He must’ve meant when I was reckless selfish juvenile or all of the above 😛 😛
To clarify, the chancellor of the state college system Recommended the closure of those two campuses - the VSCS will consider the recommendation on Monday
What "disingenuous veiled swipe" are you posting about? I don't see a disingenuous swipe of veiled or unveiled attempt at any Democrats.
Cold you please point it out, excuse me, post and quote the part that you are posting about?"Please stay on the line, your request is very important to us, but I am afraid it can not be answered at this time"
Catch this yet? Awesome.
What "disingenuous veiled swipe" are you posting about? I don't see a disingenuous swipe of veiled or unveiled attempt at any Democrats.
Cold you please point it out, excuse me, post and quote the part that you are posting about?"Please stay on the line, your request is very important to us, but I am afraid it can not be answered at this time"
Catch this yet? Awesome.
Spot on and directly to the point!
What "disingenuous veiled swipe" are you posting about? I don't see a disingenuous swipe of veiled or unveiled attempt at any Democrats.
Cold you please point it out, excuse me, post and quote the part that you are posting about?"Please stay on the line, your request is very important to us, but I am afraid it can not be answered at this time"
Catch this yet? Awesome.
Very good, thanks.
Florida opened Jacksonville Beach for 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours later. It is too soon to safely open Florida. June 1st is when Florida could safely ease restrictions. Doing it sooner can cause a surge in cases.
For Georgia the safe time is June 15.
For Louisiana May 18.
For NY it is June 1.
For Rhode Island June 8th.
For Vermont May 4th.
For California May 18th.
For Illinois May 25th.
For Washington DC June 8th.
South Dakota June 22.
Https://covid19.healthdata.org
Scroll down find your state.
If you do not believe it look at the real time day to day numbers for your state.
Here we have 10,000 + new cases each day. Another week or two we will have a quarter of a million cases identified.
What "disingenuous veiled swipe" are you posting about? I don't see a disingenuous swipe of veiled or unveiled attempt at any Democrats.
Cold you please point it out, excuse me, post and quote the part that you are posting about?"Please stay on the line, your request is very important to us, but I am afraid it can not be answered at this time"
Catch this yet? Awesome.
Sic 'em Bill.
Typical news show at 6:30 pm.
Lead off with deaths of victims.
Show empty streets and stores.
Show empty stadiums.
Show graph of stock market decline.
Have 10 minutes of news on other subjects.
Show empty school, with sideline of no graduation exercise for the seniors.
Show unemployment numbers (make sure you use the "possibly up to" phrase).
Talk about shortages of food and supplies at grocery stores (obligatory photo of empty paper aisle).
Close out with video of mass burials of unclaimed bodies (leave out figures of just how many died of Covid-19)
Remind viewers "We're all in this together."
Then comes on Family Feud, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, or a local show about the Pandemic.
The commercials by companies wanting us not to use their products are driving me nuts.
The commercials by companies wanting us not to use their products are driving me nuts.
I keep asking the tv, "How does the pizza get cut if it goes from oven to box to me?"
Also, how do you "triple churn" palm kernel oil ?
Come on 32103, Stephen? Stephen doesn't have a disingenuous bone in his body.
i'm not one to hide. he's posted something along the lines before of "i know i'll have tomatoes thrown at me for this, but....", or "....attack away at me for saying this, but....", playing the victim in advance! Stephen likes to take passive aggressive swipes at the left - the horrors happening in liberal Vermont, while congrats to red Florida for being imbeciles! Just state your point without the theatrics.
Straight comedy - wasn’t thinking about the right or left, liberal or conservative in mentioning beach reopenings/ski area closures etc -
re playing the victim/posting w/a lot of theatrics etc - same thing (was laughing)
your posts are from the galactic beyond bro - maybe amping up, not easing back on whatever you’re taking will get you more grounded/connected......?
