Are Black people only ok when they entertain you, bigV?
What in the hell are you referencing here?
Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.
He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.
someone will have to explain to me how firing tear gas into a peacefully demonstrating crowd conveys law and order
Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.
He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.
Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.
I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/cnntv-bishop-trump-photo-op/index.html
Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.
I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.
Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.
I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.
Of course, she was & I think it looked like he was holding the Bible upside down. Could be wrong.
CNN did a split screen that showed the peaceful, distanced, mask-wearing walkers being gradually corralled by riot gear clad officers of some sort & some tear gas thrown while he was speaking in order to clear the path for his "solemn" walk. It was all very reality TV produced. Unless there were unreleased photos, Trump wasn't "seen" going into his bunker. As I said, I don't watch because it's either faked or old news.
Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.
To quote a NYPD detective friend, no one hates a bad cop more than a good cop. Why not have a civil conversation, take a knee, give a hug?
Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable.
I think we have to ask ourselves as a country at what point peaceful demonstration and rioting become two separate behaviors, it is brutally clear we the people and the media are incapable of making this distinction. At what point are we finally going to draw the line and ask when is enough is enough? I don't care if they are "outside agitators" or whether they have traveled from one state to another. It matters not to me if they think violence is the answer because peaceful protest has not work, I don't care. I do not want to hear it. Violence and the destruction of property, infrastructure, the looting of businesses, arson, whatever convenient reason or excuse you attach to it, I don't want to hear it. We are better than this. Standing in the middle of a freeway and stopping hard working Americans from conducting their daily lives which includes the travel to and from their places of employment is unacceptable. it is bullshit. I am not saying people do not have the right to protest, I am asking what has happened to common sense. What has happened to being held responsible for your own actions. What has happened to caring about your neighbor, your fellow human beings. I don't want to hear about people being so angry that this is their only option. Bullshit, you always have a choice.
A "peaceful protest"?....Was not the Church in question SET ON FIRE THE NIGHT BEFORE.....please spare us this one sided, one size fits all, blame Trump for everything bullshit and try a new tack, one where we "blame" and hold accountable people we trust to act like adults and citizens but instead CHOOSE to commit violent acts? This crap is going to put him right back in the White House because the armchair quarterbacks who continue to cast condemnation on the President and anyone who dares show support for him have learned nothing from 2016. Absolutely nothing.
I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.
Recent comments? I've been waiting for that to happen since Day 1 of his term.
I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.
Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.
No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.
So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.
Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by stormyrider]
I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.
Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.
So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.
Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.
Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.
^This.
I have covered a couple of ORGANIZED protests (videographer).
ORGANIZED: Participants meet up before the "march" and discuss (among other things) responsible demonstration etiquette. Marching rows were organized with responsible types on each. Anybody seen throwing things or generating violence got removed.
Lastly, and to be completely fair: I watched (CNN) last night as Trump was making his "death and destruction" threats and comments. Some of the video was from right up front where the protestors and police came face to face. I could not help but notice that some of the protestors were right up in the officers faces. They seemed to be TRYING to bait the officers into violence. I am completely sympathetic with the movement (BLM - police violence towards people of color, etc.) - but I cannot sympathize with these types. In my opinion, they do nothing to further the cause.
Some of the video was from right up front where the protesters and police came face to face. I could not help but notice that some of the protesters were right up in the officers faces. They seemed to be TRYING to bait the officers into violence. I am completely sympathetic with the movement (BLM - police violence towards people of color, etc.) - but I cannot sympathize with these types. In my opinion, they do nothing to further the cause.
So, directly to my earlier point.....Are these people mentioned above "protesting"?
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?
Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?
Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]
Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?
Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)
Op-Ed: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Don’t understand the protests? What you’re seeing is people pushed to the edge
By Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
May 30, 2020What was your first reaction when you saw the video of the white cop kneeling on George Floyd’s neck while Floyd croaked, “I can’t breathe”?
If you’re white, you probably muttered a horrified, “Oh, my God” while shaking your head at the cruel injustice. If you’re black, you probably leapt to your feet, cursed, maybe threw something (certainly wanted to throw something), while shouting, “Not @#$%! again!” Then you remember the two white vigilantes accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery as he jogged through their neighborhood in February, and how if it wasn’t for that video emerging a few weeks ago, they would have gotten away with it. And how those Minneapolis cops claimed Floyd was resisting arrest but a store’s video showed he wasn’t. And how the cop on Floyd’s neck wasn’t an enraged redneck stereotype, but a sworn officer who looked calm and entitled and devoid of pity: the banality of evil incarnate.
Maybe you also are thinking about the Karen in Central Park who called 911 claiming the black man who asked her to put a leash on her dog was threatening her. Or the black Yale University grad student napping in the common room of her dorm who was reported by a white student. Because you realize it’s not just a supposed “black criminal” who is targeted, it’s the whole spectrum of black faces from Yonkers to Yale.
You start to wonder if it should be all black people who wear body cams, not the cops.
What do you see when you see angry black protesters amassing outside police stations with raised fists? If you’re white, you may be thinking, “They certainly aren’t social distancing.” Then you notice the black faces looting Target and you think, “Well, that just hurts their cause.” Then you see the police station on fire and you wag a finger saying, “That’s putting the cause backward.”
