Figured I'd start a fresh thread since this is kind of a big deal.
Trump was either intentionally deceitful, flippant towards our national security and records policy, or completely ignorant of protocol. Either one points to someone who never should have been in the room.
He's being investigated for espionage...
Not quite. The potential crime of unauthorized retention of secret documents is part of the Espionage Act. Two other potential crimes - destruction of secret documents & unlawful removal of government documents are under 2 different federal laws.
The media is making this a big deal. It's not. The DOJ resorted to a search warrant to physically pick up the documents because Trump didn't return them voluntarily or respond to a subpoena.
Not quite. The potential crime of unauthorized retention of secret documents is part of the Espionage Act. Two other potential crimes - destruction of secret documents & unlawful removal of government documents are under 2 different federal laws.
The media is making this a big deal. It's not. The DOJ resorted to a search warrant to physically pick up the documents because Trump didn't return them voluntarily or respond to a subpoena.
Got it...Thanks...I'm just so ready for the yam to go to jail...or better yet just croak out
OK. So now, the gov't has the documents back.
Are they ALL the documents or did Trump already dispose/sell US secrets? He's had them since 1/20/21; that's 20 months he could've done anything w/them.
What will probably never be released to the public is the Affidavit in Support of the Search Warrant (sometimes as long as 200 pages) in which the specific items, specific acts, and all the evidence provided under oath that gives any nefarious reason that Trump would deliberately take/use the documents unless there are criminal charges brought & the particular document is used at court.
The warrant can be read here:
Trump's above the law isn't he? There's an entire base as well as enablers in Congress that pretty much believe this, and their words would indicate they're willing to let him be.
I don't have the mental capacity to understand Trump's cult's thinking or its infection of the entire GOP. What I get is that it goes beyond Trump - ANYTHING done by constitutional, legal, or regulatory means is a Democratic witch hunt in their minds. What's crazy is the heightened threats against basic law & order - 2 men dead now over these false claims - 1 who "stormed" an FBI office in OH and 1 who drove his car into a Capitol barrier & it exploded. Why? Because the FBI conducted a search warrant just like it does every day of the week? There is absolutely no defense to anyone - private citizen or FPOTUS - to take, keep, and refuse to return government documents even when subpoenaed to do so. Sending the FBI to collect the documents from what is essentially a Palm Beach hotel/club where they weren't secured is the appropriate response.
The repetition of inaccurate absurd info is mind-boggling. Obama doesn't keep secret documents in his home in Chicago; all of his documents are under the proper control of the National Archives who made a bureaucratic decision to move some of them to one of its facilities in Chicago and another elsewhere in IL. Assertions that the judge was biased, the documents were privileged, & the FBI/Democrats did or will plant evidence are ludicrous. How can some Americans be so stupid as to believe such falsehoods or GOP politicians to repeat them?
I give democracy about 10 more years if Trump isn't silenced and the GOP doesn't regain its sanity.
I don't have the mental capacity to understand Trump's cult's thinking or its infection of the entire GOP. What I get is that it goes beyond Trump - ANYTHING done by constitutional, legal, or regulatory means is a Democratic witch hunt in their minds. What's crazy is the heightened threats against basic law & order - 2 men dead now over these false claims - 1 who "stormed" an FBI office in OH and 1 who drove his car into a Capitol barrier & it exploded. Why? Because the FBI conducted a search warrant just like it does every day of the week? There is absolutely no defense to anyone - private citizen or FPOTUS - to take, keep, and refuse to return government documents even when subpoenaed to do so. Sending the FBI to collect the documents from what is essentially a Palm Beach hotel/club where they weren't secured is the appropriate response.
The repetition of inaccurate absurd infand o is mind-boggling. Obama doesn't keep secret documents in his home in Chicago; all of his documents are under the proper control of the National Archives who made a bureaucratic decision to move some of them to one of its facilities in Chicago and another elsewhere in IL. Assertions that the judge was biased, the documents were privileged, & the FBI/Democrats did or will plant evidence are ludicrous. How can some Americans be so stupid as to believe such falsehoods or GOP politicians to repeat them?