Am not hiding anything or posting w/some subliminal ulterior motive/meaning in mind
I thought we were having a good discussion for a while
There was some disagreement but it was ok, non toxic
Oh well
Don’t want any tomatoes thrown at me:o
Know I’ll be attacked for this:P
But toxic the last few posts are not - funny as heck they are! 
- esp at 11:26 am, 12:39, & 6 pm
Also disingenuous, oh wait..... 😮 😉
[Edited on 4/19/2020 by Stephen]
I find this to be incredibly irresponsible, selfish, juvenile, and reckless. Your disingenuous veiled swipes at Democrats are sad to watch....why do you hide your contempt?
[Edited on 4/18/2020 by Skydog32103]
do you think these guys are selfish, irresponsible,juvenile, and reckless?
www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/ny-nj-connecticut-reopening-marinas-coronavirus
Vermont does have the appearance of a good 7-day average.
First businesses allowed to reopen
Scott’s pledge to deliver relief to the newly unemployed came as he made the first step Friday toward reopening the Vermont economy.
Scott said he’s lifting his business-closure order, effective April 20, for one- to two-person crews in “construction or similar trades,” so long as those workers maintain six feet of distance and wear cloth masks. He said he’s also lifting the closure order for “low- or no-contact professional services,” including appraisers, realtors and attorneys.
Scott is also allowing farmers markets to open, beginning May 1. He said the Agency of Agriculture is in the process of drafting operational regulations for markets that choose to open.
“I don’t want to give the false impression that this is going to be the traditional farmers market where people come and gather and it’s an event,” Scott said. “This isn’t an event. This will be to get your goods and move along.”
Case growth rate slows
Scott said the decision to slowly “open the spigot” on the Vermont economy is driven by new modeling projections that suggest Vermont has turned the corner on new coronavirus cases.
The governor said the daily growth rate in new cases has averaged less than 4% over the past 12 days, and Commissioner of Financial Regulation Michael Pieciak said the seven-day average rate fell from 9% last week to 2% this week.
“It is now safe to assume that we have reached our peak for new confirmed cases in Vermont,” Pieciak said.
Pieciak warned, however, that despite the decline in new cases, “the virus is considerably more pervasive in Vermont than it was at any other point during the pandemic.”
“And relaxing our social distancing measures too quickly, or not continuing our collective good work of following those guidelines and following the hygiene guidelines, has the potential to quickly jolt us back toward a much more severe scenario,” Pieciak said.
Scott said that specter of another spike in COVID-19 cases will loom over Vermont’s economy “for the foreseeable future.” And he said Vermonters shouldn’t expect a return to the status quo until scientists develop a vaccine for the new coronavirus.
“Because the reality is, until we do have the vaccine, we’re still going to have this virus among us,” Scott said.
Texas does not yet appear ready by that graph, yet is moving forward with loosening restrictions and allowing some business activity and outpatient surgeries to begin.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/17/texas-reopening-greg-abbott-coronavirus/
The President said that Montana will start to lift restrictions Friday, Montana Gov says plan not finalized.
Trump also listed Idaho, North Dakota and Ohio as making plans for a phased reopening May 1st...Idaho might be close. North Dakota and Ohio appear to need more time. May 1st might reveal that, but unsure how they can predict that looking at the current data on case count alone.
It's good that a few states are opening, as much as I completely disagree with it. Let them be the nation's petri dish. Nice weather coming combined with people getting beyond impatient and low on deneros, not to mention their constitutional right to infect my ass makes for turbulent times indeed.
Have at it, just stay out of RI. Thanks.
