After a civil rights lawsuit was filed this week, Minneapolis NOW ban police chokeholds and neck restraints.
Https://www.yahoo.com/news/witness-floyd-didnt-resist-arrest-155340907.html
The City Council expected to approve the measure today. It requires court approval. It requires any officer to radio or phone in from the scene the use of any neck restraint or chokehold to his Commander or the Commander's superiors as well as their duty to verbally and physically intervene in the situation.
REMARKS: This needs to be NATIONAL reform. And apply it to the DEA, and other federal agents as well as all statewide police nationwide.
In NYC the violence continues. Rayne Valentine came to NYC to help the covid patients. He works transporting them at Brooklyn Hospital. He was leaving his job at 11:45 pm his hospital ID-Badge was plainly visible on him and he saw a swarm of cops chasing protester he stepped back and started filming. The cops beat him up. He had to walk back to his hospital spend 7 hours there get 7 staples in his head and 2 CAT scans. The Daily Beast has info.
They are beating up food delivery workers too.
Https://www.twitter.com/PeterNHess
Https://www.twitter.com/gideonoliver
Https://www.twitter.com/TaylorShubert
And a Palestinian gives advice to the protesters from what they have learned over there to identify the weapons being used so you know what is to come.
Https://www.twitter.com/rananazzalh
NYC is a war zone.
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"tangentially related" Nice try. You can not preach about the importance of defeating this virus and turn around in the next sentence and argue for an exception because it is "racially charged"....You are one of the biggest hypocrites here...
Not true at all. I never argued for an exception for protestors "because" it is racially charged - you're incorrectly applying the description of the situation as the cause for the response. I never even argued for an exception. I even mentioned here that protestors were going to complicate COVID-19 cases. This is yet another argument that you have created in your head.
And they are two issues that overlap like a Venn Diagram - they aren't the same issue, but affect each other! But you care more about the hypocrisy of every single police precinct's response to COVID-19 versus their response to protestors as if it should be exactly the same. As you have lauded, "one size does not fit all", these are all different situations even when similar, but you hypocritically want it to be the same because you think you have the right to go to a park anytime you want to. Talk about axe to grind. You can't see the forest from the trees.
Go play in park.
You are correct and I agree with the "one size does not fit all" answer to this dilemma. My argument has been and will remain the blatant hypocrisy among those here who preached the dangers of this virus including and not limited to the highly contagious aspects, the need for masks, social distancing and etc. These are the same people who are now as quiet as Church mice when faced with the very real possibility of a huge spike because of the total disregard of the danger still lurking. All under the flag of rights which has never been questioned, least of all by me. Go ahead, claim any defense that suits you, but if you were in the least consistent in your beliefs and the arguments you put forth here which I quoted, you would have been shouting STAY AT HOME, WEAR A MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCE just as loudly as you were before the horrible murder of George Floyd. But you have not and you've tried every reason under the sun to try to explain why the social rules we as a society agreed upon to defeat this virus, flatten the curve and keep the burden off the health care system, are not applicable. Merely mentioning that "protesters were going to complicate COVID-19 cases" is nowhere near the same as condemnation of a behavior that very likely could be responsible for the economy once more grounding to a halt...But hey, people got to march, loot and rob all while holding up signs.
Go ahead, claim any defense that suits you, but if you were in the least consistent in your beliefs and the arguments you put forth here which I quoted, you would have been shouting STAY AT HOME, WEAR A MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCE just as loudly as you were before the horrible murder of George Floyd.
So you need a COVID-19 disclaimer ahead of every post about police murder and public outrage? Everyone else here is able to discuss two separate topics like adults, while being fully aware of the effect they have on each other. Well, apparently almost everyone, since you've been grinding your axe in every other thread. I've repeatedly said, I'm staying home. For some bizarre reason you think the whole planet is standing on a bridge in Minneapolis, shoulder-to-shoulder. If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them. As soon as the protest began, everyone mentioned the fear of them reigniting COVID-19 (and that's assuming it's under any sort of control at the moment) Not all of us needed that explained repeatedly. But if you want my daily COVID-19 report, I'm happy to give it to you.
If protestors disobey officers of the law, I hope they get the one The Karen in Boise got and not a Chauvin (you know, the subject of the thread that you've disregarded)
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If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.
The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?
If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.
The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?
Dude, seriously, this is not difficult, stop being so thick. Think it through. But with you it's always square peg >> round hole.
Protests and vigils have been OUTSIDE and people are now mostly used to staying apart from each other with masks on. In most areas, people have been allowed to be OUTSIDE yet far apart. Vigils are no different. Not saying absolutely no one could get sick, but people are taking precautions.