I give democracy about 10 more years if Trump isn't silenced and the GOP doesn't regain its sanity.
Every time Trump is criticized or investigated, it's always "a witch hunt" or "the biggest witch hunt ever". Trump is so predictable using this terminology to grift or prey off of uninformed followers, take their money in donations, and make himself the greatest martyr. Millions of his followers buy into this con & pump millions of dollars into his pockets or PACS.
We are losing the country's democracy. In my study of presidential politics & in my lifetime, I've never seen one person do more damage to the executive branch than Trump. The revelation that so many people buy into his rhetoric, lies, and words of violence is astonishing.
This past weekend I saw a cadre of Republican Congressmen do the talk show circuit & defend Trump at every angle. The excuses and logic was comical yet sad. They made the Justice Dept. and the FBI out as enemies. They danced around the questions and attempted to change the narrative. And most of these Congressmen know better - some with legal backgrounds & committee assignments. They're all subservient & beholden.
I don't have the mental capacity to understand Trump's cult's thinking or its infection of the entire GOP. What I get is that it goes beyond Trump - ANYTHING done by constitutional, legal, or regulatory means is a Democratic witch hunt in their minds. What's crazy is the heightened threats against basic law & order - 2 men dead now over these false claims - 1 who "stormed" an FBI office in OH and 1 who drove his car into a Capitol barrier & it exploded. Why? Because the FBI conducted a search warrant just like it does every day of the week? There is absolutely no defense to anyone - private citizen or FPOTUS - to take, keep, and refuse to return government documents even when subpoenaed to do so. Sending the FBI to collect the documents from what is essentially a Palm Beach hotel/club where they weren't secured is the appropriate response.
The repetition of inaccurate absurd info is mind-boggling. Obama doesn't keep secret documents in his home in Chicago; all of his documents are under the proper control of the National Archives who made a bureaucratic decision to move some of them to one of its facilities in Chicago and another elsewhere in IL. Assertions that the judge was biased, the documents were privileged, & the FBI/Democrats did or will plant evidence are ludicrous. How can some Americans be so stupid as to believe such falsehoods or GOP politicians to repeat them?
I give democracy about 10 more years if Trump isn't silenced and the GOP doesn't regain its sanity.
If Trump gets reelected I think your 10 year estimate for the fall of our Democracy is optimistic especially if the GOP controls both houses of Congress.
Every time Trump is criticized or investigated, it's always "a witch hunt" or "the biggest witch hunt ever". Trump is so predictable using this terminology to grift or prey off of uninformed followers, take their money in donations, and make himself the greatest martyr. Millions of his followers buy into this con & pump millions of dollars into his pockets or PACS.
We are losing the country's democracy. In my study of presidential politics & in my lifetime, I've never seen one person do more damage to the executive branch than Trump. The revelation that so many people buy into his rhetoric, lies, and words of violence is astonishing.
This past weekend I saw a cadre of Republican Congressmen do the talk show circuit & defend Trump at every angle. The excuses and logic was comical yet sad. They made the Justice Dept. and the FBI out as enemies. They danced around the questions and attempted to change the narrative. And most of these Congressmen know better - some with legal backgrounds & committee assignments. They're all subservient & beholden.
His playbook, including fund-raising to combat some imaginary grievance, is predictable. I agree that 4 years of Trump's indifference to the boundaries of the 3 branches of government & constant anti-government rhetoric has damaged democracy more than any president. IMO it's beyond the exec branch, emboldened SCOTUS (why not throw out precedent as the ruling principle for deciding cases if Trump can re-define the executive branch?), & caused GOP officials who know better to bow to Trump. I still find that inexplicable. I've never bought the "afraid to lose his base" idea because as we discover when testifying under oath, the Jan 6 participants DON'T VOTE. They're great at rallies & bluster but not at going to the polls. Now that the fanatical Christians have gotten what they wanted w/Roe, why should they bother w/Trump anymore? They've got their own problems with revelations that their largest group - the Southern Baptist Convention - has hidden 2 decades of sexual abuse of minors by adult Christians.
