Pete Fountain died today too. Pretty sure he must have been a whistleblower and Hillary took him out too.
Seriously, if there was any evidence at all that these people were whistlebowers, then I could take this stuff seriously. But there is no more evidence of this than Trump ordering the death of one of his employees who died to cover up an aligations of rape. It is so easy to manipulate people prone to believing in conspiracy theories.
[Edited on 8/6/2016 by 2112]
Lucas was involved in the class action law suit against the DNC for voter fraud. I don't think anyone disputes that,
Rich was a young guy who worked at the DNC who turned up dead and all the reports o have seen - except for Snopes- is that nothing was taken from him.
Likewise, there have bee several reports - other than Snopes - that John Ashe was to testify against the Clonton's Chinese connection who has been illegally funneling money to the DNC for years. This is not conjecture or conspiracy, the guy is on trial for corruption right now. Lucky for him Ash dropped a barbell on his neck, couldn't lift it off and suffocated four days before testifying.
Ash is obviously the most suspicious and, yes, the other two could certainly be random murders. This could be the case. The thing is, the corruption has been so blatant these past 16 years in particular and especially this election, you take these three deaths together along with the fact that a voter fraud or bribery scandal could easily upend Hillary's campaign - imagine a second or even third FBI investigation for the Dem nominee all in during the election - and it looks suspicious at best. This is a woman who has destroyed nations. It surprising to me that anyone would think she would give a damn about killing a nobody or two that are a threat to her political career
Do a little research. John Ashe was a A former U. N. General Assembly President rom Antigua who was indicted for bribery in a case that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton or the DNC. He was accused of taking bribes from a Maucau real estate investor. He was taking the bribes to help the investors lucrative deals in Antigua. He was not going to testify against Clinton because he is not even an American citizen and is not involved in any way with politics in this country. Unreal.
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I have done my research.
And I am happy to share it with you:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/us/united-nations-john-ashe-dies-while-awaiting-bribery-trial/
And read this as well:
Mainstream news sites even.
I have done my research.
And I am happy to share it with you:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/us/united-nations-john-ashe-dies-while-awaiting-bribery-trial/
And read this as well:
Mainstream news sites even.
Those two articles agree with what I said. This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.
What about this part?:
"Ng was identified in a 1998 Senate report as the source of hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally funneled through an Arkansas restaurant owner, Charlie Trie, to the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration.
“Trie’s contributions purchased access for himself and Ng to the highest levels of our government,” the Senate report said.
Ng and Trie made a number of visits to the White House to attend Democratic National Committee-sponsored events and were photographed with President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. ABC News reported in 1997 that Ng had made six trips to the White House."
You have a lot of trust in some seriously shady people.
What about this part?:
"Ng was identified in a 1998 Senate report as the source of hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally funneled through an Arkansas restaurant owner, Charlie Trie, to the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration.
“Trie’s contributions purchased access for himself and Ng to the highest levels of our government,” the Senate report said.
Ng and Trie made a number of visits to the White House to attend Democratic National Committee-sponsored events and were photographed with President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. ABC News reported in 1997 that Ng had made six trips to the White House."
You have a lot of trust in some seriously shady people.
What does this have to do with John Ashe? What does this have to do with the current DNC email probe? You are certainly gullible and grasping at straws.
What about this part?:
"Ng was identified in a 1998 Senate report as the source of hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally funneled through an Arkansas restaurant owner, Charlie Trie, to the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration.
“Trie’s contributions purchased access for himself and Ng to the highest levels of our government,” the Senate report said.
Ng and Trie made a number of visits to the White House to attend Democratic National Committee-sponsored events and were photographed with President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. ABC News reported in 1997 that Ng had made six trips to the White House."
You have a lot of trust in some seriously shady people.
What does this have to do with John Ashe? What does this have to do with the current DNC email probe? You are certainly gullible and grasping at straws.
You clearly have not read the articles I posted.
Ng Lap Seng is the guy who bribed Ash to the tune of $500k. Which is sort of an important part of Ashe's bribery case.
You have not even read the articles I posted and have definite conclusions about them despite Not reading them. Where do these convictions come from? Blind faith? Hillary's Twitter feed? Kool Aide?
Wherever your trust in these people comes from Id say that makes you the gullible one because it's obviously not coming from research.
What about this part?:
"Ng was identified in a 1998 Senate report as the source of hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally funneled through an Arkansas restaurant owner, Charlie Trie, to the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration.
