Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?
Pretty sure that Jesus is a Jew.
Here's a view from Oteil
Pretty sure that Jesus is a Jew.
Here's a view from Oteil
Def a Jew, haven't you guys ever watched The Ringer?
Awesome Oteil tune btw, had never heard it before.
He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.
Are Arabs combinations of white people (skin color), blacks (hair texture) and Asians (hair color)?
Afghans have pale green eyes and they migrated there.
He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.
"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.
I am not saying Jesus is White. I am saying that he is a Jew, as am I (I also believe that he is the Messiah, making me a Hebrew Christian, Jew for Jesus, Messianic Jew.....).
And yes, being born of a Jewish mother does make him Jewish. 
[Edited on 12/15/2016 by Rodess]
Only those who need to hate use the color of someone’s skin to spew their loathing.
Jesus loved everyone unconditionally.
Anyone remember Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s statement?
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
Never quite took hold in the grievance, hate and political world.
Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?
You crack me up. 
LOL
He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.
"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.
Cleopatra with blonde hair? I have never seen that.
Why does it matter what Jesus's color was? God sent him to a certain region in the world, and made him look like he would blend in with the others in those lands at that time. I don't know how black people got dark skin, or how Indians got reddish skin or why Japanese and Chinese only have one color hair and physical features that are all similar to each other.
I heard something really scary recently, that in the mountains not far from Qandahar, giants were seen and killed by coalition forces who will not talk about it, after dealing with the Taliban and al Qaida forces, then coming across giants was just too much. The giants were believed to be descendents of the Nephilim, which were extra terrestrial in origin who mated with earthling women. Even in your Bible it is spoken about the Nephilim and the Annunaki, they came from somewhere other than earth. They had children and offspring, some of whom are believed to still be alive today. Even Jesus's family, they married and had children, their lineage has continued. Anyone ever thought about that? I also know that some of the Afghan Talliban can trace their ancestry back to the lineage of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad.
There are a lot of interesting people still alive in the world today, there are good and bad in all races, colors, faiths.
Go Gina! You are on fire!
Mitochondrial DNA data shows that anatomically modern Humans evolved about 200,000 years ago in Africa. During the next hundred thousand years there were a number of human migrations out of Africa. Each of these migrations followed the route through what is now Israel before proceeding to either Asia or Europe. Changes in skin, hair and eye color among northern Europeans have been attributed to climatic and dietary factors and occurred after leaving Africa.
Based on geography it's likely that Jesus's skin color was medium to dark brown and he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.
Humans, though, be that white, brown, black or albino all originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.
he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.
Why no dreadlocks? I noticed his mom has her hair conked in the above picture, probably historically inaccurate.
he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.
Why no dreadlocks? I noticed his mom has her hair conked in the above picture, probably historically inaccurate.
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I doubt an artists rendering has any historical reference nor does it matter.
He said he was sent to help the Jews, just because his brothers and mortal family were Jews does that mean he himself was a Jew? Most pictures depicted him as having light brown hair, and greenish eyes the Jews had dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.
"Pictures"? Later European paintings also depicted Cleopatra VII with fair skin and blonde hair, but that doesn't make it so.
Cleopatra with blonde hair? I have never seen that.
A lot of baroque and neoclassical European paintings represented many characters in what was contemporary styles of clothes and physical beauty. That means white ivory skin and fair features, often dirty blonde hair. Jesus's and Mary's depictions in art evolved for the same reasons. As many have said, it shouldn't really matter (although it is no doubt interesting). However, I'm sure there are a small number of knuckleheads who claim to love Jesus yet have hate in their heart.
If you do a quick "Cleaopatra in art" google search you'll find a fair number of these paintings, but here are just a few that feel a little out of place and time from our concept of ancient Ptolemic Egypt.
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Just got a Christmas card of a manger scene. Looks like a bunch of Nordic hippies in a Swedish barn. Got me wondering how would white folks react if they knew Jesus looked more like Bob Marley than Duane Allman?
someone sent you a Christmas card?
ok, wait, maybe that was uncool. Do they know you or was it from a local car dealership?
ok, maybe that was uncool too.
do they know you AND know of your...skepticism, for lack of a better word, concerning our Lord and Savior and His skin color?
there, that's better...
Hey man, Merry Christmas!
ok, wait, that was uncool.
Happy Holidays! 😉 😛
Merry Christmas backatcha!
