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theotherbrothers
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Gotta take a moment to give a huge shout out to my right-wing friends on FB. Today they are enraged about inflation. Yesterday they wanted to burn the capitol and get rid of elections.

After Uvalde, while innocent women and children are being slaughtered in church and school, they say "fix Chicago first hypocrites". Either no more elections or we'll riot and kill at the behest of our President. And fix gang violence before we save school and church goers = today's Republican party.

Their response? "We were right because look at inflation." 

 
Posted : June 12, 2022 2:07 pm
porkchopbob
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The irony of citing the phantom threat of socialism as a dog whistle while looking to the Federal government to fix rising prices caused by the free market when supplies can't meet the demand. Which is it?

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Posted : June 13, 2022 9:34 am
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Yep....The ignorance and lack of understanding of not only inflation, but socialism, is a glaring indictment of how uninformed many voters in this nation really are.  It explains how many are so easily manipulated into voting against their own economic interests time after time.

 
Posted : June 14, 2022 11:43 am
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When government action, or lack thereof (such as policy/subsidy/legislastion/regulation/prohibiting/corruption) effects who, what, when, where, and why something can or cannnot be produced, thus sold anywhere. It is hardly any sort of a free market.  

Then you have Wall Street manipulating both futures and commodities, as well as stopping and or starting individual stock sales at exchange discretion, which changes the natural flow of investment and controls assests that may have been available. Plus the current banking model is to base loans on what a company does regarding social and/or political issues rather than if they are financially viable.  The Fed printing  nearly 10 tillion bucks in the past  2 years... All this is at discression of non-elected officials.  All of this factors into the eqaution. 

So after all of the above, from my front porch, I see it all as being done on purpose.   It has been done in other countries across the globe. That proverbial wash/rinse/repeat.  Just on a grander scale, being there are more people here in the good ol USA to steal from, deceive, and eventually totally F over in the long run.

Of course mileage will vary. 

As for Socialism.  When they passed the Patriot Act, we were well on our way.  All the stupid shit going on with abortion rights, LBGTQ+, guns, and racism is just distraction for the masses.   It is all in Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals" and pretty much everything Yuri Besmenov said in the early 80's is currently happeng verbatim.  I have read writings by Marx, Engels, Stalin, and Mao.  All different approachs to Socialism, but have commonality. Alot of things occurring today in America have correaltion to their philosophies.  Again mileage  will vary.

 

I am gonna go fishing now and enjoy Flag Day.    Have a good one... Laterz!

 
Posted : June 14, 2022 1:31 pm
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Posted by: @gotdrumz

When government action, or lack thereof (such as policy/subsidy/legislastion/regulation/prohibiting/corruption) effects who, what, when, where, and why something can or cannnot be produced, thus sold anywhere. It is hardly any sort of a free market.  

Then you have Wall Street manipulating both futures and commodities, as well as stopping and or starting individual stock sales at exchange discretion, which changes the natural flow of investment and controls assests that may have been available.

This is pretty much my point, it's a mix. The market gets manipulated by greed, and attempts to police and regulate it are made so the system doesn't implode. So the people confusing "social" programs for totalitarian Communist regime while demanding a completely free capitalist market shouldn't be the ones complaining about the Federal government inability to completely mitigate an inflated petroleum market.

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Posted : June 14, 2022 3:12 pm
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If our government allowed energy production domestically, we wouldn't be in the situation of having an inflated petroleum market. That is basic economics.

As to people wanting the government to fix stuff, that seems to be misconstrued by some. Taking the perspective of wanting the government to quit making it worse places more clarity on where the problem actually lies.

Me personally, I don't see governmental abuse of power through medical tyranny, mandates based on lies, censorship, politicians and their families being above the law,  and public servants being multi-millionaires based on policy and legislation they create as being "social programs" misinterpreted.  This problem is non-partisan. Both parties are full of criminals.  A lot of people are not okay with continual lies from government & MSM about pretty much everything. 

 

 

 
Posted : June 15, 2022 10:19 am
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If our government allowed energy production domestically, we wouldn't be in the situation of having an inflated petroleum market. That is basic economics.

The US produces a significant amount of oil: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/where-our-oil-comes-from.php

And even with gas prices at a high right now, they are still significantly lower than other countries lowest prices. But our economy (and suburban areas) have become dependent on the use of oil, even if our economy isn't dependent on the production of oil.