Great News! As part of opening up America again, some beaches have reopened in Florida - up here, Gov Scott said employees w/little contact w/others, like construction etc can return to work next week
Radio reported a festive scene at the beaches, w/people running, fishing, swimming, cycling, beach combing in a welcome return to normal -
outdoors & fresh air is the way to say goodby to the pandemic & that was just the atmosphere at the beaches, where there was no hint of virus worry, people interviewed on the radio saidPeople have cabin fever, they’re itching to get outdoors just like every spring - this fever is the right antidote & must be accommodated - ‘social distancing’ can be too
The economic devastation continues tho - three colleges in the Vt state system are set to consolidate next year, closing two of the campuses, in Lyndon and Johnson
Lyndon has basically been closed this spring, like many others - its campus is high on a hill w/spectacular views, dynamite riding trails etc - it’s major bad news, just as the closure of the ski areas & everything else has been - it’s been chilly & the ski conditions would have been sweet - what will become of those campuses, heaven only knows
Good wknd, all the best
I find this to be incredibly irresponsible, selfish, juvenile, and reckless. Your disingenuous veiled swipes at Democrats are sad to watch....why do you hide your contempt?
[Edited on 4/18/2020 by Skydog32103]
What "disingenuous veiled swipe" are you posting about? I don't see a disingenuous swipe of veiled or unveiled attempt at any Democrats.
Cold you please point it out, excuse me, post and quote the part that you are posting about?
Otie getting a tad sensitive. I think Vegas is basically shuttered.
This afternoon's news- Covid rapidly becoming #1 killer in US
It is claimed we need 2-3x the testing capacity
ID LOVE For the country to be open for so many reasons
I’m concerned about people ill with things that have nothing to do with this virus not getting the health care they need, in addition to the obvious financial concerns
I just don’t think most of the country is close to getting there
Need more swabs and reagents!
There is the question of when to "re-open" things, but maybe a deeper question is, how many will actually rejoin? It's not like everyone is going to charge right back in and the economy will be magically restored in 24 hours.
This experience has changed and challenged quite a few things long considered as normal. From online shopping (is this what finally kills off big box retail?) to working at home (is the M-F 8-5 paradigm in danger?), the adaptive nature of people forces change in all kinds of ways.
I've had several conversations with others in healthcare supply chain and we can't help but wonder if the just-in-time purchasing/distribution model is pure folly and left us on a large scale woefully under-prepared by getting so far away from stockpiling.
3M has a virtual international monopoly on premium masks as well as PAPR systems and hoods. Never knew just how dominant they are until the last six weeks...is that a good thing?
I get the political back and forth and I do get the nationalism (although I don't always understand it in the rational sense...it's a virus, it doesn't care where you were born). Until there's a vaccine, we will likely be spending the next year playing hotspot whack-a-mole. Everyone isn't going to stay home, anyway.
There is the question of when to "re-open" things, but maybe a deeper question is, how many will actually rejoin? It's not like everyone is going to charge right back in and the economy will be magically restored in 24 hours.
This experience has changed and challenged quite a few things long considered as normal. From online shopping (is this what finally kills off big box retail?) to working at home (is the M-F 8-5 paradigm in danger?), the adaptive nature of people forces change in all kinds of ways.
Agreed. This experience has accelerated trends that were already in the works - the death of brick/mortar retail, traditional work hours that were already moving toward work/life integration, & a shift toward tele-medicine.
Will everyone re-join? Workers w/a choice will exercise that choice if there is some workable solution re antibody tests, vaccines, & treatments. The workers who don't have a choice are going to continue to do what they're doing. The income/economic class gap widens.
Not everyone is eager to socialize under the new normal. Are people going to dash off to restaurants where they have to have their temperature taken before entering, limited to parties of 4, served by waiters in full PPE, & choose food from disposable menus? What's the restaurant owner to do if patrons don't comply w/new protective regulations? What about movie theatres? concert halls? sports? Although they're entertainment, they're businesses & no one is in business to lose money.
Trump seems to be acting under the assumption that a switch will flip & everything will be "normal." I don't think he's right.
There is the question of when to "re-open" things, but maybe a deeper question is, how many will actually rejoin? It's not like everyone is going to charge right back in and the economy will be magically restored in 24 hours.
