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I've been reading your posts for a long long time,Mistake number 1......
LOL!!! Good point.
Actually, I just saw that he posted some positive comments in my hockey thread, so maybe I should take it back?
The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
Nah.
[Edited on 1/30/2016 by BoytonBrother]
Yes, land owned by the federal government belongs to ALL American people, as administered by the government. People can't do anything they want on federal land. If it wasn't that way I think I'll build a house with a primo view of Half Dome and Yosemite Falls in Yosemite Valley. Maybe I'll barrow a F-18 for a weekend trip to Miami.
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"as administered by the government"
Please post that law.
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist except of course in the mind of the left-wing socialist wannabe.Actually it does exist and was passed in1976. I know you won't read this, you will just attack the source.
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And here we have keller trying to interpret the law.
This is the same idiot who cannot tell the difference between a framework agreement and a treaty.Did you read the link? You said it didn't exist, and here it is. This is exactly what you asked for, and it is pretty crystal clear!
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I did read the link and that particular law clearly states that the authority to seize the land by the federal government lies in the The Congress, not the President.
Of course you would know this if you had read the link.
I did know this and it has nothing to do with this situation. The land in question in Oregon (and Nevada in last years confrontation) became government land when this law was passed. This law effectively ended the Homestead Act. If you had read the link you would know that.
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The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
The particular parcel of land has been a National Wildlife Refuge since 1908, genius.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Malheur/about.html
Yes, land owned by the federal government belongs to ALL American people, as administered by the government. People can't do anything they want on federal land. If it wasn't that way I think I'll build a house with a primo view of Half Dome and Yosemite Falls in Yosemite Valley. Maybe I'll barrow a F-18 for a weekend trip to Miami.
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"as administered by the government"
Please post that law.
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist except of course in the mind of the left-wing socialist wannabe.Actually it does exist and was passed in1976. I know you won't read this, you will just attack the source.
_________________________________________________________________________
And here we have keller trying to interpret the law.
This is the same idiot who cannot tell the difference between a framework agreement and a treaty.Did you read the link? You said it didn't exist, and here it is. This is exactly what you asked for, and it is pretty crystal clear!
_______________________________________________________________________
I did read the link and that particular law clearly states that the authority to seize the land by the federal government lies in the The Congress, not the President.
Of course you would know this if you had read the link.
I did know this and it has nothing to do with this situation. The land in question in Oregon (and Nevada in last years confrontation) became government land when this law was passed. This law effectively ended the Homestead Act. If you had read the link you would know that.
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The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
The particular parcel of land has been a National Wildlife Refuge since 1908, genius.
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Wrong again dumba$$ but you keep trying.
Yes, land owned by the federal government belongs to ALL American people, as administered by the government. People can't do anything they want on federal land. If it wasn't that way I think I'll build a house with a primo view of Half Dome and Yosemite Falls in Yosemite Valley. Maybe I'll barrow a F-18 for a weekend trip to Miami.
_________________________________________________________________________
"as administered by the government"
Please post that law.
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist except of course in the mind of the left-wing socialist wannabe.Actually it does exist and was passed in1976. I know you won't read this, you will just attack the source.
_________________________________________________________________________
And here we have keller trying to interpret the law.
This is the same idiot who cannot tell the difference between a framework agreement and a treaty.Did you read the link? You said it didn't exist, and here it is. This is exactly what you asked for, and it is pretty crystal clear!
_______________________________________________________________________
I did read the link and that particular law clearly states that the authority to seize the land by the federal government lies in the The Congress, not the President.
Of course you would know this if you had read the link.
I did know this and it has nothing to do with this situation. The land in question in Oregon (and Nevada in last years confrontation) became government land when this law was passed. This law effectively ended the Homestead Act. If you had read the link you would know that.
_________________________________________________________________________
The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
The particular parcel of land has been a National Wildlife Refuge since 1908, genius.
_________________________________________________________________________
Wrong again dumba$$ but you keep trying.
Are you saying the government website is wrong? Please show us your link. Don't say you won't do my research because I have already done it.
You are wrong. Again.