You can complain about the press, elected officials, and regulation, but unfettered private industry still does more damage to our economy and environment. Federal mandates have attempted to mitigate medical "tyranny" from insurance companies raking in record profits while passing on costs to customers. Now insurance companies are raising home owners insurance and thus raise the cost of living for both property owners and renters nationwide. Here in FL, owners are calling on the state government to temper rate increases by a Governor who claims the state is "free". Is it an abuse of power to curb price gouging? People couldn't buy a gallon of milk without government subsidies to dairy farmers. That is essentially a "social program". My point still stands, those complaining about "socialism" are ignorant of the Federal government's attempted intervention in mitigating economic pressure, and many are hypocritically demanding it.

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Posted : June 15, 2022 10:59 am
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Socialism......whatever helps Trump supporters distract themselves from being part of attempts to rid the country of presidential elections through terrorism at the behest of a sitting President. "Nothing to see here, just keep moving. Look over there at Chicago, Floyd protests, inflation and socialism!" Some future they have. 

 
Posted : June 15, 2022 12:52 pm
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Posted by: @theotherbrothers

Socialism......whatever helps Trump supporters distract themselves from being part of attempts to rid the country of presidential elections through terrorism at the behest of a sitting President. "Nothing to see here, just keep moving. Look over there at Chicago, Floyd protests, inflation and socialism!" Some future they have. 

Why do you say Chicago is Socialist? And how/why do you think inflation is worse in Chicago than anywhere else? Was Chicago the only place Floyd protests occurred?

 

Just curious.

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Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.

 
Posted : June 15, 2022 2:30 pm
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Posted by: @lee
Posted by: @theotherbrothers

Socialism......whatever helps Trump supporters distract themselves from being part of attempts to rid the country of presidential elections through terrorism at the behest of a sitting President. "Nothing to see here, just keep moving. Look over there at Chicago, Floyd protests, inflation and socialism!" Some future they have. 

Why do you say Chicago is Socialist? And how/why do you think inflation is worse in Chicago than anywhere else? Was Chicago the only place Floyd protests occurred?

 Just curious.

@lee those commas all have equal weight. I believe he is just listing several separate dog-whistle bullet points that a lot of conservative media use to distract from other issues, one of which being urban gun violence in Chicago.

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Posted : June 15, 2022 2:41 pm
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Posted by: @porkchopbob
Posted by: @lee
Posted by: @theotherbrothers

Socialism......whatever helps Trump supporters distract themselves from being part of attempts to rid the country of presidential elections through terrorism at the behest of a sitting President. "Nothing to see here, just keep moving. Look over there at Chicago, Floyd protests, inflation and socialism!" Some future they have. 

Why do you say Chicago is Socialist? And how/why do you think inflation is worse in Chicago than anywhere else? Was Chicago the only place Floyd protests occurred?

 Just curious.

@lee those commas all have equal weight. I believe he is just listing several separate dog-whistle bullet points that a lot of conservative media use to distract from other issues, one of which being urban gun violence in Chicago.

Gotcha, makes sense! The gun violence problem should probably be in one the gun law threads I guess. Raising the age to buy a gun in Chicago would do zero to address the problem here. I could simply go down to the south or southwest sides and get as many guns as I wanted off the street, no questions asked. Living here, that is what is scary!

Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.

 
Posted : June 15, 2022 2:56 pm
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@lee and that was mentioned in the gun control thread - illegally acquired guns used in urban gang violence is a different issue from legally purchased guns used in random mass shootings so it's not a good comparison by NRA-backed politicians. Otherbrothers was just making a point that it's one of many distractions GOP uses as of late, no one here was discussing Chicago specifically (well, I guess you are now).

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Posted : June 15, 2022 3:07 pm
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Posted by: @porkchopbob

People couldn't buy a gallon of milk without government subsidies to dairy farmers. That is essentially a "social program". 

Only have time to reply to this particular point.

So what part did government policy, legislation, and regulations effect said cost of a gallon of milk.  Afterall, from cow to the fridge, the government from local, state, and federal levels increase the cost of doing business along the way.  Again, if the governmet "pays" for production or non-production.  It isn't a free market cause the natural flow of supply/demand is manipulated.

 
Posted : June 16, 2022 12:05 pm
porkchopbob
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Posted by: @gotdrumz

Again, if the governmet "pays" for production or non-production. It isn't a free market cause the natural flow of supply/demand is manipulated.

Dude. My point from the start is that it is not a completely free market. Federal money offsetting costs or losses is how subsidies work - whether it's dairy or the auto industry. Yet there are people who hypocritically condemn the very idea of redistribution of wealth by the Federal government while demanding the Federal government manipulate the price of a gallon of gas when it increases.

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Posted : June 16, 2022 12:27 pm
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