We are a racist society.
That doesn't mean we are all racists
But you can't deny that it's better to be born white (and Christian) in the US than black or brown
I can go running around my town and no one will be afraid or think I'm a potential perp. No one will shoot me
If I get pulled over for speeding or a busted headlight a cop isn't going to look in my car for weapons, drugs, or stolen property
If I ask someone to put their dog on a leash that person isn't gonna call the cops say I'm threatening to rob them.
There is systemic racism, and we have been putting up with it
The cops are part of society. They aren't all racist, they are just like us.
[Edited on 6/17/2020 by stormyrider]
and the problem with being anti rascist is...????
The real issue is systemic racism.
Just when you think and hope that P.C. is dead and gone...POOF!...here it is.
"systemic racism"...No. It goes to the individual. Hate is a choice. This Cop is the problem, he alone.
And the hundreds of examples of it happening over and over again, Is that all on one officer?
Absolutely not. The hundreds of examples are on each and every individual officer who made that choice.
Funny how the guy who is such a free thinker and unashamed of his views is ashamed to admit to himself that he holds racist view points
That view is yours, I do not share it.
The "system" is what enables it.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
The "system" is what enables it.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
Try to keep up. The officer in Minneapolis had been operating this way since at least 2006 and the system he was operating within continued to cover for him. I guess you ignored the articles about Bob Kroll, the known white supremacist who allowed racist practices to flourish during his time as Chief of Police in Minneapolis, who is now the Chief of the Police Union that is still trying protect those practices. If this was not a systemic problem the individual would have been fired at least a dozen times over the past 15 years.
And oh yeah the guys that murdered a woman in bed while serving a warrant for someone who was already apprehended? They're still working on administrative reassignment 3 months after they murdered Breonna Taylor and left the incident report mostly blank. Sound like a systemic problem or just those three guys?
This isn't a matter of opinion, systemic racism in law enforcement institutions is very real.
I think you know that and support it, but for whatever reason you like to make the same tired argument over and over to keep up the facade that you aren't racist, everyone else is just too PC. Seriously you'd seem more like the renegade, Walkin Tall badass you like to try to portray if you just came out and said "Maybe I am racist so what?"
The "system" is what enables it.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
Try to keep up.
Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.
The "system" is what enables it.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
Try to keep up.
Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.
Thats funny, you just did.
Is opening with "try to keep" anything like opening with "typical"?
The "system" is what enables it.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
Try to keep up.
Do not ever for one moment think that I will ever respond to anything you've written with a condescending opening like that.
Thats funny, you just did.
Is opening with "try to keep" anything like opening with "typical"?
Yeah, I laughed as well.
What do you call what happened in GA last week on Election Day other than systemic racism?
We say- go out and vote. Then they don’t have enough machine or polling places in Black neighborhoods.
It’s not one guy making a choice
What do you call what happened in GA last week on Election Day other than systemic racism?
We say- go out and vote. Then they don’t have enough machine or polling places in Black neighborhoods.
It’s not one guy making a choice
Perfect example.
There have been ongoing efforts over the years to reduce / restrict voting. It is targeted. Georgia may be the poster state for this. Look no further than the previous election for governor there.
The "system" is what enables it. Like in GA where Arbery's murder by a former cop and his son would have been ignored by the system (the initial investigators and prosecutor) had it not been called out and on video.
Typical, find a reason that places the responsibility and the blame on anyone and everything but the person who chose to commit the act in question. It must be the system, because there is NO WAY we can fault the individual for his own behavior!
Nope. No where did I not blame the people who shot Arbery - stick to what was written and stop with the straw man. It's a really bad habit of yours.
How do you call the investigators who allowed Arbery's murderers to go uncharged "everyone and anyone"? Damn right they are also at fault, that's the definition of a system enabling violent racists. Typical you'd ignore the point and conveniently edit it out.
Systematic racism is a documented fact.
[Edited on 6/17/2020 by porkchopbob]
This Cop is the problem, he alone.
Exactly! The problem is HE alone, and the thousands of other cops over the decades, but HE alone!
If this type of killing has been perpetrated by thousands of cops over the years, would your "P. C." gripe go away if we referred to it as a "pattern" rather than a "system"? It wouldn't change anything for the dead people.
The individual cop who is supposedly the only problem, had three other cops standing around him shrugging their shoulders as he killed a person. The F.O.P. leader in Minneapolis says that those four cops did nothing wrong. I get phone calls weekly from the F.O.P. asking for money to be donated to defend cops who end up in court.
They literally have a system. They know there is a structure that will make any interaction they have with the justice system different from most other people.
Whether you believe in the idea of "The System", or not, there is undeniably a system.
In Indianapolis a few years back, there was a cop who hit two motorcyclists (killing one, permanently injuring the other) while driving drunk during the daytime ON DUTY. He was suspended with pay while he case went through court and the F.O.P. was paying for all of legal costs. This went on for over a year (paid suspension included). He was only finally dropped when he got arrested for drunk driving again, before noon on a weekday. This guy got a year paid vacation after killing someone. Their system was working for him.