Don't know where you got the skepticism of Jesus's color thing. I'm like you and think it doesn't matter at all. My original question was not to debate what color Jesus may have been. Nobody can know.
The real question, that matters very much, is how would the white mainstream Christians react if it was proven that Jesus wasn't white? How would that news go down in Mississippi?
Would they continue to paint Him as Nordic?
a few years after Jesus's death and ascension, in one of Josephus's works, he mentioned that "Jesus stood out in a crowd". This could mean either that He was a tall man or, even in the flesh, there was a light emminating from Him. Given that He at the time was a man, the former is likely but no other mention, at least that I could find, has ever been made of Jesus's appearance and I suppose for good reason. It doesn't matter.
my bad on the skepticism thing. All apologies.
Haha no worries at all! I am a devious Whipping Poster. You are hip to my obnoxious inflammatory questionable motivation.
Still, doesn't make it any less of a lovely Christmas. Snowed in here in Oregon. Just me and Flipper swimmin around Seaworld. You folks are literally my only link to humanity.
Great posts all. Thanks for thoughts art and music. Really good Oteil number, Blue Eyed Savior. Only lyrics I have ever heard about this, a black man struggling to discard an image of God imposed by the white man. How many white Christians have ever had to face this challenge?
" I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some"
[Edited on 12/18/2016 by BrerRabbit]
Mitochondrial DNA data shows that anatomically modern Humans evolved about 200,000 years ago in Africa. During the next hundred thousand years there were a number of human migrations out of Africa. Each of these migrations followed the route through what is now Israel before proceeding to either Asia or Europe. Changes in skin, hair and eye color among northern Europeans have been attributed to climatic and dietary factors and occurred after leaving Africa.
Based on geography it's likely that Jesus's skin color was medium to dark brown and he looked more like Bob Marley without the dreads than Duane Allman.
Humans, though, be that white, brown, black or albino all originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.
If you are trying to say everyone originally came from Africa that is an interesting concept, some have spoken about Pangea which was one continent before the land masses were broken apart (due to pole shifts and the cataclysm that caused ice ages etc. ). But I do not understand the differences in the DNA of the different races or how that evolved unless it is true that mankind was cohabitating with other terrestrial beings causing the different mutations seen among different races. A forensic scientist can tell someone's race based on their sperm, why is Asian sperm different than native African American sperm? The genetic markers and diseases more prevalent in different racial groups is proof that something more than just evolution was going on.
(From Uncle Remus by Joel Chandler Harris)
Excerpt courtesy of "The Wren's Nest" Joel Chandler Harris House museum in Atlanta
http://www.wrensnest.org/everything-youve-heard-about-uncle-remus-is-wrong-part-1/
WHY THE NEGRO IS BLACK
One night, while the little boy was watching Uncle Remus twisting and waxing some shoe-thread, he made what appeared to him to be a very curious discovery. He discovered that the palms of the old man's hands were as white as his own, and the fact was such a source of wonder that he made it the subject of remark. The response of Uncle Remus led to the earnest recital of a piece of unwritten history that must prove interesting to ethnologists.
"Tooby sho de pa'm er my han's w'ite, honey," he quietly remarked; "en w'en it come ter dat, dey wuz a time w'en all de w'ite folks 'uz black--blacker dan me, kaze I done bin yer so long dat I sorter bleach out."
The little boy laughed. He thought Uncle Remus was making him the victim of one of his practical jokes; but the youngster was never more mistaken. The old man was serious. Nevertheless, he failed to rebuke the ill-timed mirth of the child, appearing to be altogether engrossed in his work. After a while he resumed:
"Yasser. Fokes dunner w'at bin yet, let 'lone w'at gwinter be. Niggers is niggers now, but de time wuz w'en we 'uz all niggers tergedder."
"When was that, Uncle Remus?"
"Way back yander. In dem times we 'uz all un us black; we 'uz all niggers tergedder, en 'cordin' ter all de 'counts w'at I year fokes 'uz gittin 'long 'bout ez well in dem days ez dey is now. But atter' w'ile de news come dat dere was a pon' er water some'rs in de naberhood. w'ich if dey'd git inter dey'd be wash off nice en w'ite, en den one un um, he fine de place en make er splunge inter de pon', en come out w'ite ez a town gal. En den, bless grashus! w'en de fokes seed it, dey make a break for de pon', en dem w'at wuz de soopless, dey got in fud' en dey come out w'ite: en dem w'at wuz de nex' soopless, dey got in nex', en dey come out merlatters; en dey wuz sech a crowd un um dat dey mighty nigh use de water up, w'ich w'en dem yuthers come 'long, de morest dey could do wuz ter paddle about wid der foots en dabble in it wid der han's. Dem wuz de niggers, en down ter dis day dey ain't no w'ite 'bout a nigger 'ceppin de pa'ms er der han's en de soles er der foot."
