I think this CNN blurb cites the falsehoods that have led adults who previously expected to be vaccinated to now refuse - creating the likelihood of not reaching herd immunity.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/28/health/covid-vaccine-myths-debunked/index.html
I don't think religious objections should've been included. A person's religious beliefs vis-a-vis refusing medical treatment has been upheld by SCOTUS & other courts for more than 100 years. These are people who would never have gotten vaccinated so it's disingenuous to cite that as a change in the trend toward non-vaccination.
@cyclone that is good.
In reading down through I read this:
Second, it's a mistake to think everyone who wants a vaccine can just get one. "Some people are on cancer chemotherapy. They can't be vaccinated -- they depend on the herd to protect them," Offit said.
Just passing along one note, one of my very best friends is currently undergoing chemotherapy. He was advised and has received both his covid vaccine doses. He took his chemo pills concurrently with his firsta and second dose vaccinated window. Seemed like he did well. Some versions of chemotherapy might be different so I'm not trying to make a blanket statement, but do know of this one case.
My wife has an auto-immune disease and she takes some medication that is also used to treat lymphoma. Her doctor told her to stop taking the medicine for 2 weeks after the first vaccine dose, but told her if being off that medicine created more problems for her, she could take it again. Being off the medicine made her miserable so she started taking it again and continued taking it through the second dose. The doctor told her that was ok. I honestly think they didn't really know. Maybe some medicines can negatively react with the vaccines that they know of, but I'm not sure they really know either way.
One of my anti-vaxer friends told me the other day he will be getting the vaccine next month or early June. He had covid earlier this year and he said that he wants to have his anti-bodies protect him and then will get the vaccine later and in theory, assuming he is protected now (antibodies) waiting to get the vaccine until later will mean he is then protected later and won't require a booster or additional shot as soon as somebody who got the vaccine earlier. Seems to make sense.
As for the religious objection, I agree on one hand that is is legitimate, but on the other hand, I also feel that some people use that as more of a convenient excuse rather than an actual strongly held reason of their faith.
@cyclone that is good.
In reading down through I read this:
Second, it's a mistake to think everyone who wants a vaccine can just get one. "Some people are on cancer chemotherapy. They can't be vaccinated -- they depend on the herd to protect them," Offit said.
Just passing along one note, one of my very best friends is currently undergoing chemotherapy. He was advised and has received both his covid vaccine doses. He took his chemo pills concurrently with his firsta and second dose vaccinated window. Seemed like he did well. Some versions of chemotherapy might be different so I'm not trying to make a blanket statement, but do know of this one case.
My wife has an auto-immune disease and she takes some medication that is also used to treat lymphoma. Her doctor told her to stop taking the medicine for 2 weeks after the first vaccine dose, but told her if being off that medicine created more problems for her, she could take it again. Being off the medicine made her miserable so she started taking it again and continued taking it through the second dose. The doctor told her that was ok. I honestly think they didn't really know. Maybe some medicines can negatively react with the vaccines that they know of, but I'm not sure they really know either way.
One of my anti-vaxer friends told me the other day he will be getting the vaccine next month or early June. He had covid earlier this year and he said that he wants to have his anti-bodies protect him and then will get the vaccine later and in theory, assuming he is protected now (antibodies) waiting to get the vaccine until later will mean he is then protected later and won't require a booster or additional shot as soon as somebody who got the vaccine earlier. Seems to make sense.
As for the religious objection, I agree on one hand that is is legitimate, but on the other hand, I also feel that some people use that as more of a convenient excuse rather than an actual strongly held reason of their faith.
agree- immunosuppressed patients need the vaccine more
I also agree about the religion thing. If someone's religion is truly against getting the vaccine, well, OK then.
I have yet to hear any reasonable explanation of why getting a vaccine would be against a religion.
The religious belief doesn't have to be reasonable; the objector just has to believe it as part of their recognized/established faith (Christian Science, Jehovah's witness not Joe's Chapel of Snake Oil membership of 5).
Sorry about your friend & your wife's health.
I will spare everyone my opinion of "news," but I did think this link highlighted some of the most common objections.
One standing objection to any vaccine for children is the fear that it causes autism.
