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Muleman1994
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The Governor of New Hampshire is a democrat but NH requires a government issued photo ID to vote. Are you saying the democrats are discriminating against minorities, senior citizens and students?

You should have done some more reading before making a a$$ of yourself (ooops, sorry that ship sailed long ago). The original bill was passed and became law in 2012, before the current governor took office. The previous governor, also a democrat, had vetoed the bill but was overridden by a republican legislature. The republicans lost the NH House in the fall of 2012, and in 2013 the divided legislature passed a compromise that amended the law to make more forms of ID acceptable and eliminate some other requirements in an attempt to lessen the restrictive nature of the law. The current governor said the original bill was misguided and should be fully repealed, but signed the compromise because she knew a repeal would not pass both houses of the legislature. All of the members of the legislature in either house that voted against the compromise were all republicans.

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I know the history; your dancing through the political weeds is irrelevant.

The fact remains that NH has both a democrat governor and a Voter ID law.

Curiously Obama is not using his justice department to prosecute New Hampshire who’s governor is a democrat but Obama is taking North Carolina, with its Republican Governor, to court over its vote ID law.

Just another abuse of power by Obama for his political agenda and his attempt to keep vote fraud alive and well.


 
Posted : January 27, 2016 10:21 am
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here is a real life example

My mother is 86, and does not have a valid driver's license or passport. She has been living alone since my Dad passed earlier this month. My Dad was driving until mid November or December and she was totally dependent upon him.
She has no valid, gov't issued, photo ID.

Before she gets called out as a free loading senior citizen on Social Security, I will point out that she was working until well after her 79th b-day and my father was a Korean War Vet who had his own business until he was about 67.

If a photo ID was required in order to vote, she might lose her opportunity to do so.

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Does your State, as with any State that requires ID to vote, offer free IDs?

In her case, it's not the cost of the ID - it is going out to get it. Where does one go, how far does one have to travel, and how does one get there. That is where barriers can be applied.


 
Posted : January 27, 2016 10:36 am
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here is a real life example

My mother is 86, and does not have a valid driver's license or passport. She has been living alone since my Dad passed earlier this month. My Dad was driving until mid November or December and she was totally dependent upon him.
She has no valid, gov't issued, photo ID.

Before she gets called out as a free loading senior citizen on Social Security, I will point out that she was working until well after her 79th b-day and my father was a Korean War Vet who had his own business until he was about 67.

If a photo ID was required in order to vote, she might lose her opportunity to do so.

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Does your State, as with any State that requires ID to vote, offer free IDs?

In her case, it's not the cost of the ID - it is going out to get it. Where does one go, how far does one have to travel, and how does one get there. That is where barriers can be applied.

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it would depend on where your State issues IDs. Most State issue them through their Motor Vehicle Departments.

It is still easy.
1.) call your Congressman's office
2.) call your local political party's office.
3.) call your local government office.

Those offices can also answer the how to get there question or you could take your mom.

It is easy if you try. As with everything worthwhile, a little effort gets results.


 
Posted : January 27, 2016 10:43 am
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The Governor of New Hampshire is a democrat but NH requires a government issued photo ID to vote. Are you saying the democrats are discriminating against minorities, senior citizens and students?

You should have done some more reading before making a a$$ of yourself (ooops, sorry that ship sailed long ago). The original bill was passed and became law in 2012, before the current governor took office. The previous governor, also a democrat, had vetoed the bill but was overridden by a republican legislature. The republicans lost the NH House in the fall of 2012, and in 2013 the divided legislature passed a compromise that amended the law to make more forms of ID acceptable and eliminate some other requirements in an attempt to lessen the restrictive nature of the law. The current governor said the original bill was misguided and should be fully repealed, but signed the compromise because she knew a repeal would not pass both houses of the legislature. All of the members of the legislature in either house that voted against the compromise were all republicans.

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I know the history; your dancing through the political weeds is irrelevant.

The fact remains that NH has both a democrat governor and a Voter ID law.

Curiously Obama is not using his justice department to prosecute New Hampshire who’s governor is a democrat but Obama is taking North Carolina, with its Republican Governor, to court over its vote ID law.

Just another abuse of power by Obama for his political agenda and his attempt to keep vote fraud alive and well.

You obviously had no clue as to the history in NH nor in NC, and your attempt to equate the situation in NH and NC makes that abundantly clear. But you are correct that NH had a democrat gov and a voter ID law, so congrats for that.


 
Posted : January 27, 2016 11:22 am
Muleman1994
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The Governor of New Hampshire is a democrat but NH requires a government issued photo ID to vote. Are you saying the democrats are discriminating against minorities, senior citizens and students?

You should have done some more reading before making a a$$ of yourself (ooops, sorry that ship sailed long ago). The original bill was passed and became law in 2012, before the current governor took office. The previous governor, also a democrat, had vetoed the bill but was overridden by a republican legislature. The republicans lost the NH House in the fall of 2012, and in 2013 the divided legislature passed a compromise that amended the law to make more forms of ID acceptable and eliminate some other requirements in an attempt to lessen the restrictive nature of the law. The current governor said the original bill was misguided and should be fully repealed, but signed the compromise because she knew a repeal would not pass both houses of the legislature. All of the members of the legislature in either house that voted against the compromise were all republicans.

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I know the history; your dancing through the political weeds is irrelevant.

The fact remains that NH has both a democrat governor and a Voter ID law.