I understand that the files in question were found in a basement bathroom underneath two cases of Clairol honey-blonde hair coloring and an inflatable Stormy Daniels doll.
Ok, just to be on the other side of the fence here since there seems to be a majority here that think Trump is 'Orange Man Bad' and such and such: To that I say Bullsheet.
And I'm not here to write this to try to change anyone's minds - if you don't understand what is and has been taken place these past 6 years you probably never will even or even bother to. But imo, if you haven't , you need to pay close attention to what is happening around this once great country. You can disagree with me, but I don't care. I've collected enough info these past 3 years form both sides to convince myself that this country is in big trouble and it's not because of 'Orange Man Bad'
Make note , I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I was never that much into Politics or internal workings of all the 3 Letter Orgs. I was always on the side of letting the people I elected do my talking and 'let the dice roll where it may take you' mindset. I am a former Marine , and when I enlisted and took an oath to up hold and defend the Constitution , my intent was to carry that oath out to my last breath. From the day trump announced his plan to run for POTUS was the day the establishment took notice. And I use the term 'establishment' lightly. What we have that are occupying DC are not Americas representatives. They treat the Constitution like a roll of toilet paper.
From the time of around ate 2019 , just before COVID I started to realize something was amiss
All the 'media' narratives about Trump at the time was: Trump did this, Trump did that Trump sad this, Trump said that, Trump was a disgrace and a danger to our democracy....Wonder how many of those scripted statements were aired in all the corp media branches?? From Russia Russia hoax to Fiser to phony impeachment #1 to phony impeachment # 2 to the phony jan 6th Committee to this present FBI raid - this all a ruse. If this was all true why is he still free? I don't have the time nor probably the space to give all the details as to who what why but, for anyone to state that it's justifiable for the DOJ/FBI to raid a former Presidents home when in fact the rule of law was being carried out in due process by the legal team, that's a bit naive as to what the procedures are.
What the FBI/DOJ did was as out and out display of brown shirt bully/marxist rhetoric. How many times did we here Trump being called Nazis by the fake media? What do we call this regime for having, for example, the AG submit about labeling mothers of America as terrorists for fighting against CRT in schools to teach hate? How abut that FBI backed kidnapping scheme that planned to abduct MI Gov Whitmer? The raid on former NY Mayor Gulliani's home? The abduction of a former Trump aide Peter Navarro at an airport whom was handcuffed and tied in leg irons, lol?
Jan 6 Committee? More political left-wing BS. Did they once tell the truth about anything? They lied about about how many were actually killed that day, they lied about some heresy Hutchinson flapped about with nearly everyone of her statements notes with the preamble "something to the effect of..."Since when does the Sen Republican leaders picks to sit on the committee be thrown out and be replaced by Pelosi's Trump hating RHINOS? Since when does the a Committee not have REAL cross examination? Since when did they not bring in and question Ray Epps - the person that was actually videoed screaming in front of jan 6 crowd to "charge the capital building"!?
See the all the connections here? ALL political.
I can go on , but my point is clear: forget about Democratic, Republican, Independent , race, color, creed or nationality. Really take a close look at what is happening around his - don't rely on the phonies sitting on the podium at the press conference; the shill reps that sit in front of cameras on TV that only tell what they feel you should here; the newspapers and rags like the NY Times and Newsweek ( who by the way had 1 reporter being given some inside 'dirt' that AG was not behind the Mar A Largo raid.... and then he turns up at a press conference days later to admit that he was in fact involved, lol) . Noticed how Garland didn't take any questions??
Oh, BTW, how do you all like the idea of this regime approve the IRS hiring of 87,000 armed agents??
PS
I'm really not a new member as my profile notes - been here for many years and I enjoy reading and talking about ABB and Duane topics.
BR
A simple Google search shows your statement about the IRS hiring 87,000 armed agents is not even close to being true. The fact that you think the impeachments and Jan. 6 investigation are phony tells us everything we need to know about you (and your sources). Gov. Whitmer kidnapped by the FBI? Ray Epps? All have been debunked numerous times. Enjoy your life of Q.