This experience has changed and challenged quite a few things long considered as normal. From online shopping (is this what finally kills off big box retail?) to working at home (is the M-F 8-5 paradigm in danger?), the adaptive nature of people forces change in all kinds of ways.
I've had several conversations with others in healthcare supply chain and we can't help but wonder if the just-in-time purchasing/distribution model is pure folly and left us on a large scale woefully under-prepared by getting so far away from stockpiling.
3M has a virtual international monopoly on premium masks as well as PAPR systems and hoods. Never knew just how dominant they are until the last six weeks...is that a good thing?
I get the political back and forth and I do get the nationalism (although I don't always understand it in the rational sense...it's a virus, it doesn't care where you were born). Until there's a vaccine, we will likely be spending the next year playing hotspot whack-a-mole. Everyone isn't going to stay home, anyway.
From the hip, 50% might come back. I think recreation has a chance to return with the economic benefits that come with that. Hiking gear, rafting stuff, ATVs, fishing. Traveling by car has a chance to come back. But many other areas are going to be damaged, some perhaps irreparably so.
Just in time delivery has definitely hampered availability of things we need.
There are going to be flare ups.
Most of us have done a good job listening to the advice. We’ve come a long way and flattened the curve. We need to stick it out a little longer. Let supplies build up, let cases go down. Then we need to be careful, smart and incremental.
My youngest son is an EMT in NY with AMR.
He just told me he's heading to work in NYC for two weeks, probably leaving Friday or Sunday.
I thought my sleepless nights ended when my daughter came home from the Army.
Not everyone is eager to socialize under the new normal.
"The new normal"
How about a couple of examples detailing exactly what this means?
Not presumptive, no theories.....
My youngest son is an EMT in NY with AMR.
He just told me he's heading to work in NYC for two weeks, probably leaving Friday or Sunday.
I thought my sleepless nights ended when my daughter came home from the Army.
That is scary. A parent's worries are never over. Brave good kids you got there.
I'm proud of him but scared as all hell about this.
He'd been off three weeks waiting on test results after transporting numerous covid patients in Syracuse.
He's feeling fine, likely it was sinus issues and work related exhaustion.
Not looking forward to the next month.
His sister survived a roadside bomb in Baghdad.
She had armor on her humvee, he's got nothing but cloth and soap.
"The new normal"How about a couple of examples detailing exactly what this means?
I used CA Gov. Gavin Newsom's description of what restaurants will look like in my post. Almost any description of what businesses/workplaces will look like start w/taking the temperature of anyone who enters - worker or customer - until accurate antibody tests are available to everyone. So far, one hasn't even been developed.
We're living the new normal now in essential businesses that are open - workers (everyone from pharmacists to stockers) wearing masks, customers wearing masks, tape or painted markers at 6 foot intervals in check-out lines and in store aisles to remind customers to stand apart from each other, employees wearing disposable gloves, greeters stationed at the entrance wiping off the handle of a shopping cart w/a disinfectant wipe before allowing a customer to use it, & a refusal to accept cash.
Traditional campus-based colleges (e.g., BU) are planning to continue online-only classes for summer & fall semesters. Some state universities w/multiple campuses have announced plans to consolidate at the main campus & close satellite campuses.
Movie studio executives are in negotiations to forego theatrical releases for what would've been summer/Christmas blockbusters in favor of streaming services. Film festivals where movies garner prestigious awards & industry buzz that heightens earnings are being cancelled. Future production is halted while negotiations for financing w/o theatrical distribution are made. The Oscars organization is considering combing the Academy Awards for 2020 & 2021. The trade associations for movie distribution are forecasting grim financial projections much as brick/mortar retailers are shuttering stores in favor of online only sales & are addressing the issues of taking the temperature of every movie-goer prior to admission, disinfecting theatres after every show which would require staggering screenings, cordoning off seating in 6 foot intervals, eliminating concessions, & hiring security to enforce seating policies.