Curiously Obama is not using his justice department to prosecute New Hampshire who’s governor is a democrat but Obama is taking North Carolina, with its Republican Governor, to court over its vote ID law.

Just another abuse of power by Obama for his political agenda and his attempt to keep vote fraud alive and well.

You obviously had no clue as to the history in NH nor in NC, and your attempt to equate the situation in NH and NC makes that abundantly clear. But you are correct that NH had a democrat gov and a voter ID law, so congrats for that.

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More correctly NH has a democrat gov and a voter ID law.

Why is Obama taking NC to court over their voter ID law and not NH?

For the answer see Obama's political agenda.


 
Posted : January 27, 2016 1:29 pm
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here is a real life example

My mother is 86, and does not have a valid driver's license or passport. She has been living alone since my Dad passed earlier this month. My Dad was driving until mid November or December and she was totally dependent upon him.
She has no valid, gov't issued, photo ID.

Before she gets called out as a free loading senior citizen on Social Security, I will point out that she was working until well after her 79th b-day and my father was a Korean War Vet who had his own business until he was about 67.

If a photo ID was required in order to vote, she might lose her opportunity to do so.

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Does your State, as with any State that requires ID to vote, offer free IDs?

In her case, it's not the cost of the ID - it is going out to get it. Where does one go, how far does one have to travel, and how does one get there. That is where barriers can be applied.

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it would depend on where your State issues IDs. Most State issue them through their Motor Vehicle Departments.

It is still easy.
1.) call your Congressman's office
2.) call your local political party's office.
3.) call your local government office.

Those offices can also answer the how to get there question or you could take your mom.

It is easy if you try. As with everything worthwhile, a little effort gets results.

I get that the problem you might face with your mom is that she doesn't drive, or have transportation to get where she needs to get the voter ID. Have you tried to obtain an absentee ballot since if she doesn't have a means to travel to the location to get an ID, then she more than likely would not have the means to go vote on election day?


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 8:11 am
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This is a political issue.

The Democrats claim that requiring an ID to vote is the GOP’s attempt to disenfranchise minorities; meaning poor blacks. Of course those minorities have ID as it is required to get the Democrats hand-outs.

During the 2008 election, the NAACP brought in U.N. Observers to report on the fairness of that election. When the U.N. presented their report to the NAACP, that report disappeared. It seems that the first and most glaring observation was that the U.N. observers were very surprised that people were not required to show ID to vote. That was not the result the NAACP wanted.

Many States offer free IDs to anyone who cannot afford them and free transportation to get those IDs.

The Democrats also want illegal aliens, felons and dead people to vote. Proof is in the registering illegal aliens to vote using forms filled out for them to sign with the box pre-checked “Democratic Party” much in the same way the California Health Exchange did for people who signed up for Obamacare.

The Obama campaign used Acorn, a George Soros funded “community action” group to sign up voters multiple times so that they could vote multiple times. Proof was found in a fellow in Ohio who was “registered to vote” 74 times but smelling a rat, he notified the State.
When the group “True the Vote” applied for tax-exempt status, Obama had the IRS drag their feet and harass True the Vote until well after the election.

The Republicans was clean voter registration rolls and only legal American Citizens to vote.

Both political parties try to get more people to actually vote but their efforts have yielded paltry results.

The usual gibberish from the site troll.

Let's not forget the poll worker who voted multiple times for "Mr. Obama" (her phrase, not mine) since she wanted to make sure her vote counted for him.


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 8:14 am
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Serious question: How do states with voter ID laws handle absentee votes? I honestly don't know how they accomplish matching photo ID's with absentee voters.


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 11:39 am
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In her case, it's not the cost of the ID - it is going out to get it. Where does one go, how far does one have to travel, and how does one get there. That is where barriers can be applied.

How does one cash checks?.....Open bank accounts? Anything to do with the acquisition of $$$. I'll wager the question of means and distance take a backseat when money is the issue.


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 11:49 am
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Then of course there's this little tidbit:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/alabama-dmv-closings-draw-call-federal-voting-rights-probe


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 2:02 pm
Jerry
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Serious question: How do states with voter ID laws handle absentee votes? I honestly don't know how they accomplish matching photo ID's with absentee voters.

1st you have to send in an application for the absentee ballot with identifying information (drivers' license/state ID #) address, and a few questions. The information is checked against databases and if it checks out, the ballot
is sent to the address listed.
Of course, we do know of some places that in the past few elections haven't been very thorough in their checking of the voters' status, or address.


 
Posted : January 28, 2016 7:45 pm
Muleman1994
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Then of course there's this little tidbit:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/alabama-dmv-closings-draw-call-federal-voting-rights-probe

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You post a link to a far-left failed media source?
What would you think MSNBC's opinion to be?

MSNBC is not a news network. They are a liberal opinion outlet that has virtually no ratings.
After Brian Williams had to be fired by NBC for lying, the mother network has brought in a man to take over both NBC News and MSNBC to try and save both. The new guy saw the bias and has been cleaning house of far-left ideologues and racists starting with dumping Al Sharpton.


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 6:35 am
Muleman1994
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Serious question: How do states with voter ID laws handle absentee votes? I honestly don't know how they accomplish matching photo ID's with absentee voters.

1st you have to send in an application for the absentee ballot with identifying information (drivers' license/state ID #) address, and a few questions. The information is checked against databases and if it checks out, the ballot
is sent to the address listed.
Of course, we do know of some places that in the past few elections haven't been very thorough in their checking of the voters' status, or address.