So why not post under your known and recognized name? Kinda like those people in pointed hats and robes who burn crosses and other red neck $hit hoping to remain anonymous.
I'm not a fan of any particular politician, myself. I don't care of Joe Biden but I freakin' hate Donald Trump.
You (or people like you) once called Al Gore a "sore loser" and Barack Obama, "the great divider". In my 65 years I have never seen a sorer loser or a greater divider than "Orange Man Bad" (OMB). By the way - I have never heard that term before your post.
I am glad that you understand that you won't change any minds with your paranoid rhetoric. I also know that I won't influence you or any of your padded cell-mates with my words. There are a few bona-fide and proven facts:
OMB - DID attempt to steal the election. He phoned Governors and election officials in several states (most notably, Georgia) asking ... INSTRUCTING them to "find additional votes". Many of these phone calls were recorded and were made public on newscasts. If you missed them - go look for them as they are available.
OMB - DID remove classified files from the White House. They were found in his new residence. Yeah, I know - Antifa might've put them there. The Easter Bunny might also be a kangaroo.
OMB - DID (via sick-minded cronies like Steve Bannon and others) organize a bunch of gullible half-wits to storm the Capitol on January 6. Feel free to ignore the testimony of those who were in the rooms with OMB, or discount the FACT that a dozen or so of his TOP associates DID freakin' RESIGN immediately.
OMB - DID and still DOES contest that the election was stolen - even after numerous recounts made by FELLOW REPUBLICANS proved otherwise.
I agree the media is often quick to jump the gun on Trump, but only because his flippant approach to politics (and our republic) has brought it upon himself. He could have quietly handed over these documents, the FBI was working on this for a month without public knowledge until Trump himself decided to tweet about it. Garland defended his agents because Trump's statements compromised their safety. It has lead to the death of two idiots.
I was going to write something longer, but much of what you have written is false or misrepresented, so I'm not going to bother (you're welcome to start a new thread if you'd like to discuss further). Everyone here is sharp enough not to pillar our politicians and to be suspicious of their interests.
Our republic is in trouble. Far-right wing people are assaulting our branches of government in the name of "patriotism" while fear-mongering the spectre of "socialism". They don't understand the foundations of our Constitution, yet claim to defend it. And they worship Trump like a golden calf when his interests are the most suspect of all.
A simple Google search shows your statement about the IRS hiring 87,000 armed agents is not even close to being true. The fact that you think the impeachments and Jan. 6 investigation are phony tells us everything we need to know about you (and your sources). Gov. Whitmer kidnapped by the FBI? Ray Epps? All have been debunked numerous times. Enjoy your life of Q.
Hey Stang,
Nothing personal but it seems that you are in denial along with the rest here. Stating that Ray Epps is debunked? - Keep reading the NY Times and watching CNN - you've benn suckered, fooled and lied to.
A simple search for the recent "Economic Package" and the contents of it would tell you what exactly is contained:
"The reconciliation package would also double the current IRS workforce by hiring an additional 87,000 employees to the bureau’s staff of 78,661 employees. At 165,661 employees, the IRS is poised to become larger than the Pentagon, State Department, FBI and Border Patrol combined total employees of 158,779."
You really believe that the IRS taking on 87,000 new employees is for pushing papers all day? Guess again. Their employment ad says otherwise.
Yeah, keep sipping that cool-ade bro
Oh, BTW how would you like it if the FBI raided your house while you were on vacation and they took down your security cameras? It may just happen - better hide your valuables.
Well said. Our Republic IS in trouble and I believe 24/7 media is part of the problem in being divisive. As quick as they are to point to Trump, they now point to Biden. I often wonder why the FCC hasn't classified Fox News as an entertainment/sports channel & refused to grant them air time for news that is not journalism - stories that have been fact-checked and approved by an editor.
One thing that is often forgotten is how slowly the law moves and how strongly the Constitution protects defendants. Investigations, specifically ones that go to a grand jury, are conducted in secret to protect the identity and reputation of a person being investigated should evidence not support a charge or a grand jury fail to indict.