I get my examples from major newspapers & trade publications. The business sections of major newspapers regularly publish articles w/industry executives as to how their businesses would change when re-opening while there is no antibody testing, vaccine, or treatment for COVID-19.
“we are weeks if not months away from having sufficient test capacity.”
Former CDC director Tom Friedman.
He also says if we were only testing the highest priority people we would need 3x more tests. We currently are at 150,000 per day a little over a million a week. If we try to test really extensively it would be 10-20x that.
With people making those statements, my question becomes, what is possible? I’d like to know, let’s just say we lived in fantasy land and everyone approved of our federal governments response and actions. Can somebody actually say that we can get to 10-20 million tests per week? And when could we even be at that point? Summer? Fall? 2021? What kind of country are we going to have by then?
It’s one thing to say what we need to be doing from people not responsible for actually doing it. It’s another thing to explain how the shortage of supplies and components gets where it needs to be in order to conduct 40-80 million tests per month. We test 4 million currently.
I’m sure the next great test and break through is right around the corner. But how long can we wait around for it? Indefinitely? And indefinite government rescue programs. Sounds like indefinite depression.
Let’s see where states case count, or better ratio positive/negative results go. If they are coming down over a 1-2 week period of time, we need to prepare for phase 1.
"The new normal "How about a couple of examples detailing exactly what this means?
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"until accurate antibody tests are available to everyone"
California is nuts, absolutely nuts and the keyword here is "until" making this temporary.
a refusal to accept cash.
Have not witnessed this
Traditional campus-based colleges (e.g., BU) are planning to continue online-only classes for summer & fall semesters.
"Planning to continue"..temporary
Movie studio executives are in negotiations to forego theatrical releases for what would've been summer/Christmas blockbusters in favor of streaming services. Film festivals where movies garner prestigious awards & industry buzz that heightens earnings are being cancelled. Future production is halted while negotiations for financing w/o theatrical distribution are made. The Oscars organization is considering combing the Academy Awards for 2020 & 2021. The trade associations for movie distribution are forecasting grim financial projections much as brick/mortar retailers are shuttering stores in favor of online only sales & are addressing the issues of taking the temperature of every movie-goer prior to admission, disinfecting theatres after every show which would require staggering screenings, cordoning off seating in 6 foot intervals, eliminating concessions, & hiring security to enforce seating policies.
if your vision of a "new normal" means Hollywood and its "influence" might be going away or diminishing, I could not be happier about that.
while there is no antibody testing, vaccine, or treatment for COVID-19.
Once again, it appears you are describing temporary scenarios that in no way insinuate permanent change.
"While covid19 is rampant, I have been asked to stay at home..."Is this the new normal"?
Or a temporary fix?
“we are weeks if not months away from having sufficient test capacity.”
Former CDC director Tom Friedman.
He also says if we were only testing the highest priority people we would need 3x more tests. We currently are at 150,000 per day a little over a million a week. If we try to test really extensively it would be 10-20x that.
With people making those statements, my question becomes, what is possible? I’d like to know, let’s just say we lived in fantasy land and everyone approved of our federal governments response and actions. Can somebody actually say that we can get to 10-20 million tests per week? And when could we even be at that point? Summer? Fall? 2021? What kind of country are we going to have by then?
It’s one thing to say what we need to be doing from people not responsible for actually doing it. It’s another thing to explain how the shortage of supplies and components gets where it needs to be in order to conduct 40-80 million tests per month. We test 4 million currently.
I’m sure the next great test and break through is right around the corner. But how long can we wait around for it? Indefinitely? And indefinite government rescue programs. Sounds like indefinite depression.
Let’s see where states case count, or better ratio positive/negative results go. If they are coming down over a 1-2 week period of time, we need to prepare for phase 1.
I have to add that the whole country and its need to get back to living & business and their readiness to best judge when that should happen, should not and can NEVER be based solely on what is happening in New York or any other huge American city.