The others are places people sit RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER sharing seating and facilities. Most of those places I have not supported reopening of. None of this is perfect, but none of it is absolute - it's not one size fits all (except for you, sometimes it is when it's convenient for whatever it is you choose to be arguing at the moment).
Well now an ex-Analyst for the State and Defense Departments under the Obama administration is guaranteeing bail for her "best friend" who was charged with distributing molotov cocktails in NYC protest marches. The guarantor is now a lawyer making $255,000 year, and her education was financed through a scholarship by Paul and Daisy Soros. Paul Soros deceased now, was older brother to George Soros, who reportedly said he wants to get Trump out of office
The alleged thrower, Urooj Rahman, Brooklyn lawyer.
The guarantor Salma Rivzi, NYU grad now works for Ropes, Gray in Washington, DC. She was the analyst for the State and Defense Departments.
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If people want to safely protest or assemble, good for them.
The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc.
The above are both your quotes: "Where do you stand"? Are you for assembly everywhere? or just in the streets in the form of protest? Can people not "safely" do any of the above listed in the second quote?
Dude, seriously, this is not difficult, stop being so thick. Think it through. But with you it's always square peg >> round hole.
Protests and vigils have been OUTSIDE and people are now mostly used to staying apart from each other with masks on. In most areas, people have been allowed to be OUTSIDE yet far apart. Vigils are no different. Not saying absolutely no one could get sick, but people are taking precautions.
The others are places people sit RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER sharing seating and facilities. Most of those places I have not supported reopening of. None of this is perfect, but none of it is absolute - it's not one size fits all (except for you, sometimes it is when it's convenient for whatever it is you choose to be arguing at the moment).
Yet you keep defending your position. In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.
Talk about thick
There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.
With regard to what is going on with these protests.
1. BLM wants change.
2 Soros wants Trump out of office. A covert coup is going on.
The rogue part of the CIA is helping the Soros agenda. They do what they usually do. Help one group defeat another, then they decimate the group they helped [which in reality means used to do their dirty work]. Example Al Qaeda 1980's and then, well you know what happened at Tora Bora, the US bombed 2 caves out of 17. One belonged to Osama, he wasn't in there, he was with the women who couldn't take the aerial bombardments. They escaped into Pakistan and 2011 was another turning point.
There is a coup going on. That is why rioters get dropped off in luxury cars with rocks and bricks provided to them. They bust windows, get picked up and dropped off at the next point.
COUP.
Https://www.twitter.com/gideonoliver
NYPD Intelligence Analysts and FBI questioning people who are arrested.
Yup. The Swamp creatures out there .
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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in-solidarity-of-cops
Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.
Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.
In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.
Not at all accurate. It's clear you are frustrated by your lack of understanding of the situation and facts, you can't even maintain a discussion without mischaracterizing what someone else writes. You're arguing in circles with yourself. I've responded to this phantom accusation about protestors. Repeatedly. It's clear you're just trolling.
The death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police has resulted in 10 days and nights of protests against racial injustice in major cities from California to Washington, DC, and Robert Redfield, MD, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told members of Congress yesterday that protesters need to get tested for COVID-19.
Redfield noted that D.C. and Minneapolis—two cities with the largest mass gatherings—still have significant community spread.
"I do think there is a potential, unfortunately, for this to be a seeding event," Redfield said, according to the Washington Post. "And the way to minimize it is to have each individual to recognize it's to the advantage of them to protect their loved ones, to [say]: 'Hey, I was out. I need to go get tested.' You know, in three, five, seven days, go get tested. Make sure you're not infected."
Fingers crossed that all of these people who felt it important enough to congregate in the streets thought about the possible repercussions of their decision and the effect it might have on others including the possible resurgence of this virus.
Right, sure they did
In these protests people are marching and standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER and you defend this which makes you a hypocrite.
Not at all accurate. It's clear you are frustrated by your lack of understanding of the situation and facts, you can't even maintain a discussion without mischaracterizing what someone else writes. You're arguing in circles with yourself. I've responded to this phantom accusation about protestors. Repeatedly. It's clear you're just trolling.
Then stop responding Pal
Well now an ex-Analyst for the State and Defense Departments under the Obama administration is guaranteeing bail for her "best friend" who was charged with distributing molotov cocktails in NYC protest marches. The guarantor is now a lawyer making $255,000 year, and her education was financed through a scholarship by Paul and Daisy Soros. Paul Soros deceased now, was older brother to George Soros, who reportedly said he wants to get Trump out of office
The alleged thrower, Urooj Rahman, Brooklyn lawyer.
The guarantor Salma Rivzi, NYU grad now works for Ropes, Gray in Washington, DC. She was the analyst for the State and Defense Departments.