There's a private 300-student school in Miami requiring teachers NOT to get vaccinated because the owner/leader says "there are thousands of cases where being around vaccinated harm unvaccinated" but doesn't provide the source of that info. When the school year ends, teachers are free to be vaccinated but there may not be a place for them on next year's faculty.
@cyclone that is good.
In reading down through I read this:
Second, it's a mistake to think everyone who wants a vaccine can just get one. "Some people are on cancer chemotherapy. They can't be vaccinated -- they depend on the herd to protect them," Offit said.
Just passing along one note, one of my very best friends is currently undergoing chemotherapy. He was advised and has received both his covid vaccine doses. He took his chemo pills concurrently with his firsta and second dose vaccinated window. Seemed like he did well. Some versions of chemotherapy might be different so I'm not trying to make a blanket statement, but do know of this one case.
I'll second this, I'm not sure where this misinformation came from. I know someone, in his 70s, going through chemo as well and he received his COVID vaxx.
I got my 2nd Moderna vax on Monday. Arm felt sore and was a little wonky on Tuesday, but otherwise fine. Wife was sick most of Tuesday from the same.
Next step is to buy plane tickets to see my parents.
I will spare everyone my opinion of "news," but I did think this link highlighted some of the most common objections.
Right, I thought it was fine...but you know me, I like picking up on things in the news and bringing it here anyway.
The religion angle is interesting. I saw a couple of segments on the news about people of certain faiths (I want to say Jewish was one of them) wondering if it was okay for them to get vaccinated and still adhere to their beliefs. Some went to their religious leader asking if it was okay due to what was in the vaccine and if it was okay to have it put into their bodies. In both of the stories I saw, it was considered acceptable given the circumstances. I thought that was definitely a good thing.
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Last evening my wife and I went to our local watering hole to watch The Kentucky Derby. Ran into this guy that used to work there. He joined us. And the virus topic came up. He's shaking hands with guys, hugging, etc. He hadn't seen these people in a long time. His Na Na (grandmother) came up in the conversation. She is 95. Hasn't been vaccinated. He can't go see her. I asked what the big deal was since he was. He told me hadn't been. Well no wonder your mother won't let you see her. 🙄
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I was in a local CVS yesterday to pick up a prescription and the pharmacy technician asked me if I wanted a shot. I don't need one. There were two people there. Nobody waiting. Not exactly what to think of this. Is it good because it is available? Or is it bad because people can get it and aren't doing so?
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I just was at CVS this morning as well! There was one person there for his shot. Their signage said appointments were still necessary and no walk ups were accepted. I thought that might be changing as it has in other vaccination sites.
We've just seen what is happening and about to happen. The supply of vaccine hasn't just caught up but it has exceeded the US demand.
From NYT:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Saturday about 146.2 million people have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, including about 103.4 million people who have been fully vaccinated by Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine or the two-dose series made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna.
Providers are administering about 2.55 million doses per day on average, about a 25 percent decrease from the peak of 3.38 million reported on April 13.
2.5 million per day is still a lot of people if you project that out, but that number is going to keep decreasing.
I think about 25% of our population is 18-and-younger. And only ages 16 and up right now are authorized to get vaccinated currently. So even if every single adult 19-older got vaccinated in this country, we'd only be at 75%.
Canada is holding the 300,000 of their J&J vaccines that just arrived due to a possible quality control issue with the Baltimore plant the vaccines were produced at.
So, most businesses in NY/NJ/CT will be allowed to re-open 5/19. The NYC subway will resume 24/7 service on 5/17. Types of businesses specifically cited are restaurants, offices, retail stores, theaters, museums, barber shops, amusement parks, & gyms and fitness centers. No mention of entertainment venues like arenas & bars.
OK. The businesses still have to abide by 6' social distancing so they can open w/no capacity cap except the size of their space. I can see that working for a 5-story dept store but not a restaurant. Broadway has said it isn't going to open because it's not when shows typically open & they'd have to space out the audience & skip seats (which makes it about 50% capacity on a tight margin business anyway).
I'm mystified as to how the subway is going to enforce 6' social distancing or maybe that's exempt as an essential service.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds in NYC. Summer is when everyone who can escapes the city & if given the option, my guess is employees will work from home at least until fall 2021. I assume some agency is tracking how many business who can re-open actually do, the number of employees returning to the office especially since large corps. have already downsized their space, and other economic impacts. I'm sure the # of cases & duration will be tracked.