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What State?
Sounds like a State that isn't working to both clean the vote rolls or getting more people to vote.

In most States any citizen can go to the State ID issuing agency (normally the motor vehicle offices) and obtain a government issued photo ID. Some call it a "walkers" ID and many have "not a driver's license" right on the face of the ID.
Many States provide theses IDs at very low or no cost for senior citizens and the mobility impaired.

The absentee ballot thing is an entirely different issue. States have tightened up the requirements and rules for absentee ballots due to fraud. Florida for example had a major problem with the democratic party who, through their operatives, encouraging their "constituents" to obtain multiple absentee ballots and file all of them. The head of a local democratic party state office was jailed for just this practice.

You mom needs to have a government issued photo ID for many reasons. Many senior citizens are in her same situation. I have seen "checklists" made available to seniors thru senior centers and senior support organizations that tell them pre-plan for this contingency, and many others, before their spouse passes. It is not a comfortable conversation for many seniors but a necessary one. Tact and patience helps.

It is amazing what you learn going through end of life planing.


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 6:53 am
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Then of course there's this little tidbit:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/alabama-dmv-closings-draw-call-federal-voting-rights-probe

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You post a link to a far-left failed media source?
What would you think MSNBC's opinion to be?

MSNBC is not a news network. They are a liberal opinion outlet that has virtually no ratings.
After Brian Williams had to be fired by NBC for lying, the mother network has brought in a man to take over both NBC News and MSNBC to try and save both. The new guy saw the bias and has been cleaning house of far-left ideologues and racists starting with dumping Al Sharpton.

And this is simply another far right post and is typical of the skewed biases that dominate the thinking of conservatism, a now failed ideology that has seen the recent discrediting of their elite over the anti-Trump National Review essays and the anti-Trump Fox News debate policies, as well as the noted failure of the entire Republican Congress due to the efforts of the freedom caucus. Paul Ryan won't be able to save any of this.

Conservatism has literally become a political movement without a head or brain which is quite evident in the way one Man with a long standing liberal record has easily taken over the party.

It is more than ironic that the party of limited government and a free and unaccountable private sector would be the first institution destroyed by the reckless policies promoting free enterprise that are central to its governing mentality. Justice Indeed!!!


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 7:18 am
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As always our little muledouche troll attacks the source (I knew he would) and not the content.

A simple Google search will find numerous stories about this event from many different sources.

I chose to use this one because I knew how he'd respond.


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 8:31 am
Muleman1994
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welfareron proves my point.
We you derive information from a far-left opinion site you continue to live in the sewer of the uninformed.

[Edited on 1/29/2016 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 9:39 am
Muleman1994
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As always our little muledouche troll attacks the source (I knew he would) and not the content.

A simple Google search will find numerous stories about this event from many different sources.

I chose to use this one because I knew how he'd respond.

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Posted : January 29, 2016 9:54 am
PhotoRon286
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As always our little muledouche troll attacks the source (I knew he would) and not the content.

A simple Google search will find numerous stories about this event from many different sources.

I chose to use this one because I knew how he'd respond.

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Says the pedophile.


 
Posted : January 29, 2016 2:59 pm
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My wife passed her citizenship test on Friday. She will (Hopefully) be sworn in on time to get registered to vote. I've recently jumped through the hoops to get my Virginia voter ID, although I've been registered the rules were changed and I spent about an hour just getting my ID, not counting the assorted documentation needed so I can vote in the March 1st primary.

I'm worried my Virginia license won't arrive on time, hence the additional ID.

The cost to the State in time and treasure since changing the law has got to be huge. Why are we expending this much energy when "A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast."?

Seems like a big waste of money to me.

Wonkblog

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation nds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

By Justin Levitt August 6, 2014

Note: This is a guest post by Justin Levitt, a professor at the Loyola Law School, Los Angeles and an expert in constitutional law and the law of democracy, with a particular focus on election administration and redistricting.

Voter ID laws are back in the news once again, with two new opinions from the Wisconsin Supreme Court late last week dealing with the state's ID requirement, which would allow people to vote only if they provide certain forms of government-issued ID. The Court made some minor changes to the law but otherwise upheld it. However, the ID requirement is still on hold pending a federal lawsuit.

Part of this litigation — and any rational debate about the issue generally — hinges on two things: costs and benefits. The costs of these sorts of laws vary, because the laws themselves differ from state to state (some are far more burdensome than others). The ostensible benefits, though, are all the same. And in addressing these purported benefits, the Wisconsin Supreme Court blew it. Twice.

First, the court cited the idea that ID laws could enhance public confidence--that is, in theory, the laws might make us feel better about elections in that they might provide some security theater. It turns out, though, that this effect is hard to spot. People in states with more restrictive ID laws don’t generally feel better about their elections than people in more permissive states. People who think elections are being stolen, and people who think they’re not, each hold on to that opinion no matter what the governing ID rules in their area. The factor that really influences whether people think the elections are fair? Whether their preferred candidates win.