Yes, land owned by the federal government belongs to ALL American people, as administered by the government. People can't do anything they want on federal land. If it wasn't that way I think I'll build a house with a primo view of Half Dome and Yosemite Falls in Yosemite Valley. Maybe I'll barrow a F-18 for a weekend trip to Miami.
_________________________________________________________________________
"as administered by the government"
Please post that law.
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist except of course in the mind of the left-wing socialist wannabe.Actually it does exist and was passed in1976. I know you won't read this, you will just attack the source.
_________________________________________________________________________
And here we have keller trying to interpret the law.
This is the same idiot who cannot tell the difference between a framework agreement and a treaty.Did you read the link? You said it didn't exist, and here it is. This is exactly what you asked for, and it is pretty crystal clear!
_______________________________________________________________________
I did read the link and that particular law clearly states that the authority to seize the land by the federal government lies in the The Congress, not the President.
Of course you would know this if you had read the link.
I did know this and it has nothing to do with this situation. The land in question in Oregon (and Nevada in last years confrontation) became government land when this law was passed. This law effectively ended the Homestead Act. If you had read the link you would know that.
_________________________________________________________________________
The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
The particular parcel of land has been a National Wildlife Refuge since 1908, genius.
_________________________________________________________________________
Wrong again dumba$$ but you keep trying.
Are you saying the government website is wrong? Please show us your link. Don't say you won't do my research because I have already done it.
You are wrong. Again.
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No, I am saying that you are obviously incapable of understand the document.
You started with 1976, reverted to 1908 and never did explain why the land use issue in dispute is relevant to your off road trip.
Yes, land owned by the federal government belongs to ALL American people, as administered by the government. People can't do anything they want on federal land. If it wasn't that way I think I'll build a house with a primo view of Half Dome and Yosemite Falls in Yosemite Valley. Maybe I'll barrow a F-18 for a weekend trip to Miami.
_________________________________________________________________________
"as administered by the government"
Please post that law.
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist except of course in the mind of the left-wing socialist wannabe.Actually it does exist and was passed in1976. I know you won't read this, you will just attack the source.
_________________________________________________________________________
And here we have keller trying to interpret the law.
This is the same idiot who cannot tell the difference between a framework agreement and a treaty.Did you read the link? You said it didn't exist, and here it is. This is exactly what you asked for, and it is pretty crystal clear!
_______________________________________________________________________
I did read the link and that particular law clearly states that the authority to seize the land by the federal government lies in the The Congress, not the President.
Of course you would know this if you had read the link.
I did know this and it has nothing to do with this situation. The land in question in Oregon (and Nevada in last years confrontation) became government land when this law was passed. This law effectively ended the Homestead Act. If you had read the link you would know that.
_________________________________________________________________________
The particular parcel of land in question was seized by the Obama regime dumba$$.
The particular parcel of land has been a National Wildlife Refuge since 1908, genius.
_________________________________________________________________________
Wrong again dumba$$ but you keep trying.
Are you saying the government website is wrong? Please show us your link. Don't say you won't do my research because I have already done it.
You are wrong. Again.
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No, I am saying that you are obviously incapable of understand the document.
You started with 1976, reverted to 1908 and never did explain why the land use issue in dispute is relevant to your off road trip.
OK, let me dumb this down for you. In the early years of the west, settlers were allowed to stake out open land and allowed to farm it, ranch it, mine it, whatever they wanted to do with it. Thepdore Roosevelt was a believer in preserving much of the beauty of the land, so he started the process of designating land to be preserved from development. This lead to the creation of National Parks and nature preserves. One of the places he designated was Malheur National Wildlife Refuge where this standoff took place. This was all legal under the law at that time. The other law that I provided reinforced that by basically eliminating homesteading and giving the protection of those lands to Congress. So, Ammon Bundy and his group had no legal right to seize and hold that land. The idea that it belongs to everyone to do what they wish is legally wrong.
Besides that, the US seized the land from the Native Americans who were their first. If anyone has a claim to that land it is probably the Native Americans.
Our national nightmare is finally over.