I'm mystified as to how the subway is going to enforce 6' social distancing or maybe that's exempt as an essential service.
I have thought the same thing about Chicago, especially the trains. One line in particular given those who typically take them. Unless they direct people to certain cars on a train I have no idea how it could be done. And our transit agency would have to staff a lot more and they won't want to pay for that. Plus two lines go directly to the airports and drop you off there.
To a lesser extent the buses as well, since they pretty much go to every corner of the city. As offices open more people are going to go downtown which are the buses I take. Not to stereotype but I would assume more business people will have gotten vaccinated.
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Agree re transportation for both buses & trains. Chicago, like NYC, isn't as industry-divided as one might think. There are colleges, hospitals, museums, & retailers mixed in w/office buildings and residential buildings so its entirely possible for unvaxxed & vaxxed to take public transportation together. I also don't see NYC riders taking direction from anyone who isn't a transit cop. If they're late, they're going to squeeze in before the door shuts. I feel a bit like I did after 9/11 - people didn't become more polite; they were tense and hostile.
Agree re transportation for both buses & trains. Chicago, like NYC, isn't as industry-divided as one might think. There are colleges, hospitals, museums, & retailers mixed in w/office buildings and residential buildings so its entirely possible for unvaxxed & vaxxed to take public transportation together. I also don't see NYC riders taking direction from anyone who isn't a transit cop. If they're late, they're going to squeeze in before the door shuts. I feel a bit like I did after 9/11 - people didn't become more polite; they were tense and hostile.
I rarely take trains unless I have to. I had forgotten all about people cramming into them at the last second in both NY & Chi. I usually only take one going to Comiskey Park and people do cram in there but it might not be that populated for now.
And you are correct in both cities, there are certainly a lot of people that aren't in sky scraper offices. There is a university district if you will in downtown Chicago. There are discussions and disagreements about mandating students be fully vaccinated before allowing them onto campus. I'm sure some young people just won't do it.
And of course hospitals. There is one route I take and almost everyone on it is a Northwestern Hospital nurse. One would think they would be safe but who knows? I've read stories about people working in the medical field that won't get vaccinated.
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I've flown for the 4th time since covid started and when you talk about cramming into subway and train cars - now cramming into plane aisles is back. This was the first flight where the crew didn't tell people to stay seated until the row in front of you stands up and leaves. This flight, as soon as the plane gets to the gate all these people were in a hurry to get into the aisle, stand and wait. Things returning to normal on planes.
My wife just sent me a message. She got her second shot at Wrigley Field. Pfizer. She went in early and was out in 10 minutes. I think it's still National Guard but they are leaving Chicago soon.
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Been over 24 hours since my wife's second dose of Pfizer and she is fine. Although she did whine about her arm being sore. I told her to quit belly aching. I thought women were supposed to have a high pain tolerance. 😛
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Ohio is planning on lifting covid restrictions like mask mandates in public and capacity restrictions June 2nd.
In your wife's defense, there is a reportable side effect called "Covid Arm" where the arm - not the injection site - swells significantly & turns red. It often happens 5 -9 days after the injection & almost always in women. So, don't give her a hard time yet...
In your wife's defense, there is a reportable side effect called "Covid Arm" where the arm - not the injection site - swells significantly & turns red. It often happens 5 -9 days after the injection & almost always in women. So, don't give her a hard time yet...
Well what fun is that? 😛
Last night she told me they are planning on opening her building where she works, a 35 floor office building in downtown Chicago by the end of June. Maybe after The Fourth of July. I don't recall how many people work there but it is in the thousands. I told her there is no way in hell everyone is going to come back, which she acknowledged but since they manage the building they have to be prepared for it. Plus one of her colleagues had COVID and she can't work with her anyway.
It's a major undertaking. A lot of people lost jobs: maintenance, engineers, cleaning, security for sure. Parking attendants. The restaurants in the building. The building I was in has to bring in more security officers to patrol. This building is huge, 57 stories. There are six security officers during the day, three overnight. Gotta call people back if you can.