Second, the court said that ID laws can help stop fraud. It then cited an example of recent fraud ... that ID laws aren’t designed to stop. Specifically, it mentioned a case in which a supporter of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was charged with 13 counts of election fraud, including "registering to vote in more than one place, voting where he didn't live, voting more than once in the same election, and providing false information to election officials," according to an account by Talking Points Memo. Wisconsin's ID law would not likely have prevented any of the alleged violations.
This sort of misdirection is pretty common, actually. Election fraud happens. But ID laws are not aimed at the fraud you’ll actually hear about. Most current ID laws (Wisconsin is a rare exception) aren’t designed to stop fraud with absentee ballots (indeed, laws requiring ID at the polls push more people into the absentee system, where there are plenty of real dangers). Or vote buying. Or coercion. Or fake registration forms. Or voting from the wrong address. Or ballot box stuffing by officials in on the scam. In the 243-page document that Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel filed on Monday with evidence of allegedly illegal votes in the Mississippi Republican primary, there were no allegations of the kind of fraud that ID can stop.

Instead, requirements to show ID at the polls are designed for pretty much one thing: people showing up at the polls pretending to be somebody else in order to each cast one incremental fake ballot. This is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens.
I’ve been tracking allegations of fraud for years now, including the fraud ID laws are designed to stop. In 2008, when the Supreme Court weighed in on voter ID, I looked at every single allegation put before the Court. And since then, I’ve been following reports wherever they crop up.

To be clear, I’m not just talking about prosecutions. I track any specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix.

So far, I’ve found about 31 different incidents (some of which involve multiple ballots) since 2000, anywhere in the country. If you want to check my work, you can read a comprehensive list of the incidents below.

To put this in perspective, the 31 incidents below come in the context of general, primary, special, and municipal elections from 2000 through 2014. In general and primary elections alone, more than 1 billion ballots were cast in that period.

Some of these 31 incidents have been thoroughly investigated (including some prosecutions). But many have not. Based on how other claims have turned out, I’d bet that some of the 31 will end up debunked: a problem with matching people from one big computer list to another, or a data entry error, or confusion between two different people with the same name, or someone signing in on the wrong line of a poll book.

In just four states that have held just a few elections under the harshest ID laws, more than 3,000 votes (in general elections alone) have reportedly been affirmatively rejected for lack of ID. (That doesn’t include voters without ID who didn’t show up, or recordkeeping mistakes by officials.) Some of those 3,000 may have been fraudulent ballots. But how many legitimate voters have already been turned away?

Correction: Justin Levitt is a professor with Loyola Law School, Los Angeles; not the Loyola University Law School.

Credible allegations of potential fraud since 2000 that might have been prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls Note: tracking the allegations — even those that may end up disproven — can help calibrate an upper bound for the actual existing fraud that ID laws would stop. I am a researcher, and so I am interested in a thorough list: if you have credible information about a specific individual whose vote was stolen by an impersonator at the polls, please tell me. Specific and credible means just that. Not — please — examples like this. And if you have information about an incident below that indicates that it was error rather than fraud, please tell me that as well.

1. May 2014: Ben Hodzic allegedly voted at the polls in the name of his brother in the Catskill School District Board of Education election in Catskill, NY.[1]
2. Nov. 2013: Mark Atlas allegedly voted at the polls in the name of someone else in the municipal election in Worcester, MA.[2]
3. Sep. 2013: At least four, and possibly 20-24, Hasidic voters in the South Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY, allegedly attempted to vote at the polls under others’ names in the municipal primary elections for New York City.[3]
4. Mar. 2013: Kristina Bentrim went to vote at the polls in the Cedar Rapids, IA, special election on a gambling referendum, and was allegedly told that someone had voted in her name.[4] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
5. Nov.2012:AvotewasapparentlycastatthepollsinthenameofAngelaCooneyin the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Angela Cooney listed as dying 4 years earlier.[5] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been

investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
6. Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Evan Dixon in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Evan Dixon listed as dying 11 years earlier.[6] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
7. Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Alejandro Guerrero in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Alejandro Guerrero listed as dying 5 years earlier.[7] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
8. 2012: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2012 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney.[8] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.
9. June 2011: Hazel Brionne Woodard apparently arranged for her son Mark James Jr. to vote at the polls in the name of his father, Mark James Sr., in the municipal runoff elections in Tarrant County, TX.[9]
10. Nov. 2010: Four ballots may have been cast in the general election in South Carolina in the name of voters who had previously died (Ed Louis Johnson, Elbert R. Thompson, Ruth Middleton, and James L. Warnock); election and law enforcement officials had insufficient information to come to a final conclusion, including two pollbook pages that were unavailable. (Law enforcement agents believe that the ballot of Elbert R. Thompson may have been confused with that of his son, Elbert Thompson.) Another 203 allegations of deceased voters in the same election were revealed to be either clerical error or coincidence.[10]
11. May2009:LorenzoAntonioAlmanza,Jr.,aftervotinghimself,apparentlycasta ballot at the polls in the name of his incarcerated brother, Orlando Almanza, in the 2009 election for the Progreso Independent School District Board, TX. (His mother, Reyna Almanza, vouched for him, and was separately convicted.)[11]
12. Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Forrest Downie in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Forrest Downie listed as dying 3 years earlier.[12] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
13. Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Scott Hagloch in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Scott Hagloch listed as dying 2 years earlier.[13] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
14. Mar. 2008: Jack Carol Crowder III allegedly impersonated his father (Jack Carol Crowder), using his father’s voter registration card at the polls in the March 2008 presidential primary election in Baytown, TX.[14]
15. Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of James E. Barnes, who died in 2006. This may (or may not) have been the result of clerical error confusing the man with his son, James W. Barnes; it is not clear whether the pollbooks were reviewed to determine whether fraud or clerical error was the cause.[15]
16. Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of Stanley Dwayne Echols, who was at the hospital and did not vote.[16] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
17. June 2007: The two contending city council candidates in a municipal runoff election in Hoboken, NJ, both reported instances in the election in which someone went to the polls and found out that someone else had voted in their place.[17] It is not clear how many instances there were, or how the candidates learned of them. It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.
18. 2007:Avotewasapparentlycastatthepollsinamunicipalbudgetreferendumin Stonington, CT, in the name of Jane M. Drury, who died in 2000.[18] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
19. Nov. 2004: Rosalie B. Simpson died in August 2004, but a vote was apparently recorded at the polls in her name in the general election in Seattle, WA.[19] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
20. Nov. 2004: Frank Sanchez, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[20] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
21. Nov. 2004: Someone apparently signed on the pollbook line for Rose-Mary G. McGee, in Albuquerque, NM, during the general election.[21]
22. Nov. 2004: Dwight Adkins, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[22] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
23. Nov. 2004: Three people at the polls in Westchester County, NY, were given provisional ballots (in New York, “affidavit ballots”) in the general election because someone had allegedly signed the poll books in their place.[23] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.
24. Nov. 2004: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the general election in Milwaukee, WI, in the name of an individual who had died several years earlier. [24] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.
25. 2004:AccordingtotheNorthCarolinaStateBoardofElections,oneallegationof impersonation fraud in 2004 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney. [25] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow- up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.
26. Jan. 2004: Mark Lacasse apparently voted at the polls in the presidential primary in Londonderry, NH, in the name of his father, who was away on business at the time. [26]
27. Nov. 2002: Shasta Nicole Crayton apparently voted in her sister’s name at the polls in the general election in Dadeville, AL.[27]
28. In several municipal, primary, and general elections in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2011, votes were cast in-person in Philadephia, PA, by an individual named Joseph Cheeseboro and by an individual named Joseph J. Cheeseborough. There is apparently some doubt about where one or both names represent real identities. [28]
29. In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 44 individuals with names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers matching the information of
individuals listed as incarcerated were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[29] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the incarceration records or the voting records.
30. In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 145 individuals with names, dates of birth, and addresses matching the information of individuals listed as
deceased were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[30] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches
represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the death records or the voting records.
31. According to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, the names, birth dates, and Social Security numbers of four “recent” voters allegedly matched the corresponding information on earlier death certificates, indicating that the votes were cast after the individuals’ deaths. It is not clear at which elections these votes were cast, or how many, if any, of these votes were cast at the polls (rather than absentee). It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.[31]
Credible allegations of impersonation at the polls since 2000 that would not likely be prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls, or attempted impersonation at the polls since 2000 that was actually prevented without a strict ID requirement
(Note: these allegations do not include other forms of fraud not prevented by a requirement to show ID at the polls, including absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, vote coercion, fraud in the tallying process, voter registration fraud, double voting, voting by nonresidents, voting by noncitizens, voting by persons disenfranchised by conviction, or fraud in the petitioning process.)
1. Nov. 2012: Linda Earlette Wells apparently voted at the polls in the general election in Germantown, MD, in the name of her mother (Beatrice Moore Wells), who had died in June 2011. She apparently used her mother’s ID to cast the ballot. [32] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.
2. Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Caitlin A. Legacki in the general election; Legacki was in Missouri at the time. However, in 2012,
New Hampshire had a requirement that voters show photo ID at the polls; officials believe that either someone showed a fraudulent ID in Legacki’s name or (according to them, more likely) that a clerical error incorrectly listed Legacki as voting.[33]
3. Nov. 2010 (and Nov. 2008): Ortencia Segura-Segura apparently voted at the polls in the name of Marisela Reyna in the general elections in Reno, NV, using a fraudulently procured Nevada driver’s license.[34] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.
4. Mar. 2010: Delores McMillian and her mother were both election officials in Dallas. During the primary election, McMillian used one other voter’s registration number to try to cast a ballot in her name. (Her mother may have used more, but died during the course of the investigation.) A fellow election worker apparently blocked the attempt.[35] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.
5. Nov.2008(andothers):MaryAnnComparinusedafakedriver’slicenseinthe name of her long-dead sister, Norma Gerrish Collins, to vote in her sister’s name in the 2008 general election in Bexar County, TX. [36] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.
6. Nov. 2008: Ricardo Lopez-Munguia apparently voted (whether absentee or in person is not clear) in the name of Gustavo Carranza-Madrigal in the general election in Escondido, CA. Lopez-Munguia possessed a fraudulent California driver’s license.[37] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.
7. May 2008: Andrea Peña was apparently recruited by mayor Omar Vela to vote in the school board election in Progreso, TX; Peña was apparently given someone else’s voter registration card and told that pollworkers would make sure there were
no problems. An election judge (more usually known as a pollworker) actually cast Peña’s ballot for her.[38] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.
8. May 2008: in the same Progreso school board election, Jessica Rangel claimed that Guadalupe Vela Sr. tried to convince Rangel to recruit a friend to vote with
someone else’s voter registration card, and claimed that “they had people that worked the election on their side.” Rangel apparently refused.[39] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.
9. Aug. 2007: Vancy Voorhies, a pollworker in Davidson County, TN, apparently voted at the polls in the mayoral election; at her ill elderly cousin’s request, she signed her cousin’s name in the pollbook (with her own initials to indicate the permission), asked her cousin how she preferred to vote, and cast the ballot accordingly.[40] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a misguided pollworker from casting invalid ballots.
10. June 2007: A homeless man was apparently paid $10 to use the name of Kevin Logan to vote in a city council runoff race in Hoboken, NJ. After a challenge by a local resident, the effort failed. [41]
11. Sept.2005:Memphis,TN,pollworkersVerlineMayo,GertrudeOtteridge,and Mary McClatcher apparently cast at least three votes at the polls in the names of others, including two in the names of dead voters, in a special election for a state Senate seat.[42] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.
12. May 2005: Macon, MS, resident Kendrick Slaughter testified that he saw Ike Brown, chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee, urging Bridgette Brown to “go in [to the precinct pollsite] and vote, to use any name, and that no one was going to say anything.” It is not clear whether Bridgette Brown did
cast a vote at the polls in the name of another, but it is clear that pollworkers under Ike Brown’s direction stood ready to commit or facilitate other forms of voter fraud.[43] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.
13. Nov. 2000: A vote was cast in the general election in Miami, FL, in the name of Andre Alismé, who had died in 1997. The voter apparently used either a passport or driver’s license and a voter registration card in Alismé’s name.[44]
[1] Jim Planck, Alleged Fraud Casts Pall Over Catskill School Vote, Daily Mail, May 29, 2014.
[2] Alli Knothe, 2 Charged with Voter Fraud in Worcester, Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Dec. 4, 2013.
[3] Max Rivlin-Nadler et al., Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox in Williamsburg, Gothamist, Sep. 11, 2013, http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php.
[4] Jason Noble, Schultz, Many Iowans Still Solidly Back Voter ID Laws, Des Moines Register, Dec. 15, 2013. [5] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.
[6] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.
[7] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.
[8] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.
[9] Dianna Hunt, Democratic Precinct Chairwoman Candidate Indicted in Voter Fraud Case in Fort Worth, Star-Telegram, Apr. 30, 2012; Indictment, State v. Woodard, Case No. 1262418 (432d Texas Dist. Ct., Dec. 1, 2011).
[10] South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Investigative File #32-12-0008, June 4, 2013, at 4-8, 380-89, 404-13, 475-76,