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I'm getting really tired of these stupid George Soros conspiracy theories. People get all upset and posting pictures of fake flyers. Just another example of trying to discredit a jew who likes to donate his money to liberal causes. So what? Same thing with all these dumb Bill Gates conspiracy theories. It's really gotten stupid of late.
I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in-solidarity-of-cops
Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.
Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.
I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.
With regard to what is going on with these protests.
1. BLM wants change.
Like Defund Police.
No Minneapolis police department. Wonder how that would work out? Yup, I'm done wondering, it would be disaster. But hey, let them try it and see how they like it. How many people would move out and how many businesses would close?
Council member Jeremiah Ellison, son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — who is leading the case against the officers involved in Floyd’s death — took a more radical approach.
“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due,” Ellison wrote on Twitter Thursday.
Council President Lisa Bender joined Ellison’s call to dismantle the department.
“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Bender wrote on Twitter Thursday.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501321-members-of-minneapolis-city-council-vow-to-dismantle-police
I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in-solidarity-of-cops
Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.
Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.
I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.
He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.
They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?
George Floyd Memorial Service North Carolina today. Public viewing allowed 11 am to 1 pm.
Cape Fear Conference B Headquarters
1025 Fayetteville Road
Raeford, NC
Private service 3 pm.
Use side entrances to come in. Leave thru main door. They will let in small groups at a time.
Https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20200606/latest-george-floyd-viewing-in-raeford-under-way
Reporters:
Twitter feeds
Michael Futch @FO_Futch
Https://www.twitter.com/FO_Futch
Kara Evendon @Karaevenson
Https://www.twitter.com/Karaevensin
Rachael Riley @RachaelRiley85
Https://www.twitter.com/rachaelriley85
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Meanwhile in DC, Mayor Bowser officially renamed the portion of 16th Street NW Black Lives Matter Plaza NW. It runs in front of the White House.
Https://www.yahoo.con/entertainment/washington-d-c-mayor-muriel-191300046.html
Https://twitter.com/MayorBowser
Dedication today, as protests continue in the Capitol for justice in the death of George Floyd.
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With regard to what is going on with these protests.
1. BLM wants change.
Like Defund Police.
No Minneapolis police department. Wonder how that would work out? Yup, I'm done wondering, it would be disaster. But hey, let them try it and see how they like it. How many people would move out and how many businesses would close?
Council member Jeremiah Ellison, son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — who is leading the case against the officers involved in Floyd’s death — took a more radical approach.
“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due,” Ellison wrote on Twitter Thursday.
Council President Lisa Bender joined Ellison’s call to dismantle the department.
“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Bender wrote on Twitter Thursday.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501321-members-of-minneapolis-city-council-vow-to-dismantle-police
From what I read they would have small security forces for different things in the city. Some departments like the schools have cancelled their contracts with the police department, also parks and recreation etc. They have these old 1950's like black and white cars and apparently people really hate them. I watched demonstrations yesterday they just don't look like other forces I have seen.
Check out the Australian NineNews coverage of the protests. Unreal.
I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in-solidarity-of-cops
Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.
Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.
I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.
He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.
They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?
If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.
National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.
Guess they are just going to have to come up with a more flexible approach.
True. That is what it will come to. They charged the officers with assault, so my defense of them is legally wrong.
With the other officers quitting the emergency response tram in protest, I think what if the police just went on strike? Like May Day, one day police officers all stayed home. Think people would miss them much?
Large protest and march in KC last night.
No police around...at all...recipe for disaster?
Well...
No rioting
No property damage
No arrests
Lots of signs and chants
Everyone went home around 11
Hmmmmm.
I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.
Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in-solidarity-of-cops
Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.
Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.
I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.
He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.
They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?
If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.
National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.
Totally. Screw that old man. Deserved it.
City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.
That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.
City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.
That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.
I do not think this is true.
Are you talking about the law they passed in April of this year that requires "first amendment auditors" and the like to stay outside of crime scene boundaries while they video?
I can't find where it is a crime to take video of police.
It is now a crime to enter a crime scene boundary that is marked by tape, physical barriers or expressly communicated that the area has restricted access.
If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?
Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.
Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.
The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter
There are paramedics on site, let's bust some senior skull. Got it.
If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?
Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.
Hey, we agree 100% on something.
Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.
The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter
No, your excuse is the type of mentality that causes people to riot, which puts other police officers at risk having to deal with the aftermath. There are a lot of ways they could have handled it in an acceptable manner, but instead they chose one of the worst possible ways they could have dealt with it. Hey, I have a lot of respect for police and the difficult and dangerous work police do everyday, but using excessive force is only going to make their job more difficult in the long term.