The Mar-a-Lago warrant was executed after the National Archives discovered documents were missing, Trump through his lawyers denied having them, a visit to the property & review of surveillance tape proved they were on the premises & were unsecured, a subpoena was issued by DOJ (standard practice), and when it was ignored, evidence (that the public should never see to protect any and all parties before there is a charge if there even IS one) was presented to a federal judge, the judge examined the sworn affidavits & judged there was sufficient cause to issue the search warrant & what premises could & could not be searched. The FBI conducted the search & delivered the documents to the appropriate authority. This is standard procedure for ANY search warrant.
The FBI didn't announce they were going to Mar-a-Lago to seize the missing documents. The MEDIA reported it & there were hours of video of agents doing their jobs while pundits speculated & criticized & made much ado about nothing to fill air time. The same happened w/Roger Stone. Media had staked out his house awaiting a search & then covered it for hours. It's like OJ's Bronco chance. When it's a slow news day, fill the air w/rampant speculation.
I agree the media is often quick to jump the gun on Trump, but only because his flippant approach to politics (and our republic) has brought it upon himself. He could have quietly handed over these documents, the FBI was working on this for a month without public knowledge until Trump himself decided to tweet about it. Garland defended his agents because Trump's statements compromised their safety. It has lead to the death of two idiots.
I was going to write something longer, but much of what you have written is false or misrepresented, so I'm not going to bother (you're welcome to start a new thread if you'd like to discuss further). Everyone here is sharp enough not to pillar our politicians and to be suspicious of their interests.
Our republic is in trouble. Far-right wing people are assaulting our branches of government in the name of "patriotism" while fear-mongering the spectre of "socialism". They don't understand the foundations of our Constitution, yet claim to defend it. And they worship Trump like a golden calf when his interests are the most suspect of all.
Perhaps we should start another thread but this would be a complete waste of time.
Contrary , we should pillar our politicians - Take dizzy Liz Chaney for example - how much of her total estate wealth has increased since she's been elected? You look it up - I won't bother but just so you are aware, it may not just be her to single out. How about Pelosi?
So you state that some of what I have wrote is misrepresented or false?
Here's a challenge and if I'm wrong I'll admit it but I don't think so!
How many times in her statements during the Jan 6th inquisition while under oath did Cassidy Hutchinson say the words "....something to the effect of..." From 3rd party sources ? Then explain to me what REAL committee or court for that matter would admit that as evidence?
A simple Google search shows your statement about the IRS hiring 87,000 armed agents is not even close to being true. The fact that you think the impeachments and Jan. 6 investigation are phony tells us everything we need to know about you (and your sources). Gov. Whitmer kidnapped by the FBI? Ray Epps? All have been debunked numerous times. Enjoy your life of Q.
Hey Stang,
Nothing personal but it seems that you are in denial along with the rest here. Stating that Ray Epps is debunked? - Keep reading the NY Times and watching CNN - you've benn suckered, fooled and lied to.
A simple search for the recent "Economic Package" and the contents of it would tell you what exactly is contained:
"The reconciliation package would also double the current IRS workforce by hiring an additional 87,000 employees to the bureau’s staff of 78,661 employees. At 165,661 employees, the IRS is poised to become larger than the Pentagon, State Department, FBI and Border Patrol combined total employees of 158,779."
You really believe that the IRS taking on 87,000 new employees is for pushing papers all day? Guess again. Their employment ad says otherwise.
Yeah, keep sipping that cool-ade bro
Oh, BTW how would you like it if the FBI raided your house while you were on vacation and they took down your security cameras? It may just happen - better hide your valuables.
I have read some whoppers in my day but all I can say is WOW.
But on a more positive note thank you for your service.
A simple search for the recent "Economic Package" and the contents of it would tell you what exactly is contained:
"The reconciliation package would also double the current IRS workforce by hiring an additional 87,000 employees to the bureau’s staff of 78,661 employees. At 165,661 employees, the IRS is poised to become larger than the Pentagon, State Department, FBI and Border Patrol combined total employees of 158,779."