Oregon standoff: All occupiers surrender; Cliven Bundy arrested
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/oregon-standoff/index.html
Our national nightmare is finally over.
Oregon standoff: All occupiers surrender; Cliven Bundy arrested
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/oregon-standoff/index.html/blockquote >
Not sure I would call it a national nightmare. I don't think most people have even thought about it for quite a while. That said, glad these squatters have been arrested without any of the authorities being injured.
I hope the feds will use this opportunity to seize Cliven's cattle to start to pay back all the money he owes the taxpayers.
audio from today's standoff/surrender. david fry really loses his mind in the last hour. it was really bizarre ending. enjoy.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/new-audio-livestream-malheur-standoff
Our national nightmare is finally over.
Oregon standoff: All occupiers surrender; Cliven Bundy arrested
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/oregon-standoff/index.html/blockquote >
Not sure I would call it a national nightmare. I don't think most people have even thought about it for quite a while. That said, glad these squatters have been arrested without any of the authorities being injured.
I hope the feds will use this opportunity to seize Cliven's cattle to start to pay back all the money he owes the taxpayers.
They may go after Bundy's entire ranch. The Feds said when they pulled out of Nevada in 2014 that they were not giving up and would address the situation at a later date. That later date appears to have arrived.
at 2:02 is when is really get crazy. i still suggest hearing it all
Our national nightmare is finally over.
Oregon standoff: All occupiers surrender; Cliven Bundy arrested
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/oregon-standoff/index.html/blockquote >
__________________________________________________________________________And it took Michele Fiore, a gun-toting Nevada Republican (and part of Sen. Ted Cruz’s Nevada leadership team) to get the successful negotiations done.
Thank you , thank you very much.
the 2nd amendment people messed up his head......guns rights
the 1st amendment people twisted his mind over the 2nd amendment.
he was a kid who cared about alot of issues facing the world.....but hooked up with the wrong groups
at 2:02 is when is really get crazy. i still suggest hearing it all
I think it's hilarious that he thought people were going to riot in support of his cause. I'm glad he finally realized that nobody cares about his "messages." And I don't think he'll have to worry about his "tax" money going to support abortion anymore. Do they take tax money out of what he earns making license plates in prison?
And I'm still pissed that these morons have hijacked the word "patriot." Anti-government wackos have no right to use the word patriot.
really, i suggest listening to this. i think that statements from it will be used for many years. it is important to hear what went down with your own ears. i listened to the whole thing. it was very interesting, if nothing else. there are alot of sound bites but, just listen to it.
you could just hear his crisis unfold. he's not rightwing he's not leftwing. he's both and conflicted. he's very confused about left and right. about the constitution and environment. speech and guns. freedom and servitude. poor kid
Cliven Bundy to be extradited to Nevada to face federal charges in 2014 standoff
(CNN)A Federal court judge has ordered embattled rancher Cliven Bundy to be extradited back to his home state of Nevada, where he will answer to federal charges stemming from a 2014 armed standoff, according to court documents.
Bundy and four others -- including his sons Ryan and Ammon, who led the takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon -- were indicted by a federal grand jury on Wednesday, according to the U.S. attorney for Nevada.
The five face 16 felony charges relating to an armed standoff the Bundys and their supporters had with the federal government in 2014.
Ryan Payne, who participated in the Oregon wildlife occupation, and Peter Santilli were also charged, authorities say.
"Persons who use force and violence against federal law enforcement officers who are enforcing court orders, and nearly causing catastrophic loss of life or injury to others, will be brought to justice," U.S. Attorney Daniel G. Bogden said.
Cliven Bundy was denied bail on Tuesday after a judge in an Oregon federal court determined that he was a flight risk, said Natalie Collins, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Nevada. Bundy is scheduled to be back in court Friday.
Last week, Bundy was charged with six counts in that 2014 showdown against federal land managers on the open range where his cattle grazed and fed.
The federal Bureau of Land Management and local authorities backed down in the face-off, halted the roundup of Bundy's cattle and returned about 300 head to avoid any violence.
Authorities accused Bundy of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, assault on a federal law officer by use of a deadly and dangerous weapon, interference with commerce by extortion and obstruction of justice.
