I have heard conservatives often say that politics has no place in music. A similar thing is going on with Pope Francis where conservative leaders say they respect the Pope but not his politics. One could say that the same pattern of disconnection pertains to the way the Bible has been co-opted by conservatives where the political part about the redistribution of resources is ignored in favor of other issues.
There are people here who have too much respect for Paul Kantner to see this type of a game being played with his memory. Paul Kantner was an anarchist, communist, futurist, revolutionary musician whose politics and art were inseparable. Let him be remembered for who he was.
Well put, and concise too. Thx for the well thought out words Swifty... if you mind being thanked by a sewer rat. Might even change my username to SewerRat, has a nice ring to it.
Re Paul Kantner and politics. This isn't the same thing as if it was some great sax player or painter passes away, and sure we all loved him though we may disagree on the views of that artist, because the art was separate from politics. Paul Kantner, the man and the music, was the message. And you are wrong, it wasn't about peace and love, that's just media hype of the "flower power" sixties, Paul was dead serious about hijacking the starship, and all that implies, both figuratively and literally.
This is not the same thing as when most musicians or artists pass on, where we all love the art despite our differences, because the art was not political. Like Margot Fonteyn, funded guns for Castro with her dancing, but who cares, she was a great dancer. She wasn't waving a Commie flag while doing ballet. Paul was not a great singer, or guitarist. He was a great songwriter, and unlike Dylan or Lennon, his lyrics were not so ambiguous that people of all political stripes could interpret them differently. His heart was on his sleeve, there were no riddles, and he was a firebrand. If his message is something you either ignored, or turned your back on, then you have zero business pretending you have some connection or love for the man and his music, or any real spirit connection to a revolutionary era.
You wouldn't have anything nice to say about Abbie Hoffman, or Angela Davis, Gloria Steinem, any of these radical sixties folks, but I guess if they were all in rock bands you might think they were worth some respect, is that it? Kantner was WAY more radical than any of these people, because he didn't have an agenda that could be pigeonholed in your stale little left-right political spectrum.. he was light years ahead of all of us, lighting the way to true revolution, way out beyond the kindergarten sandbox of your dirty little politics and moral religious quibbling.
Quite an echo in here. Dang sewer! Scrreeeeeccccchhh!!!
And the left-wing extremists continue to use Paul Kantner to spew their political crap; driven to slap on their labels and opinions. Disgusting and disrespectful.
I respect the man and his music.
And the left-wing extremists continue to use Paul Kantner to spew their political crap; driven to slap on their labels and opinions. Disgusting and disrespectful.
I respect the man and his music.
OK, well then, how about a couple words on why you respect the man and his music? Anything I say about one of my alltime heroes seems to be nothing more than political crap.
Actually really interested to know what it is about Paul Kantner, his life, and music that grabs you Muleman, because this is the first time I have found we have something in common. I think it is very cool that you love Paul Kantner, really. I was just a bit mystified by it, that's all.
Dude, i think you should drop it. i like jefferson airplane and the grateful dead and rage against the machine and tom morello and charlie daniels and etc etc.......and i'll be damned if i have to justify why when i don't agree with them completely or at all or somewhat politically. just drop it man.
was actually an attempt to bury the hatchet. nevermind. you are right. No point in arguing about the politics of pop stars.
My bad.
DARK AGES - Paul Kantner
What time is it, boys and girls?
It's time for the Dark Ages!
Your nightmares and traumas
can make you rich and famous
Commericals can teach you
all that you need to know
Kiss my flag
Don't look back
The past is gaining on us
Read my lips
Watch my hips
These are the Dark Ages
George Orwell's dream came true
But no one realizes
It crushed us so nicely
with so much wit and style
Entertainment might as well be
just like a rocket launcher
Too bad it's in the hands of the enemy
Nobody believes me
And so I know that I'm right
Charisma addiction gives me a deja vu
Is this like Germany in the 1930s?
Do we have to
live through the apocalypse again?
Might be the dark ages
But we're so happy
Happy to be today
You never know when you
might have to fave the censor
So I don't pretend to
want to make too much sense
Revolution on TV
in far-off distant countries
Too bad
it's just another mini-series here
Nobody believes me
And so I know that I'm right
Charisma hangover
has got to wear off soon
Could this be like Eastern Europe
in the 1990s?
Will we ever get a chance
to have perestroika here?