[11] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 162-167.
[12] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014. [13] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.
[14] Complaint, State v. Crowder, Case No. 02424794 (177th Texas Dist Ct. May 13, 2009); John Kelso, Commentary, You’re Not Fooling Me. You’re Just Impersonating a Voter, Austin American-Statesman, Mar. 3, 2011.
[15] Susan Lakes, Judge Orders New Election, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 24, 2007; Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.
[16] Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.
[17] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?,
Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007.
[18] Marcel Dufresne, Dead Voters? Probe Finds Errors in Records, Hartford Courant, Apr. 20, 2008; In the Matter of a Referral by the Secretary of the State, Conn. State Elections Enforcement Comm’n, File No. 2008- 049, Nov. 17, 2008, http://seec.ct.gov/e2casebase/data/fd/FD_2008_949.pdf.
[19] Phuong Cat Le & Michelle Nicolosi, Dead Voted in Governor’s Race, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 7, 2005.
[20] Dan McKay, Jeff Jones & Leann Holt, Tallying of Ballots Could Take Days, Albuquerque J., Nov. 3, 2004, at A1.
[21] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1; Rose-Mary McGee, Disenfranchised By Voter Impersonation, Election Journal,

Nt759Q4.
[22] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1. [23] Panio v. Sutherland, 790 N.Y.S.2d 136, 141 (2005).
[24] Milwaukee Police Dept., Special Investigations Unit, Report of the Investigation into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee, at 61.
[25] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.
[26] Young Bush Backer A Little Early, Lewiston Sun-Journal, Apr. 2, 2004.
[27] News Release, AG King Announces Felony Conviction for Illegal Voting, Apr. 9, 2004.
[28] City Commissioner Al Schmidt, Voting Irregularities: Voting Irregularities in Philadelphia County, 2012 Primary Election, July 2012, at 16-18.
[29] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May
2012, at 15, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.
[30] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May
2012, at 16, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.
[31] Transcript, Texas v. Holder, Case No. 12-00128 (D.D.C. July 9, 2012) (vol. I, A.M. Session), at 65-67
(testimony of Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram).
[32] St. John Barned-Smith, Germantown Woman Pleads Guilty to 2012 Voter Fraud, Gazette, Sept. 13, 2013, http://www.gazette.net/article/20130913/NEWS/130919454/germantown-woman-pleads-guilty-to-2012-voter- fraud&template=gazette.
[33] Steve Macdonald, How Does this Democrat Vote Fraud Grab You?, Granite Grok, Jan. 22, 2014, http://granitegrok.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-this-democrat-vote-fraud-grab-you; Vote Fraud: It, and Mistakes, Happen, New Hampshire Union Leader, Jan. 27, 2014.
[34] Application and Affidavit for Arrest, Nevada v. Segura Segura, Case No. RCR-2014-076362 (Nev. Justice Ct. Reno Township Mar. 12, 2014).
[35] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 167-172.
[36] Eva Ruth Moravec, Woman, 81, Jailed in Vote-Fraud Case, San Antonio Express-News, Oct. 5, 2010.
[37] Brandon Lowrey, Escondido: Mexican Man Admits to Voter Fraud, San Diego Union-Tribune, Sept. 7, 2012,
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Sep/07/escondido-mexican-man-admits-to-voter-fraud/.
[38] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor,
Mar. 14, 2009.
[39] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor,
Mar. 14, 2009.
[40] Michael Cass, Poll Worker Indicted in Vote Probe, The Tennessean, Dec. 20, 2007; Email from District Attorney Susan Niland to Corbin Carson, July 20, 2012, 11:49:19 AM,
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/404111/tennessee-davidson-county-with-cases.pdf.
[41] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007; Madeline Friedman, Unclear Which Agency Will Investigate Voter Fraud, Hoboken Reporter, July 8, 2007.
[42] Editorial, Seeking Justice in Memphis, The Tennessean, June 26, 2006; Gail Kerr, No Problem With Dead Voters Here, Official Says, The Tennessean, Feb. 6, 2006; Marc Perrusquia, Judge: Let's Air Details of Fraud, Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007.
[43] United States v. Brown, 494 F. Supp. 2d 440, 486 n.73 (S.D. Miss. 2007).
[44] Manny Garcia & Tom Dubucq, Unregistered Voters Cast Ballots in Dade: Dead Man’s Vote, Scores of Others Were Allowed Illegally, Herald Finds, Miami Herald, Dec. 24, 2000.