So yes, the individuals are the problem. The cops who kill people are individuals. The good cops who don't out the bad cops are individuals. The police union officials and lawyers who defend bad cops are individuals. The judges who give cops leniency are individuals. The people who donate to the F.O.P. are individuals. The people who say that black people wouldn't get killed by cops if they hadn't done something wrong are individuals. However, it's a pretty weak argument that the behaviors of all of these individuals doesn't amount to a system
[Edited on 6/17/2020 by adhill58]
Adhill, I agree with you 100%. I was being sarcastic. I should be more clear, and stop messing around. My bad.
I wasn't going at any specific poster or post, just grabbed one that referenced the concept.
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damond/
Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damond/Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.
The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.
It will be interesting indeed to see how rhe murder trials of these two policemen - the Atlanta cop & Derek Chauvin’s - unfold
Fundamental police reform is the same as gun reform - impossible to attain
Same thing every time - something bad happens, reforms strengthening background checks/increased penalties are called for/implored by people -
....to no avail/meaningful reforms
Defunding/dismantling the police is a bad idea imo
So would having a national police force (know it hasn’t been mentioned) - that’s one step short of anarchy
[Edited on 6/17/2020 by Stephen]
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damond/Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.
The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.
Sorry to let your racist balloon be pierced, but you did read that there had recently been a trial of a policeman about an on duty death? that police officer wasn't black either.
Did you see what organizations protested his arrest? Would those same organizations protest the arrest of a white officer killing a black civilian?
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.
The big thing was that there have been several deaths by police shootings in Minneapolis in the past few years.
Reforms have been implemented, police chiefs dismissed, mayors unseated, and it seems on the face of it, nothing has really changed.
One last piece of information for you.
Did you know that Floyd and Chauvin both worked as site security at a nightclub? The person reporting they had "friction" between them seems to keep changing his mind if that was true.
My question concerns the Floyd family saying that the treatment Chauvin gave Floyd was more personal than it was defensive. Is it possible Floyd had something on him and he thought this was a convenient time to take care of a 'possible problem"?
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.
What are you trying to say? Who are these so-called "psychologists" that determine whether someone is fit or not fit to be a police officer?
The Board of Examiners for Minneapolis I would believe. They are the ones who determine mental standards for law enforcement officers.
I believe these are the same ones BoytonBrother used to hold up as the ones to determine who should own firearms.
Let's see the reaction of when a black Minneapolis cop killed an unarmed white female, who was the person that called the police when she thought someone was being raped.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine-damond/Such a different reaction about the arrest, trial, and conviction.
The difference is that when a black cop killed a white person, he was convicted and sent to prison. When white cops (or vigilantes) kill black people, they are typically free to go about their lives as if nothing happened.
Sorry to let your racist balloon be pierced, but you did read that there had recently been a trial of a policeman about an on duty death? that police officer wasn't black either.
Did you see what organizations protested his arrest? Would those same organizations protest the arrest of a white officer killing a black civilian?
Noor, just like Chauvin, was under IA investigation for several complaints, one was pointing a firearm at a female who he pulled over for a minor traffic violation. Several psychologists had already expressed concern about his mental state not being conducive to being a police officer.The big thing was that there have been several deaths by police shootings in Minneapolis in the past few years.
Reforms have been implemented, police chiefs dismissed, mayors unseated, and it seems on the face of it, nothing has really changed.One last piece of information for you.
Did you know that Floyd and Chauvin both worked as site security at a nightclub? The person reporting they had "friction" between them seems to keep changing his mind if that was true.
My question concerns the Floyd family saying that the treatment Chauvin gave Floyd was more personal than it was defensive. Is it possible Floyd had something on him and he thought this was a convenient time to take care of a 'possible problem"?
Yes I read the article Jerry. The NAACP was protesting because - as the article states - "Noor’s case marks the first conviction out of 179 police-involved deaths in Minnesota since 2000." If all of the 178 other police officers had been appropriately and fairly charged, tried, and possibly convicted, the NAACP would not have been protesting. I feel like you are suggesting that the NAACP was trying to say that black cops should be able to kill white women - which is not what they were saying.
The article goes on to further back up my point in mentioning that in NYC, one of the only police officers convicted of wrongfully killing someone was of Asian heritage, not white.
I am not really sure what you were trying to get at by posting this article, but what the article says is that white cops don't get punished when they do exactly what an African American cop and an Asain American cop get sent to prison for doing.
And yes, I am aware of the conspiracy theory that suggests, "If George Floyd and the cop who murdered him previously knew each other, this cannot be an example of systemic racism". Gina already posted that one a while ago. It's a pretty disgusting way to try discount the real experiences of victims of police violence and racism in general. Has InfoWars put one out to explain away the Ahmaud Arbery case? It's more of a comforting bedtime story for fragile white people who want to continue their denial of the history of the last 400 years in North America.
For the sake of argument let's say ok there is no systemic racism.
The inarguable fact remains, blacks are pissed off.
Therefore you feel blacks are mad for no reason. And if people are mad for no reason they are idiots, or worse.
Is that where the "no systemic racism" point leads?
I think it's crazy to be arguing that 400 years of systemic racism has disappeared somehow.
Partially, the "systemic" part makes it something that touches everyone and makes the uncomfortable questions start popping up around the folks who are not skinheads, but still don't want things to change really. It's hard to admit that you have advantages that some other people may not have and that, even though you know it's unfair, you don't want to lose those advantages.
We have seen the reactions...
My old friend, an activist for many years says 'think globally, act locally'. People have to get involved and run candidates at all levels of town, county, state governments. Even Ross Perot said if you can't get a candidate on the ballot because of the local political parties you can do it by referendum. Get the public constituent signatures needed and do it that way.
I remember years ago on a Sunday night in the rain a black man was introducing himself to people at a store. He wanted to be elected for the State Assembly. He was a former, retired cop. I told him you want to deal with those muckety-mucks I'll send you to Albany you got my vote. He won the election and still serves. He's done a lot. He had new ideas and had seen what did not work. That's what you got to do.
Get new people in there. THEY can change things.
[Edited on 6/18/2020 by gina]
We all know the trials in the killing of George Floyd will be riveting and I believe country changing.
This is interesting background on one of the cops, J. Alex Keung [pronounced King]
Https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-officer-detained-george-floyd-183500869.html
The trial of that Chicago teen will merit monitoring also
Tall for his age, was in store checkout line, young kids were behind him, asked him how tall he was, they’d like to be that tall too etc......store employee said no hostility or aggression
The group of 3 kids left store - were walking down the street when this tall 19 year old ran up behind them & pulled out a gun, murdering 2 of them on the spot - 3rd escaped
A father-son team participating in a charity bike ride in England were viciously attacked by police in a case of mistaken identity
Current ‘viral’ - I call it vile, bile - video circulating of white trash screaming racial epithets at new neighbors in Michigan
......the racial climate is so hateful & horrendous - these stories are alarmingly common
In the George Floyd death
The pre-trial hearing date is 9-11-20.
The trial date 3-8-21.
The Minnesota Attorney General. Keith Ellison's office is leading the prosecution. The Police Chief, Medaria Arredondo said George Floyd's death was murder not lack of training.
The lawyers for the cops wanted separate trials, Judge Peter A. Cahill has not granted that yet. Chauvin remains in jail with $1 million bail set, as does Officer Thao with $750,000 bail. The other two, Lane and Keung are out on bail.
Derek Chauvin's wife in her divorce wants both their houses, vehicles, bank retirement and investmentaccounts.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/07/07/derek-chauvins-wife-wants-both-of-their-homes-in-divorce/
She better hope he doesn't get out on bail.
Stop me if you've heard this one?
White police officer who killed black man accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill cheated on his taxes for years, owes $40,000, falsely claimed FL residency.
https://minnesotareformer.com/2020/07/22/derek-chauvin-charged-with-tax-fraud-in-washington-county/
The inarguable fact remains, blacks are pissed off
I believe there are way more white people "pissed off" than there are Blacks. I think the voices that resound about the myths of "White Privilege" are coming from the white community. I believe the majority of the black populace believes in personal responsibility and the advantages that come with working hard and making your own life better, both for themselves and the community in which they live. I believe the phrase "Systemic racism" was coined by liberal professors in Universities all over this country based on whatever "facts" suit their agendas. And finally, if the cries of racism are rooted in the judgement of all based on the actions of some, how racist is the phrase "White privilege"?...Is there economic privilege?..Most certainly there is, but to believe that label should be extended to everyone in this country because of their skin color?
Please, find a new moniker with a better fit.
Stop me if you've heard this one?
White police officer who killed black man accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill cheated on his taxes for years, owes $40,000, falsely claimed FL residency.
https://minnesotareformer.com/2020/07/22/derek-chauvin-charged-with-tax-fraud-in-washington-county/
Which again brings up the question as to why Floyds' family think there is more to the actions Chauvin took in a simple arrest.
Could it be that he was trying to take care of a "personal problem"?
A look into a cops salary is pretty interesting. There is a lot of extra income or side monies to be made in addition to the salary and benefits and OT.
From the article:
The Chauvins underreported more than $464,000 and owe nearly $38,000 in taxes, interest and penalties, including a fraud penalty, according to the charges.
I may need a new accountant, as my tax liability is in the same ballpark but with making way, way less income. Something is not adding up with this 40 k penalty. Seems like chump change from hiding 500k in income.