These are the Dark Ages
But we're so happy
Happy to be here today
Might be the Dark Ages
But we're so happy
Happy to be here with you
Earth Mother - Paul Kantner
Earth mother your children are here
High and feeling dandy
Earth mother your children are here
Ripped on coke and candy
Once the earth was a garden
It gave us all we need
Then it grew so barren
All because of greed
Once the air was for breathing
And clouds caused rain to fall
Then it filled with poisons
Strangling us all
Chorus
Water was once for drinking
And giving life to the land
Then it was used for cooling
The machinery of man
Chorus
It's not your fault you're ill now
It's the men who went before
Your children are at your side now
Don't worry anymore
Your children are your salvation
They see your life as their own
They recognize no nation
They dance around your throne
Dancing in the meadows
To the sound of a living tree
In and out of the shadows
Laughing with the breeze
Chorus x2
Holding Together - Paul Kantner
Look for Atlantis, it is waiting for you - it lives there and it breathes there
Look for Rosemary to open the door for you
And she sees you and she needs you
Enter the cavern
Of the starmaker
Sundance
All through you
Holding together holding together
To the children of the Viet Cong
And to the songs of the Yaqui and the Sioux
The Seminole and the Apache too
We're lookin for you - we need you
I see the wolfpack
Flashin down
From the mountain
And the children
Of the town
Run down beside them now
Holding together holding together
Ride the tiger
You can feel the universe
Inside of you
We can shining on
Thru you
Cold shimmering
Silver - fire of the
Morning sun - streak
Flash bam up and
Away from the forest
Up and away from
No rising sun
We leave the earth to the wind
To the cool clean air that should have been here and we can and we go into nova
I see the wolfpack
Come flashin down
From the mountain
And the children
Of the town run down
Beside them now
I see the Empire is
Breakin' down
From the inside
And the underground
Ain't no place for
Hidin now
It's a way
To move
You are the ocean
That we travel
Through
On the way to
Andromeda
50 million
Light years
Beyond
You
Silver Spoon - Paul Kantner
Throw down all your
silver spoons - eat
all of the raw meat
with your hands.
Pick it up piece by piece
Pick it up piece by piece
Pick it up piece by piece
Where are the bodies
for dinner?
I want my food!
What if you were
starving to death and
they only food you had
was me - what would
you say to the cannibal
question? Would your
answer be perfectly
free?
Your mama told you never
to eat your friends
with your fingers and
hands, but I say you
ought to eat what
you will - shove it
in your mouth any way
that your can.
You think that I will come
to your mouth, looking for
a home. But I get stuck
sideways in your throat
like a good old chicken
bone.
Where are the bodies for dinner?
I want my food!
Stay out the kitchen children
The cook is cleaning his gun
He just got back from the open
markey - shooting his food on
the run.
Your mama told you never
to eat your friends
with your fingers and
hands, but I say you
ought to eat what
you will - shove it
in your mouth any way
that your can.
Sharpen your teeth for the
family feast - let all the
hungry drool roll down
your chin. Hide the human
and bring out the beast.
Let all the animal games begin!
Where are the bodies for dinner?
I want my food!
You could leave to dine on
your friends - pour their
bones into a cannibal soup
muscles like steak
blood like wine - save
the brains to feed to troops
Your mama told you never
to eat your friends
with your fingers and
hands, but I say you
ought to eat what
you will - shove it
in your mouth any way
that your can.
Scarlet juices ozing
slow - boiling in a
human sea.
Is it human dinner
you're talking about?
Then slice me tender
raw and lean
Where are the bodies
for dinner?
I want my food!
Oily fingers can hardly
wait - bodies slumped
face in plate
Wake up the drunks
the coffers on
the fourteenth course
has come and gone.
So long
all day sucker
your candy has
come and gone
and its left you
with your mouth
wide open.
Just humming
cannibal songs.
BrerRabbit, I don't think you should have to drop anything. Please carry on, IMO.
Flower of the Night - Jack Traylor ( as recorded by Paul Kantner)
Paine and Pierce and Robespierre, Juarez and Danton,
Luther King and Lumumba dead but far from gone
Lenin, Cleaver, Jesus too, outlaws in their nations,
Revolutionaries all, dreamed of liberation
God is up in heaven his agents here on earth
The church has said that this man rules, he's best because of birth.
But what's that noise down in the street, who dares to shout and sing?
With all his courtiers at his side, who dares to touch the king?
Old man get some soldiers, keep them close at hand
There's a fire in the country, there's a flame come to the land
Seven thousand loyal troops, in ranks they stretch so far
With seven thousand well armed men, no one can touch the czar.
Louis watch the prisons, send the goons around
Is that Paris burning, is the Bastille falling down?
And where are all the mercenaries - paid for by the king?
Have they joined the mob you say, doesn't money mean anything?
Old men get some soldiers, keep them close at hand,
The seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land
And guard yourself most carefully with military might.