That Ohio decision seems a tad ambitious to me.
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That Ohio decision seems a tad ambitious to me.
Not as soon as some states and sooner than others. Originally doing this was going to be tied to a certain case rate, which our state is on pace to hit the originally stated goal of 2-week average 50 cases per 100,000 people. We aren't there, not sure if we will be there on June 2nd, although there has been dramatic improvement as there has been in other states. Over the last 4 weeks, the case rate per 100k has gone from 185, 155, 140 to 122. For further reference that figure was 444 early February and peaked at 845 mid December. So it's heading in a good direction, not sure if the drops will continue at this rate and get to 50 - either way now state mandated masks and capacity restrictions will be removed June 2nd.
CDC has changed their mask guidance for fully vaccinated people, no more masks needed inside or outside! Some will say they took too long, others are thinking 'whoa are we really ready for that'. I think the time is right. Removal of the mask wearing guidance really feels like a big turning of the corner.
That Ohio decision seems a tad ambitious to me.
Not as soon as some states and sooner than others. Originally doing this was going to be tied to a certain case rate, which our state is on pace to hit the originally stated goal of 2-week average 50 cases per 100,000 people. We aren't there, not sure if we will be there on June 2nd, although there has been dramatic improvement as there has been in other states. Over the last 4 weeks, the case rate per 100k has gone from 185, 155, 140 to 122. For further reference that figure was 444 early February and peaked at 845 mid December. So it's heading in a good direction, not sure if the drops will continue at this rate and get to 50 - either way now state mandated masks and capacity restrictions will be removed June 2nd.
CDC has changed their mask guidance for fully vaccinated people, no more masks needed inside or outside! Some will say they took too long, others are thinking 'whoa are we really ready for that'. I think the time is right. Removal of the mask wearing guidance really feels like a big turning of the corner.
Illinois is basically doing the same thing. While it seems like a step in the right direction, I am somewhat leery. In Chicago, they just started what they are calling a "bridge" phase to get things back to normal. Opening things up more. I don't have to wear a mask but I still do. And what about the people you just come in contact with? You don't know if they are vaccinated. Another thing with them opening things in restaurants and bars is that in my experience, many of the workers there don't care or just plain won't get vaccinated. And they are obviously dealing with the public.
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I've been riding this friend of mine for weeks (months?) to get vaccinated. She said she wouldn't do it. Yesterday out of the blue she said I would be proud of her. I asked her why. She showed me the sticker they gave her. She went to Wrigley Field and got her first shot. I told her I was proud. 😀
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I looked up Chicago White Sux tix for tonight. Interesting, they raised the prices big time and now require you to prove you are fully vaccinated or you can't get in. I went to a game at Wrigley a month ago and wasn't tested. And I know several people that have already been to Comiskey and they didn't have to do anything. I don't understand if we are loosening restrictions they would require this.
I have my card so I don't care but I find it somewhat puzzling.
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I looked up Chicago White Sux tix for tonight. Interesting, they raised the prices big time and now require you to prove you are fully vaccinated or you can't get in. I went to a game at Wrigley a month ago and wasn't tested. And I know several people that have already been to Comiskey and they didn't have to do anything. I don't understand if we are loosening restrictions they would require this.
I have my card so I don't care but I find it somewhat puzzling.
The guidelines just changed this week so that vaccinated people are free to be unmasked which means someone has to determine if the patrons are vaccinated or not. That burden seems to fall on the venue. I can see why a business of any kind may not want the hassle of enforcing that so they just permit vaccinated attendees & notify purchasers in advance of the policy. They still have the hassle of turning non-vaxxed away which would predictably lead to confrontations.
OR it's a way to encourage people to get vaxxed.
I thought the White Sox were setting aside a certain section for vaccinated people - not the whole park .... maybe that's where all the available tickets are ...
Yeah, I agree with both of you. They might be charging more to get into a vaccinated seat. Seems kind of odd. And making people pay more? I don't know about that.
And perhaps they are doing things to encourage folks to get their shots. They are doing a bunch of things in Chicago to get people to do it. They even have buses going to disenfranchised neighborhoods to shoot people up. Maybe like nebish mentioned about incentivizing people to get their shots.
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