You really believe that the IRS taking on 87,000 new employees is for pushing papers all day? Guess again. Their employment ad says otherwise.
Oh, BTW how would you like it if the FBI raided your house while you were on vacation and they took down your security cameras? It may just happen - better hide your valuables
Here's the thing about internet searches - they're are tailored to your history, so they will feed you what it thinks you want to find. Feel free to cite the source of your quote, because no legitimate news sources has reported the IRS is hiring 87K employees, in fact, to the contrary, they have had to refute the claims as baseless.
The statement originates from a Treasury Department Report that estimated increased funding would allow the IRS hire up to 87,000 employees by 2031 incrementally after a decade of slashing IRS staff ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/irs-87000-new-agents/ )
Also, I don't think Sang has any confidential federal documents, but if he did, I sure hope the FBI would pay him a visit.
Also also, in 1993 Trump converted Mar-a-Largo from a residence to a private club. He technically isn't allowed to claim it as a residence.
Well said. Our Republic IS in trouble and I believe 24/7 media is part of the problem in being divisive. As quick as they are to point to Trump, they now point to Biden. I often wonder why the FCC hasn't classified Fox News as an entertainment/sports channel & refused to grant them air time for news that is not journalism - stories that have been fact-checked and approved by an editor.
One thing that is often forgotten is how slowly the law moves and how strongly the Constitution protects defendants. Investigations, specifically ones that go to a grand jury, are conducted in secret to protect the identity and reputation of a person being investigated should evidence not support a charge or a grand jury fail to indict.
The Mar-a-Lago warrant was executed after the National Archives discovered documents were missing, Trump through his lawyers denied having them, a visit to the property & review of surveillance tape proved they were on the premises & were unsecured, a subpoena was issued by DOJ (standard practice), and when it was ignored, evidence (that the public should never see to protect any and all parties before there is a charge if there even IS one) was presented to a federal judge, the judge examined the sworn affidavits & judged there was sufficient cause to issue the search warrant & what premises could & could not be searched. The FBI conducted the search & delivered the documents to the appropriate authority. This is standard procedure for ANY search warrant.
The FBI didn't announce they were going to Mar-a-Lago to seize the missing documents. The MEDIA reported it & there were hours of video of agents doing their jobs while pundits speculated & criticized & made much ado about nothing to fill air time. The same happened w/Roger Stone. Media had staked out his house awaiting a search & then covered it for hours. It's like OJ's Bronco chance. When it's a slow news day, fill the air w/rampant speculation.
The FBI and the DOJ are acting as political thugs, plain and simple. If this was such an necessary RAID to secure unsecured docs why then did the Secret Service Agy place new locks on the locations where the docs were held months before? Have the lawyers represent and follow rules of jurisdiction is what was taking place.
Hours of video of agents doing there job? LOL. What counts is what they did INSIDE the residence ,and who has that? The owner, LOL..
If the FBI was following protocol why did they refuse to submit the warrant to the person there opening up the residence? Does part of that protocol also require that they request security cameras are to be shut down? Why did they take 9 HOURS to go just grab boxes of files? I can surmise that perhaps they're installing their own spying equipment?
Quoting the media? Funny.
What's alarming is to think that this RAID was justifiable,lol.
The FBI/DOJ have been caught in a political witch hunt.
Contrary , we should pillar our politicians - Take dizzy Liz Chaney for example - how much of her total estate wealth has increased since she's been elected? You look it up - I won't bother but just so you are aware, it may not just be her to single out. How about Pelosi?
So you state that some of what I have wrote is misrepresented or false?
Here's a challenge and if I'm wrong I'll admit it but I don't think so!
How many times in her statements during the Jan 6th inquisition while under oath did Cassidy Hutchinson say the words "....something to the effect of..." From 3rd party sources ? Then explain to me what REAL committee or court for that matter would admit that as evidence?
Politicians are welcome to make money, that's capitalism. If you're referring to some nefarious source of income, do tell.