For plants that cannot bloom by day must flower in the night.
Sunfighter - Paul Kantner
You know we found a place on the land
Where we can lay down and watch the ocean roll
And we walk in the sand my lady and me
And we watch and see the child grow
But the hand of man came runnin thru
Runnin thru you and me
Hurricane nighttime sympathy for you and for me
And there ain't no more room here, no more room here
No more room on this planet to grow
The rambler man he comes and he goes in our land
And gets you people on and we sing his song
With a little bit of San Francisco added on
Gonna get you people here all together, gonna roll,
Roll on you - try to move your minds together,
Gonna try to pull you thru -
Sub carbon oscillation, sunshine blurring fascination
Pulsar craft, moving fast, gonna take me past the hand of man to you
The sword of the Lord don't mean nothin to me if He won't get down
On the people makin' such a mess of the land and the sea all around me...
Got to learn to leave the planet be
No more room here to f*ck around like we did before,
Just maybe one more chance to leave it be.
SUNFIGHTER - GUNFIGHTER -
MOUNT THE EARTH AND LEARN TO RIDE HER -
FEEL THE LAND MOVIN UNDER YOU
I can feel you all around me
I can feel you huntin, bowstring weary,
Hear me clearly - I see you -
And I like it here -
I like it here
SUNFIGHTER - GUNFIGHTER -
MOUNT THE EARTH AND LEARN TO RIDE HER -
FEEL THE LAND, NIGHTTIME HURRICANE - MOVIN UNDER YOU
thx bhawk. apologies to all for being an *sshole and starting graveside brawls, just am honestly tore up over this.
Just posting some Kantner lyrics, food for thought...
[Edited on 2/2/2016 by BrerRabbit]
Your Mind Has Left Your Body - Paul Kantner
You have left your body be aware if you care
Your mind has left your body and for this one moment you are
Under the polar ice cap in a place we call home
How is it there white bear like that where you grow...
Now all of you come back to here and now elsewhen to there
Move on out the other way where...
Do you find yourself floating growing there
chorus
Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow
You can exercise your mind on where you want to go
And y'can see the city lights flashin' two thousand miles below you
You can feel the sands of Zanzibar or pierce the nearest sun
Find out what and who you are and if you need to run
chorus
Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow
There is one moment in your life and it can come at any time
And you remember all of what went on from the instant you were born
Thru your early years
And if you can fasten on that moment and expand thru the afterglow
You can reverse your mind in time and travel back to when
The earth was formed
The sky was born
And the universe began
chorus
Riders of the rainbow
Let it grow let it grow
You have left your body
Return when you may
Save it for another day... beyond you
White Boy - Paul Kantner
Where will you go what will you do
What will you see when your night is thru
What can you do where will you go
When the people of this planet send you away from here
My bo
Where do you come from white boy what is your land
Everybody else knows where they come from
You don't know your place you never did you never can
You can't find a place in this land
chorus
Blacks and Reds and Apaches and Jews
All know where they come from but you don't seem to know
Baby do you understand
You appeared in the Caucasus mountains the southern Russia of now
And you spread your peculiar form of death from Mexico to Moscow
You surprised the Europeans the Egyptian too
All of a sudden you appeared on their land
You made mountains for the Incas built pyramids for the Pharoah man
And you grew and you lived by their hands
chorus
Viking Roman fair hair Alexander Emperor slave.
D'you come from the earth D'you come from the sky?
Nobody seems to know You build and you burn create and destroy,
You rule me now fair skin man with an unfair hand.
Where did you come from where were you born
Where were you living when the earth was formed
What can you do where will you go
When the people of this planet send you away from here
My bo...
Paul Kantner's Wooden Ship
December 30, 1992 -late show-
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Musicians Exchange
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=584784
Source : SBD ~> Casio DA-7 (Jerry Moore & Kevin Preuss)
Transfer : master DAT > M-audio audiophile 24/96 usb > Wavelab > CD Wave w/ flac (Nov. 28, 2004 - KP)
48kHz
01. Hijack ~>
02. Have You Seen the Stars Tonight? ~>
03. Starship
04. [poem] "Companeira"...
05. I'm on fire
06. the Light
07. [poem] "My Desire for You"...
08. Shadowlands
09. Down Home Blues
10. Summertime
11. Woodenships
12. Fly Away
13. I'm Movin'
14. [poem] "For the Good of All"...
15. America
16. [poem] "Get Ready"
17. Volunteers
18. Show Me the Way to Go Home
Paul Kantner - Guitar & vocals
Slick Aguilar - Guitar
Tim Gorman - Keys & vocals
Papa John Creech - Violin & vocals