The indictment released on Wednesday said the eldest Bundy was the leader of the movement to extort the federal government into returning his cattle.
"The defendants recruited, organized, and led hundreds of other followers in using armed force against law enforcement officers in order to thwart the seizure and removal of Cliven Bundy's cattle from federal public lands," the indictment said. "Bundy had trespassed on the public lands for over 20 years, refusing to obtain the legally-required permits or pay the required fees to keep and graze his cattle on the land."
Bundy, 69, could spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted.
Arrested as he came to aid of sons
Cliven Bundy was arrested last week in Portland, where he flew in support of his sons Ammon and Ryan, who both allegedly participated in another, more recent armed standoff against federal authorities at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge's headquarters in Harney County, Oregon.
That 41-day standoff ended last week after the last of the holdouts surrendered to authorities.
Ammon Edward Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho, and his brother Ryan C. Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada, are among 16 people indicted in the Oregon standoff, and each of the 16 defendants face a federal felony count of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, the FBI said.
The 16 defendants were described by the FBI as being among "dozens of highly armed militants occupying, visiting and supplying the refuge."
'Lawless and violent'
In arguing against bail for Bundy, federal prosecutors portrayed Bundy as "a danger to the community," according to court documents.
"Bundy is lawless and violent. He does not recognize federal courts -- claiming they are illegitimate -- does not recognize federal law, refuses to obey federal court orders, has already used force and violence against federal law enforcement officers while they were enforcing federal court orders, nearly causing catastrophic loss of life or injury to others," federal prosecutors said in court papers filed Tuesday.
Bundy lives on 160 acres as a long-time resident of Bunkerville, Nevada, a sparsely populated area near the borders with Utah and Arizona, court papers said.
The Bundy Ranch is near the Virgin River a few miles from where Interstate Highway 15 crosses into Arizona, or about 90 miles northeast of Las Vegas, authorities said.
Why it took almost two years for charges
In 2014, at the time of his alleged crimes, more than 1,000 head strayed as far as 50 miles from his ranch and into the Lake Mead National Recreational Area, "getting stuck in mud, wandering onto golf courses, straying onto the freeway (causing accidents on occasion)," authorities said in documents.
He allows his cattle to "run wild on the public lands with little, if any, human interaction until such time he traps them and hauls them off to be sold or slaughtered for his own consumption," prosecutors said.
In his April 2014 confrontation with federal authorities, "Bundy organized and led over 400 followers to assault BLM officers as they guarded the impoundment site, all for the purpose of getting cattle back," prosecutors said.
"In the immediate aftermath of the April 12 assault, federal law enforcement officers were forced to abandon the impoundment site, precluding them from conducting an immediate investigation," prosecutors said.
Out of safety concerns, local law officers allowed the gunmen and the conspirators to leave the site without facing arrest.
It took nearly took two years for authorities to finally file charges against Bundy because, prosecutors indicated, "the investigation became purely historical in nature."
"The presence of many gunmen in and near the area of Bundy Ranch, the armed checkpoints and patrols, the presence of assault weapons in the militia camps, including (by some accounts) a .50 caliber machine gun, further increased the difficulty of conducting a physical investigation of Bundy Ranch or the impoundment site," prosecutors added.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/us/cliven-bundy-bail-hearing-oregon/index.html
Am in Burns right now. Community is polarized and suspicious, completely different than the open and friendly vibe than when I was thru here a month ago. seems like this whole charade was simply toxic and sad. Got a freebie Constitution at the motel. Gal offered me a stack of them to hand out. Wishing i hadn't worn my jacket with the USFS-BLM Fire patch on the shoulder, i actually didn't put it on until I left the diner this morning. Closest I have ever been to first-hand experience of what the days just before the Civil War might have been like. sucks.
Wow.
Any more reports from the scene of the crime will be appreciated Brer Rabbit.