The Jan 6 committee is conducting a hearing, not a trial. Hearsay is admissible. It's often not allowed in criminal trials due to the weight it carries if false, however, in a hearing it is allowed and valuable when you have several witnesses corroborating it.
A simple search for the recent "Economic Package" and the contents of it would tell you what exactly is contained:
"The reconciliation package would also double the current IRS workforce by hiring an additional 87,000 employees to the bureau’s staff of 78,661 employees. At 165,661 employees, the IRS is poised to become larger than the Pentagon, State Department, FBI and Border Patrol combined total employees of 158,779."
You really believe that the IRS taking on 87,000 new employees is for pushing papers all day? Guess again. Their employment ad says otherwise.
Oh, BTW how would you like it if the FBI raided your house while you were on vacation and they took down your security cameras? It may just happen - better hide your valuables
Here's the thing about internet searches - they're are tailored to your history, so they will feed you what it thinks you want to find. Feel free to cite the source of your quote, because no legitimate news sources has reported the IRS is hiring 87K employees, in fact, to the contrary, they have had to refute the claims as baseless.
The statement originates from a Treasury Department Report that estimated increased funding would allow the IRS hire up to 87,000 employees by 2031 incrementally after a decade of slashing IRS staff ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/irs-87000-new-agents/ )
Also, I don't think Sang has any confidential federal documents, but if he did, I sure hope the FBI would pay him a visit.
Also also, in 1993 Trump converted Mar-a-Largo from a residence to a private club. He technically isn't allowed to claim it as a residence.
Understood about the search engines - which is one good reason why I don't use google.
As sure as we are here debating this , on Aug 7th the Senate passed a sweeping economic package that would allocate billions of taxpayer dollars to facilitate the expansion of the Internal Revenue Service’s workforce. That package includes hiring as many as 87,000 IRS workers. They may say up to 2031 , they can say what they want , but to note that the size of this workforce is to have the potential be larger than the Pentagon, State dept , Border patrol the FBI combined. I don't believe for a second they're going to slash and just fill in positions. They NOW have the Billions of dollars funding to do it!!
Contrary , we should pillar our politicians - Take dizzy Liz Chaney for example - how much of her total estate wealth has increased since she's been elected? You look it up - I won't bother but just so you are aware, it may not just be her to single out. How about Pelosi?
So you state that some of what I have wrote is misrepresented or false?
Here's a challenge and if I'm wrong I'll admit it but I don't think so!
How many times in her statements during the Jan 6th inquisition while under oath did Cassidy Hutchinson say the words "....something to the effect of..." From 3rd party sources ? Then explain to me what REAL committee or court for that matter would admit that as evidence?
Politicians are welcome to make money, that's capitalism. If you're referring to some nefarious source of income, do tell.
The Jan 6 committee is conducting a hearing, not a trial. Hearsay is admissible. It's often not allowed in criminal trials due to the weight it carries if false, however, in a hearing it is allowed and valuable when you have several witnesses corroborating it.
But all the news media found it important enough to air during prime time. Please don't use the term 'witnesses' for this instance. They made it a point to not include key ones.
As sure as we are here debating this , on Aug 7th the Senate passed a sweeping economic package that would allocate billions of taxpayer dollars to facilitate the expansion of the Internal Revenue Service’s workforce. That package includes hiring as many as 87,000 IRS workers. They may say up to 2031 , they can say what they want , but to note that the size of this workforce is to have the potential be larger than the Pentagon, State dept , Border patrol the FBI combined. I don't believe for a second they're going to slash and just fill in positions. They NOW have the Billions of dollars funding to do it!!
So you're worried new IRS employees are going to...do..what exactly? Put a lien on the White House? Repossess and auction Air Force One?
The FBI and the DOJ are acting as political thugs, plain and simple. If this was such an necessary RAID to secure unsecured docs why then did the Secret Service Agy place new locks on the locations where the docs were held months before? Have the lawyers represent and follow rules of jurisdiction is what was taking place.
Hours of video of agents doing there job? LOL. What counts is what they did INSIDE the residence ,and who has that? The owner, LOL..