The little boy seemed to be very much interested in this new account of the origin of the races, and he made some further inquiries, which elicited from Uncle Remus the following additional particulars:
"De Injun en de Chinee got ter be 'counted 'long er de merlatter. I ain't seed no Chinee dat I knows un, but dey tells me dey er sorter 'twix' a brown en a brindle. Dey er all merlatters."
"But mamma says the Chinese have straight hair," the little boy suggested,
"Co'se, honey," the old man unhesitatingly responded, "dem w'at git ter de pon' time nuff fer ter git der head in de water, de water hit onkink der ha'r. Hit bleedzd ter be dat away."
If you are trying to say everyone originally came from Africa that is an interesting concept, some have spoken about Pangea which was one continent before the land masses were broken apart (due to pole shifts and the cataclysm that caused ice ages etc. ). But I do not understand the differences in the DNA of the different races or how that evolved unless it is true that mankind was cohabitating with other terrestrial beings causing the different mutations seen among different races. A forensic scientist can tell someone's race based on their sperm, why is Asian sperm different than native African American sperm? The genetic markers and diseases more prevalent in different racial groups is proof that something more than just evolution was going on.
Well, you're putting the cart before the horse because "Race" isn't really a well-defined way of classifying people. Everyone has the same building blocks in their DNA, it is just the variation in sequence that makes people ever so slightly different. DNA sequence determines your characteristics that you inherit from your parents: hair color, eye color, facial features, height, amount of melanin in your skin, etc. Typically regions would have smaller gene pools so people in Asia looked uniformly similar and people in northern Europe looked another way. By studying the DNA sequences of remains found from certain periods, geneticists can track migration of peoples. They have found that peoples in south Asia and people in certain parts of Africa have a common ancestor. We are all shades of grey.
Certain peoples have predispositions to certain diseases because of the geographic isolation of certain groups of people just as a person develops immunity to certain pollen and germs in a familiar geographic area might be more bothered by foreign pollen/germs in an unfamiliar geographic area. The theory of Pangea puts its break up in the Jurassic period when the only mammals were tiny, long before any humanoid mammals would have been affected by continental drift.
... would have been affected by continental drift.
I always thought continental drift was a decent song:
If you are trying to say everyone originally came from Africa that is an interesting concept, some have spoken about Pangea which was one continent before the land masses were broken apart (due to pole shifts and the cataclysm that caused ice ages etc. ). But I do not understand the differences in the DNA of the different races or how that evolved unless it is true that mankind was cohabitating with other terrestrial beings causing the different mutations seen among different races. A forensic scientist can tell someone's race based on their sperm, why is Asian sperm different than native African American sperm? The genetic markers and diseases more prevalent in different racial groups is proof that something more than just evolution was going on.
Well, you're putting the cart before the horse because "Race" isn't really a well-defined way of classifying people. Everyone has the same building blocks in their DNA, it is just the variation in sequence that makes people ever so slightly different. DNA sequence determines your characteristics that you inherit from your parents: hair color, eye color, facial features, height, amount of melanin in your skin, etc. Typically regions would have smaller gene pools so people in Asia looked uniformly similar and people in northern Europe looked another way. By studying the DNA sequences of remains found from certain periods, geneticists can track migration of peoples. They have found that peoples in south Asia and people in certain parts of Africa have a common ancestor. We are all shades of grey.
Certain peoples have predispositions to certain diseases because of the geographic isolation of certain groups of people just as a person develops immunity to certain pollen and germs in a familiar geographic area might be more bothered by foreign pollen/germs in an unfamiliar geographic area. The theory of Pangea puts its break up in the Jurassic period when the only mammals were tiny, long before any humanoid mammals would have been affected by continental drift.
That's interesting, my ancestors have been here for quite awhile, but the northeast is actually the worst part of the country for me to live in allergy wise, the trees, the grasses are the worst for me of anywhere in the country from an allergy perspective. I would be better in the south or even the central US states, my best place would be the southwest, but I cannot deal with heat. Originally when they came here from Europe waaaaay back, they started in Virginia and Texas before ending up in New York.