You’re not wrong — but you’re not right, either. The black community is used to the institutional racism inherent in education, the justice system and jobs. And even though we do all the conventional things to raise public and political awareness — write articulate and insightful pieces in the Atlantic, explain the continued devastation on CNN, support candidates who promise change — the needle hardly budges.
But COVID-19 has been slamming the consequences of all that home as we die at a significantly higher rate than whites, are the first to lose our jobs, and watch helplessly as Republicans try to keep us from voting. Just as the slimy underbelly of institutional racism is being exposed, it feels like hunting season is open on blacks. If there was any doubt, President Trump’s recent tweets confirm the national zeitgeist as he calls protesters “thugs” and looters fair game to be shot.
Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant, because it’s always still in the air.
So, maybe the black community’s main concern right now isn’t whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive. Or whether being black means sheltering at home for the rest of their lives because the racism virus infecting the country is more deadly than COVID-19.
What you should see when you see black protesters in the age of Trump and coronavirus is people pushed to the edge, not because they want bars and nail salons open, but because they want to live. To breathe.
Worst of all, is that we are expected to justify our outraged behavior every time the cauldron bubbles over. Almost 70 years ago, Langston Hughes asked in his poem “Harlem”: “What happens to a dream deferred? /… Maybe it sags / like a heavy load. / Or does it explode?”
Fifty years ago, Marvin Gaye sang in “Inner City Blues”: “Make me wanna holler / The way they do my life.” And today, despite the impassioned speeches of well-meaning leaders, white and black, they want to silence our voice, steal our breath.
So what you see when you see black protesters depends on whether you’re living in that burning building or watching it on TV with a bowl of corn chips in your lap waiting for “NCIS” to start.
What I want to see is not a rush to judgment, but a rush to justice.
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?
Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by porkchopbob]
Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?
I would say neither situation is ideal, and I don't believe anyone else has said so either, I would say that protesting a man's horrific and unjust murder, and fighting for Your God given human rights is a bit more substantial and important, than pair of beer soaked boobs???...........Peace.....joe
Nothing will change. Not one thing.
Very classy KaC.
Maybe George and the Lincoln Project will come to the Bishop's defense or possibly just George at the dinner table.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kellyanne-conway-lashes-bishop-condemned-174626489.html
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?
Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)
"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...
You can not have it both ways
Nothing will change. Not one thing.
Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]
The National Guard didn't shoot people in the face in St. Paul. They stood back ensuring the safety of the peaceful protesters showing it is possible. Meanwhile in NYC. Mayhem continues. 700 arrested last night. Governor Cuomo rejects Trump's offer of military assistance saying there are 38,000 NYPD they can handle it. Rioting and looting show otherwise. Ivropa Europa, a nazi group from Berlin is impersonating Antifa online to gather people to go and be unpeaceful.
Http://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-describes-packs-youths-running-143919657.html
They loot the stores then run as fast as they can to escape bring caught.
Comments: The Governor wants to start reopening the city June 15th. HOW? He should let the military clean this up or is it going to take a mob going to Albany to impress the seriousness of this upon him. Him and the Mayor can blame each other, meanwhile problem persists. Try it the Trump way, let the military deal with these hoodlums. They are hurting peaceful protesters and businesses.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]
Nothing will change. Not one thing.
Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]
Gee, how touching.
Nothing will change.
It will get worse.
"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...
You can not have it both ways
Right, right it's us. You've conveniently paraphrased two disparate headlines and oversimplified two issues so you can dismiss them. And then call everyone "hypocrites" for because we don't apply "one size fits all" (where did I hear that phrase before?) to every situation or issue. So either you don't know what that word means, or don't really understand the larger issues at hand. Or choose not to because that's easier.
Nothing will change. Not one thing.
Lieutenant Colonel Sam Andrews of the National Guard in St. Paul, Minnesota.
[Edited on 6/2/2020 by gina]
Gee, how touching.
Nothing will change.
It will get worse.
It might but it doesn't have. Change is possible. The greater enemies are the new world order minions who want to hand everyone over to the anti-Christ. I'm not gettin' on the bus. I know how the protesters feel, they are willing to die and be martyred to stop the foot and knee of oppression on their people. I feel the same way I'm just further up the road in the same war we are all in, though most have not realized it yet.
CNN last week, "How are we going to stop these sunbathers on California Beaches"?...CNN this week, Masses in the streets walking arm in arm. Good for them"
What hypocrisy?Only if you can't separate the two contexts that you have grossly oversimplified and can only apply "one size fits all" issues.
Has stopping the Killer Virus taken a back seat to "Peaceful protest"?
Media outlets continue to cover how the protests and gatherings complicate COVID-19. Maybe read more than just the headlines (also I couldn't find any CNN article that used the line you cited)
"Complicate"..Don't make me laugh any harder than I have been. You guys here are such opportunistic hypocrites, the whole lot of you. Just last week there was such a big to do about the wearing of masks and the importance of social distancing because of loved ones who were sick and your feelings about the possibility of infecting others with a simple cough. Now, we see throngs marching, "protesting" & looting, with my guess being that most are wearing masks simply because they don't want their images captured as they steal and burn. "Social distancing" while you protest?...Not the least bit important anymore, yesterday's news. Why it's far more important to show up with sign and let people know you are not a racist than it is to focus on the possibility of the virus re-surging...
You can not have it both ways
“Protesting” in quotes.
Guess the right to assemble isn’t a part of the “Constitution.”