If the FBI was following protocol why did they refuse to submit the warrant to the person there opening up the residence? Does part of that protocol also require that they request security cameras are to be shut down? Why did they take 9 HOURS to go just grab boxes of files? I can surmise that perhaps they're installing their own spying equipment?
Quoting the media? Funny.
What's alarming is to think that this RAID was justifiable,lol.
The FBI/DOJ have been caught in a political witch hunt.
Please take the time to understand how the new interface works. Your comments don't appear as responses but as part of the original post.
You may find the text of the 4th Amendment to be instructive in that it preserves the right of citizens & describes precisely what is required before a warrant is executed:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses , papers , and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Trump & his lawyers properly received a copy of the warrant.
The media won't let this story go & is compromising whatever investigation(s) are ongoing. CNN, along with other media, have now petitioned the court to force the DOJ to release the Affidavit in Support of the Mar-a-Lago warrant. As I've commented before, this includes the details of the case, witness testimony, and other evidence that comprise the elements of crimes that is NEVER released to the public for ANY case prior to an indictment. It protects the purported defendant as well as the witnesses who have testified. This has been the procedure for almost 250 years.
To the media: THERE IS NO STORY HERE. A search warrant was served for the 1st time on a FPOTUS property. Why? Because the FPOTUS had them & now they've been recovered. END OF STORY unless & until charges are brought against someone at some vague future point. Head out to the beach like the rest of the world for the remainder of summer.
No army of 87,000 agents
This 87,000 figure comes from a May 2021 Treasury Department assessment of how it would use $80 billion to improve IRS operations. The report said the IRS would add 86,852 new full-time positions. (The plan is not written in stone. The Treasury Department says that in the coming months, it will decide how to allocate the new money.)
But even in the 2021 plan, not all of the hires would be auditors, or work in enforcement. The report said the money would go toward many things, including "hiring new specialized enforcement staff, modernizing antiquated information technology, and investing in meaningful taxpayer service."
Although the agency’s staff would increase, it’s key to note that over half of the IRS workforce is close to retirement. The plan was created with that exodus in mind and aims to hire thousands of people to simply maintain current levels. Today, the IRS has about 80,000 employees.
"The IRS will lose about 50,000 people over the next five or six years," said Natasha Sarin, Treasury’s counselor for tax policy and implementation. "A lot of this hiring is about replacing those people."
Sarin said another factor makes the 87,000 figure less than it appears to be. The agency’s projection of new hires was based on the idea that if things stayed as they were, another decade of business as usual would result in staff cuts. Over the past decade, the IRS has seen its funding drop by 20%. Between 2010 and 2018, the number of enforcement personnel fell by nearly a third. If that trend continued, the IRS would not only be replacing people lost to retirement, but to expected budget cuts.
So, the 87,000 wasn’t exclusively for people on the enforcement side, and it wasn’t all going to boost the overall size of the IRS workforce.
There is a lot more, this taken from https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/08/15/kevin-mccarthys-mostly-false-claim-about-an-army-of-87000-irs-agents/65401671007/
As sure as we are here debating this , on Aug 7th the Senate passed a sweeping economic package that would allocate billions of taxpayer dollars to facilitate the expansion of the Internal Revenue Service’s workforce. That package includes hiring as many as 87,000 IRS workers. They may say up to 2031 , they can say what they want , but to note that the size of this workforce is to have the potential be larger than the Pentagon, State dept , Border patrol the FBI combined. I don't believe for a second they're going to slash and just fill in positions. They NOW have the Billions of dollars funding to do it!!
So you're worried new IRS employees are going to...do..what exactly? Put a lien on the White House? Repossess and auction Air Force One?
Hmm, you can surmise. But with all the problems we're having I can certainly make a case for putting the money to better use. Especially all the Billions of money going to the Ukraine.
BTW, speaking of the Ukraine, did you notice that as fact with all the Billions of dollars we've sent them, there are paid advertisements on TV every night asking for money to give to the Ukranians? So this bears in mind: where is the money going to?