 
Posted : February 21, 2016 3:49 pm
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True or False?


 
Posted : February 21, 2016 4:10 pm
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Voter suppression isn't necessarily racist.

You post a canard Sir.

Have there been more that 31 out of a BILLION cases of fraud in the other areas you mention?

But the genie is out of the bag. I've got my card. Too bad I don't have the billions of dollars needed to get a President elected.

USA! USA! USA!

[Edited on 2/22/2016 by BillyBlastoff]


 
Posted : February 21, 2016 5:23 pm
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True or False?

__________________________________________________________________________

True.

Obama uses his justice department to go after States that want clean voter rolls and try to stop voter fraud. Of course if you would like to chat with the justice department about this, you are required to show a government issued photo ID to get into the building.

Curiously Obama does not go after States for requiring photo ID to get gov't handouts.

It is a simply matter really.

The left wants the issue. It is part of the liberal’s political playbook: class warfare, call the Republicans racist, use the poor and minorities for their votes and then forget about them, create a straw man issue solely for political gain.

The right wants a clean vote by citizens who are legally entitled to vote and to follow the law.

It would seem that it is too much a burden for some to follow the law.

[Edited on 2/22/2016 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : February 21, 2016 7:50 pm
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Seems common sense that somebody should show proof of identity.

One side of the argument is living in a world of common sense and the other side is trying to protect a segment of their voters who do not have proof of identity.


 
Posted : February 22, 2016 5:44 am
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Seems common sense that somebody should show proof of identity.

One side of the argument is living in a world of common sense and the other side is trying to protect a segment of their voters who do not have proof of identity.

You sir, pick that common sense up and get it out of here, now !

No room for that here in the Whipping Post.


 
Posted : February 22, 2016 6:05 am
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I'm not trying to protect anyone. I just don't see the problem. 31 incidents out of a billion votes? Yet this has become a priority?

Our country has a lot of problems. I wouldn't triage this problem to the front of the line.

Kind of like the Harry Reid grandstanding about the Redskin name instead of using his position in the Senate to change Columbus Day.

Yet beyond triage most States are using strange rules, like gun permit ok, State University ID not, to keep one group of voters (conservatives) easier access to the polls.

Our elections become less about voting and more about money everyday. The United States democracy is a sham.


 
Posted : February 22, 2016 6:07 am
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BACKGROUND

Voter ID laws are becoming increasingly common across the country. Today, 30 states require voters to present identification to vote in federal, state and local elections, although some laws passed during the 2011 legislative session have not yet gone into effect. In 15 of those states, voters must present a photo ID – that in many states must be government-issued – in order to cast a ballot.

Many Americans do not have the necessary identification that these laws require, and face barriers to voting as a result. Research shows, for example, that more than 21 million Americans do not have government-issued photo identification; a disproportionate number of these Americans are low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, and elderly.

Voter ID laws have the potential to deny the right to vote to thousands of registered voters who do not have, and, in many instances, cannot obtain the limited identification states accept for voting. Many of these Americans cannot afford to pay for the required documents needed to secure a government-issued photo ID. As such, these laws impede access to the polls and are at odds with the fundamental right to vote.

VOTING IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE

Nothing is more fundamental to our democracy than the right to vote.
The right to vote is protected by more constitutional amendments - the 1st, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th - than any other right we enjoy as Americans.
There are additional federal and state statutes which guarantee and protect voting rights, as well as declarations by the Supreme Court that the right to vote is fundamental because it is protective of all our other rights.

VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM

There is no credible evidence that in-person impersonation voter fraud -- the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – is even a minor problem.
Proponents of voter ID laws have failed to demonstrate that individual, in -person voter fraud is even a minor problem anywhere in the country.
Multiple studies have found that almost all cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are the result of a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.

It is important, instead, to focus on both expanding the franchise and ending practices which actually threaten the integrity of the elections, such as improper purges of voters, voter harassment, and distribution of false information about when and where to vote. None of these issues, however, are addressed or can be resolved with a photo ID requirement.

NO ELIGIBLE CITIZEN SHOULD HAVE TO PAY TO VOTE

Requiring voters to obtain an ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax. Although some states issue IDs for free, the birth certificates, passports, or other documents required to obtain a government-issued ID cost money, and many Americans simply cannot afford to pay for them.

In addition, states incur sizable costs when providing IDs to voters who do not have them. Given the financial strain many states already are experiencing, this is an unnecessary allocation of taxpayer dollars.