Burns is really depressed economically, and this whole thing seems to have really increased the general stress level. I get the feeling that most folks aren't that concerned with the specific issues that the protesters have, it is more like it just swoll up a bunch of heads and aggravated everyone into a polarized pissed-off state. Everyone got divided, within families, friends, and churches, and a lot of the stuff I am reading in the local paper is people angry about all kinds of things, and very little to do with the ranching vs. BLM thing.
Last week there was a community reconciliation effort, with orange ribbons hung all over downtown, and wagon wheels put up, an attempt to put this strife behind them and move on, clean up and build morale for tourist season. Then a bunch of the ribbons were torn down, and the wagon wheels smashed... this really hit the place hard, and it will take a long time to heal. There are still a lot of outside militia types hanging around, it is possible that Burns has become some kind of mecca for these folks. It doesn't seem to be doing anyone any good.
If this place gets the reputation for being a militia stronghold it is going to scare off their main source of revenue, which is the summer visitors, it really is an amazing undiscovered recreation jewel and just starting to make a name for itself.
Really a bunch of bullsh*t, if you ask me. These guys didn't help anything or anyone by bringing their circus to Burns. And taking over a wildlife refuge, gimme a break! If they are so concerned about govt land conflicts, why not go and set up where public lands have been leased for fracking, or something that actually matters? These clowns brought their personal axe to grind and now everyone is grinding axes.
I hope these terrorists and tax cheats have to pay back every penny.
The Oregon militia standoff cost taxpayers more than $3 million, burdening local sheriffs’ offices and government agencies across the state and leaving officials uncertain how they are going to recover the significant losses.
The armed occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, which began 2 Janua and ended 11 February after a dramatic standoff with the FBI, forced police agencies throughout Oregon to devote resources to the response, while also requiring schools and multiple federal departments to halt their work in rural Harney County for more than a month.
The estimated more than $3 million, which officials say is significantly lower than t total costs, covers the activities of the Oregon state police, more than 35 local polic and sheriffs’ agencies and the US Bureau of Land Management (BLM), which had to keep paying the more than 100 workers unable to work as the 41-day standoff drag on.
The figure does not includes the expenses of the US Fish and Wildlife Service, whic runs the refuge, nor the very significant costs of the FBI, which had a consistent presence at the standoff and is continuing now with its investigation.
“Where this is unprecedented is every sheriff’s office in the state of Oregon had resources involved in this situation,” said Brian Wolfe, president of the Oregon state sheriffs’ association. “For some of the sheriff’s offices, the impact was very substanti and there are some costs that probably aren’t reflected.”
Ammon Bundy and a crew of armed anti-government activists took over a number of
federal buildings at the headquarters of the wildlife sanctuary in a remote part of eastern Oregon to protest government land-use regulations.Soon after the militia seized the federal land, the Harney County sheriff’s office, alon with the FBI and Oregon state police, set up a joint command center to run operatio which was one of many local expenses.
The Oregon state police had 149 staff members respond to Harney County in Januar alone, working a total of more than 6,000 regular work hours plus 5,700 hours of overtime, according to a recent state budget analysis. The total cost of wages, milea and lodging for the state police force was $944,000 – and that’s only for January. Officials say they have not yet calculated costs for February.
Meanwhile, sheriff’s offices from all regions of the state – not including Harney Cou – spent a total of $788,000 to respond to the occupation. That amount covered wag mileage, equipment and other costs tied to the nearly 200 officers working on it.
Harney County and the local towns of Hines and Burns, the closest municipalities to the refuge, spent roughly $500,000 in January for wages and other expenses, includ school closures in the first week of the protests.
At a Portland hearing on Wednesday, Bundy and more than a dozen Oregon militia protesters who were also arrested pleaded not guilty for their role in the occupation
“I am openly offended at what this cost the state and the nation,” said judge Steve Grasty, of Harney County, who has repeatedly expressed outrage about the hefty expenses since the beginning of the occupation. “I want everybody to know how much this cost.”
He added: “That is a huge portion of our entire budget. We just don’t have a way to make that up.”The FBI on Tuesday finished evidence collection at the refuge, which is still closed t the public and will soon return to the control of the US Fish and Wildlife Service. F spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said the agency was not prepared to release cost estimates.
Plenty more to the story here: