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PorkchopBob
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I'm not sure why it's still going. The meetings Trump is taking is borderline conspiring. Attempting to delegitimize the US government by any means has been Trump's card since questioning Obama's place of birth. If he continues this talk after all states have certified the results and his legal means are up (or completely unrealistic), such talk and conspiring essentially becomes sedition against the elected administration.

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Posted : November 20, 2020 3:59 pm
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stormyrider
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yep

the problem is for some strange reason a ton of people still believe his lies. Supposedly, 70% of all who voted for him think that the election was rigged. This is totally ruining our democracy and isn't going to get better just by having Biden in the WH - the right wingnuts will still be spouting lies and people will believe them

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Posted : November 20, 2020 5:18 pm
Chain
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The most recent number I heard is that 50% of Republicans think the election was stolen...So that’s what, 30% of the population?  So in essence, the die hard Trump cult...Certainly NOT even close to the majority of Americans...

I was aghast to hear my father in law earlier today, who voted for Trump, say it’s time he shut up, quite whining, and concede the fact that he lost the election...Something I thought he’d never say...To me that means Trump is now losing even some of his die hard supporters.

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Posted : November 20, 2020 5:40 pm
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MartinD28
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Posted by: @2112

The more this drags on, the more I'm enjoying watching Trump lose over and over. I'm even starting to feel sorry for the brainwashed masses that keep grasping at straws. It's long over. It wasn't even close. If there was real evidence of widespread voter fraud, not speculation and conspiracy theories, the Trump lawyers would have presented it in court.

Why feel sorry for those brainwashed? They are complicit as much as the GOP House and Senate members. They voted for continuation of what we saw the last 4 years. Doesn't that make you wonder what their constitution is, and I don't mean The Constitution.

Every day that drags on and more Covid deaths rise, hospitals fill up, more & more cases, and Trump makes a mockery of democracy, the brainwashed root him on. Are these the people you want to associate with, break bread with, and have "intellectual" discussions on democracy with?

 

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Posted : November 20, 2020 7:19 pm
2112
 2112
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Posted by: @martind28
Posted by: @2112

The more this drags on, the more I'm enjoying watching Trump lose over and over. I'm even starting to feel sorry for the brainwashed masses that keep grasping at straws. It's long over. It wasn't even close. If there was real evidence of widespread voter fraud, not speculation and conspiracy theories, the Trump lawyers would have presented it in court.

Why feel sorry for those brainwashed? They are complicit as much as the GOP House and Senate members. They voted for continuation of what we saw the last 4 years. Doesn't that make you wonder what their constitution is, and I don't mean The Constitution.

Every day that drags on and more Covid deaths rise, hospitals fill up, more & more cases, and Trump makes a mockery of democracy, the brainwashed root him on. Are these the people you want to associate with, break bread with, and have "intellectual" discussions on democracy with?

 

I feels sorry that they lack the intellectual capacity to grasp the obvious. Our democracy is at stake here, and for them to not understand that makes me sad. As for Trump, I have no sorrow for him. His legacy will continue to be tarnished, and it couldn't happen to a bigger lowlife and failure.

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Posted : November 20, 2020 7:45 pm
gina
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From Rudy Giuliani's press conference yesterday, it is not over.  They expect to file challenges/and or lawsuits in more states such as New Mexico, Arizona, Virginia.

Rudy's son was just diagnosed with Covid, as was Don Jr., who is quarantining.

While most are looking forward to the holiday next week, Dec. 11th could be another government  shutdown. Nancy, Chuck Schumer, Mitch, and Mnuchin are back in negotiations to try to avoid that.

 

 

 

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Posted : November 20, 2020 7:51 pm
PorkchopBob
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we will just have to wait and see what Trump’s new lawyer has to say!

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Posted : November 20, 2020 8:00 pm
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Stephen
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At what point is an election fully finally legally & unconditionally decided - what ‘august body’ or legal/political entity decides that

Does the president have the legal legs to at least postpone Inauguration Day pending the outcome of his appeal

Why do I think the Nat’l Guard will be on high alert on that day

 

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Posted : November 20, 2020 9:05 pm
2112
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Posted by: @stephen

At what point is an election fully finally legally & unconditionally decided - what ‘august body’ or legal/political entity decides that

Does the president have the legal legs to at least postpone Inauguration Day pending the outcome of his appeal

Why do I think the Nat’l Guard will be on high alert on that day

 

The Electoral College meets on December 14 to vote. Congress counts the votes on January 6. The Constitution specifies that the president's and vice president's terms end on noon of January 20. There is no provision to delay the Inauguration Day. On that day, the president's term is over. If somehow the winner is still disputed, then based on the line of succession outlined in the Constitution, The Speaker of the House will become president (Nancy Pelosi unless the House elects a new one).

 

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Posted : November 20, 2020 9:36 pm
2112
 2112
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Posted by: @gina

From Rudy Giuliani's press conference yesterday, it is not over.  They expect to file challenges/and or lawsuits in more states such as New Mexico, Arizona, Virginia.

Rudy's son was just diagnosed with Covid, as was Don Jr., who is quarantining.

While most are looking forward to the holiday next week, Dec. 11th could be another government  shutdown. Nancy, Chuck Schumer, Mitch, and Mnuchin are back in negotiations to try to avoid that.

 

 

 

It is over. Trump can continue to fool himself and his brainwashed masses, but he is 1 for 29 in court cases, and the judges and becoming more and more angry that Trump's lawyers have offered zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Speculation and conspiracy theories are not evidence, and even if most of them were true, they aren't even close to being enough votes to overturn the election. Plus he would need major victories in at least 4 states. Zero chance of that happening. The one court case he did win was only a delay, and even if we throw out all the votes in question it would make zero difference in the outcome. 

At this point, Trump is making of mockery of our democracy. Unless he can provide undeniable PROOF of enough voter fraud in at least 4 states by next week, he should resign and not even wait until January 20.

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Posted : November 20, 2020 9:49 pm
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Stephen
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Posted by: @2112
Posted by: @stephen

At what point is an election fully finally legally & unconditionally decided - what ‘august body’ or legal/political entity decides that

Does the president have the legal legs to at least postpone Inauguration Day pending the outcome of his appeal

Why do I think the Nat’l Guard will be on high alert on that day

 

The Electoral College meets on December 14 to vote. Congress counts the votes on January 6. The Constitution specifies that the president's and vice president's terms end on noon of January 20. There is no provision to delay the Inauguration Day. On that day, the president's term is over. If somehow the winner is still disputed, then based on the line of succession outlined in the Constitution, The Speaker of the House will become president (Nancy Pelosi unless the House elects a new one).

 

Thanks for that info 2112, glad to know it👍

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Posted : November 21, 2020 5:27 am
Chain
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Another loss for Trumpty Dumpty...Federal judge tosses out latest Trump suit in PA...Time to pack your bags Little Donnie.

 

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Posted : November 22, 2020 6:50 am
stormyrider
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Many leaders of the GOP are either actively supporting Trump's allegations or are silently complicit with them, whether they believe it or not. They are putting one person's demands over the votes. This is not democracy.

He went to court. His cases have been thrown out. Under oath, all of the witnesses said they had no evidence of fraud. His attorneys, in court, said there was no evidence of fraud. On TV and the internet, his attorneys tell a different story. Even Tucker Carlson said there is no evidence of fraud. He invited Trump's attorney to come on his show and display the evidence and she denied. Of course, when Carslon called her out the "right wing media' was all over him.

The GOP establishment ought to be ashamed. 

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Posted : November 22, 2020 10:29 am
gina
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Trump has a new PAC Save America. He's not done yet.  

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Posted : November 24, 2020 8:55 pm
2112
 2112
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Posted by: @gina

Trump has a new PAC Save America. He's not done yet.  

Nothing but another way to rob the wallets of his followers one last time on the way out the door. 

The 49ers have a better chance of overturning the Superbowl results in court than Trump has for overturning the will of the voters in 4 different states.

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Posted : November 24, 2020 9:25 pm
Chain
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Another smack down for Trump...PA Supreme Court tosses out latest appeal from the Trump train....

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Posted : November 29, 2020 10:22 am
2112
 2112
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I find it funny that some Trump supporters still think he has a chance. Even if he was able to overturn the results in Pennsylvania and Michigan, he still wouldn't have enough electoral votes to win. He would still be 2 or 3 states short. You would think at least a few Trump supporters would understand math, but that doesn't seem to be their strong suit.

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Posted : November 29, 2020 3:50 pm
Chain
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@2112

 

I think their grasp of math is no doubt a problem......However, succumbing to the charms of a con man is slightly more of a problem it would seem to me.  Losing one's common sense or never possessing such a trait in the first place explains how we elect such obvious incompetents.

After all if it looks, smells, and tastes like dog sh*t, it's probably dog shit...

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Posted : November 29, 2020 7:16 pm
goldtop
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@chain

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Posted : November 29, 2020 10:53 pm
Jerry
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Posted by: @chain

The most recent number I heard is that 50% of Republicans think the election was stolen...So that’s what, 30% of the population?  So in essence, the die hard Trump cult...Certainly NOT even close to the majority of Americans...

 

Change Republicans to Democrats, and Trump to Gore, and you have the debacle of the 2000 election.

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Posted : December 2, 2020 1:52 pm
PorkchopBob
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@jerry Not exactly the same situations.

In 2000 there was legitimate question regarding FL votes, which would have swung a close election (271-266). After the US Supreme Court essentially halted the recount, Gore conceded.

In 2020, Trump has questioned the results in several states that he lost without any evidence, even after recounts. Even after GOP state officials contradict Trump's baseless claim, he refuses to concede thus encouraging his supporters to believe the election was somehow "stolen".

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Posted : December 2, 2020 2:59 pm
stormyrider
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right

in 2000 there was about 500 votes separating Bush and Gore in Florida.  And Gore won the popular vote. Entirely different. 

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