VOTER ID LAWS ARE DISCRIMINATORY

Voter ID laws have a disproportionate and unfair impact on low-income individuals, racial and ethnic minority voters, students, senior citizens, voters with disabilities and others who do not have a government-issued ID or the money to acquire one.
The Supreme Court has held that a state cannot value one person’s vote over another and that is exactly what these laws do.

Research shows that 11% of US citizens – or more than 21 million Americans -- do not have government-issued photo identification.

As many as 25% of African American citizens of voting age do not have a government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of their white counterparts.
18% of Americans over the age of 65 (or 6 million senior citizens) do not have a government-issued photo ID.

In 2008, it was widely reported that Indiana’s voter ID law disfranchised 12 nuns who were trying to vote in the primary election. The nuns were all over 80 years old, all had a history of voting in past elections, and none of them drove. Their limited mobility made it difficult for them to get an ID.

VOTER ID LAWS LIMIT VOTERS’ ACCESS TO THE VOTING BOOTH AND HINDER THEIR RIGHT TO CAST A BALLOT

Voter ID laws restrict access to the voting booth. Rather than erecting hurdles that prevent Americans from voting, lawmakers must ensure that every eligible voter is allowed to vote, and that every vote counts.

Any requirement that citizens show government-issued photo ID at the polls reintroduces an enormous amount of discretion into the balloting process, thus creating opportunities for discrimination at the polls against racial, ethnic and language minority voters.
Most polling places rely on volunteers or poll workers with minimal training to check in voters and answer questions. There is a risk that inadequately trained workers could turn away and disfranchise even properly documented voters.

OUR COUNTRY HAS COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE PASSAGE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT; VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE A STEP BACKWARDS

Voter ID requirements are a dangerous and misguided step backwards in our ongoing quest for a more democratic society.

Elected officials should be seeking ways to encourage more voters, not inventing excuses to deny voters the ability to cast their ballots. Photo ID requirements present substantial barriers to voting and negatively effect voter participation.

Today, 30 states have enacted discriminatory voter ID laws that prevent citizens from voting, and more states are considering such restrictive and discriminatory laws.

The history of our nation is characterized by a gradual expansion of voting rights. As our democracy continued to evolve with the right to vote has been expanded to include most Americans.

https://www.aclu.org/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet


 
Posted : February 22, 2016 6:13 am
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I'm not trying to protect anyone. I just don't see the problem. 31 incidents out of a billion votes? Yet this has become a priority?

It's only a problem when Democrats win...


 
Posted : February 22, 2016 6:37 am
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Federal Judge slaps voter fraud proponents down again:

Federal judge upholds controversial North Carolina voter ID law
Published April 26, 2016 - Associated Press

RALEIGH, N.C. – Lawsuits challenging changes to North Carolina's election law failed to show it hampered the ability of minority voters to exercise political power, a federal judge ruled Monday in dismissing the cases.

U.S. District Judge Thomas Schroeder ruled against the U.S. Justice Department, the North Carolina NAACP chapter and named voters. They sued alleging the law was passed to discriminate against poor and minority voters in violation of the Constitution and U.S. Voting Rights Act.

While North Carolina had a sordid history of freezing black voters out of the political process, the plaintiffs didn't show that the law hampered the ability of minority voters to exercise electoral politics, Schroeder said.

The plaintiffs "failed to show that such disparities will have materially adverse effects on the ability of minority voters to cast a ballot and effectively exercise the electoral franchise" as a result of the 2013 state law, Schroeder wrote. That argument was made more difficult after black voter turnout increased in 2014, he wrote.

"There is significant, shameful past discrimination. In North Carolina's recent history, however, certainly for the last quarter century, there is little official discrimination to consider," Schroeder wrote.

The law's most public feature is that it requires voters who appear in person to cast ballots to show an accepted form of photo identification like a driver's license, a passport or a military ID. The law also eliminated same-day voter registration and ended out-of-precinct voting.

The number of early-voting days was cut while the early-voting hours available stayed stable.
Same-day registration and out-of-precinct provisional voting will end after the June 7 primary elections for North Carolina's congressional seats.

Much of the discussion during the trial focused on whether voter fraud exists in North Carolina. That was one of the arguments lawmakers used in including the photo ID requirement, which took effect during last month's primary elections.

Advocates who filed the lawsuits condemned the decision.

"This is just one step in a legal battle that is going to continue in the courts," said Penda Hair, an attorney representing the NAACP. The law "targets the provisions that once made North Carolina among the states with the highest turnout in the nation. This progress was especially clear among African-American and Latino voters, who came to rely on measures like early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct provisional ballots to ensure their voices were heard.

Gov. Pat McCrory, a Republican seeking re-election this year, focused on the voter ID provision of the law in praising the ruling. McCrory was a defendant in one of the lawsuits.

"Common practices like boarding an airplane and purchasing Sudafed require photo ID and thankfully a federal court has ensured our citizens will have the same protection for their basic right to vote," McCrory said in a prepared statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/26/federal-judge-upholds-controversial-north-carolina-voter-id-law.html?intcmp=hplnws


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 7:17 am
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I'm not trying to protect anyone. I just don't see the problem. 31 incidents out of a billion votes? Yet this has become a priority?

That's 31 too many. Don't support voter fraud, support voter ID laws.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 10:24 am
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I'm not trying to protect anyone. I just don't see the problem. 31 incidents out of a billion votes? Yet this has become a priority?

Just like the NC bathroom law this is a politically motivated solution looking for a problem.


 
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