“Trie’s contributions purchased access for himself and Ng to the highest levels of our government,” the Senate report said.
Ng and Trie made a number of visits to the White House to attend Democratic National Committee-sponsored events and were photographed with President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. ABC News reported in 1997 that Ng had made six trips to the White House."
You have a lot of trust in some seriously shady people.
What does this have to do with John Ashe? What does this have to do with the current DNC email probe? You are certainly gullible and grasping at straws.
You clearly have not read the articles I posted.
Ng Lap Seng is the guy who bribed Ash to the tune of $500k. Which is sort of an important part of Ashe's bribery case.
You have not even read the articles I posted and have definite conclusions about them despite Not reading them. Where do these convictions come from? Blind faith? Hillary's Twitter feed? Kool Aide?
Wherever your trust in these people comes from Id say that makes you the gullible one because it's obviously not coming from research.
I did read the article and that case is separate from anything to do with Clinton. You believe what you will. But the two cases are separate. Conspiracy theorists prey on the gullible and draw conclusions that do not hold up. Nobody will change your mind because you do not listen to both sides of the issue.
Another one of those crazy coincidences tying the DNC to the murder of Seth Rich and the DNC's voter fraud:
Coincidence? I think not. I'm no Trump supporter but Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Shultz ae=re f#$^ing criminals. This country is so F#$%ed.
Since John she had nothing to do with this, yes, coincidence.
http://www.snopes.com/un-official-john-ashe-killed-the-day-before-he-was-to-testify-against-hillary-clinton/And maybe Rich's murder was a failed robbery.
http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/
Keep those conspiracy theories coming.
Snopes? Seriously?
The gateway pundit? Serously?
I'll takes Snopes track record over your source any day of the week.
Same here.
One of the most trusted myth busters out there.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.
Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.
If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.
Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it. Somebody could have met somebody at Altamont and you wouldn't know it. You also wouldn't know if that somebody was living near you. And until somebody like Donald Trump wings through your town and notices that this all looks kinda peculiar, you would never have guessed that you were a foot or two away from it all your whole life.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it.
Not weird at all. Excessive drug and alcohol abuse.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it.
Not weird at all. Excessive drug and alcohol abuse.
And how many of those people were aphixiated by an inanimate barbell 4 days before testifying against the DNC during a presidential election implicating a Chinese billionaire with a history of illegal DNC donations and connections to the current and wildly unpopular democrat candidate for president?
Terrible analogy.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it.
Not weird at all. Excessive drug and alcohol abuse.
And how many of those people were aphixiated by an inanimate barbell 4 days before testifying against the DNC during a presidential election implicating a Chinese billionaire with a history of illegal DNC donations and connections to the current and wildly unpopular democrat candidate for president?
Terrible analogy.
Actually, there is not a single person on the planet that meets your description.
A conspiracy theory without evidence is not a conspiracy.
There are three people dead. All of them worked for the DNC. All of them were connected to the voter fraud issues in the DNC.
Those are all facts.
Where is the "conspiracy theory" and "lack of evidence"?
That is the theory. Where is the evidence?
If there is some criminal activity involved here I definitely want to know about it. It would have enormous implications about the current state of our political system and leadership. But I am not interested in conjecture.
You want to call it coincidence or circumstantial, call it what you want but we know the real deal.
At least I'm not walkin' by myself on this one, some others can see what's going on.
I have done my research.
And I am happy to share it with you:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/us/united-nations-john-ashe-dies-while-awaiting-bribery-trial/
And read this as well:
Mainstream news sites even.
This guy meets that discription.
With all the countries we have destroyed, others we have used dirty tricks to infiltrate, our track record of subjugating South America, assassinations, drone striking weddings and medical responders, Iran Contra, the CIA selling coke in LA,the 500,000
Iraqi children we knowingly starved to death (which then sec of state Madaline Albright described as "worth it") not to mention the millions of foriegners the US has killed or displaced - all during the last 30 years - it is f#$%ing shocking to me that people can't believe that THE SAME PEOPLE who have been in power for all of the above wouldn't knock off a low level DNC staffer here.
subjugating South America, assassinations, drone striking weddings and medical responders, Iran Contra, the CIA selling coke in LA,the 500,000
Iraqi children we knowingly starved to death (which then sec of state Madaline Albright described as "worth it") not to mention the millions of foriegners the US has killed or displaced
You missed a spot.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it.
Not weird at all. Excessive drug and alcohol abuse.
And how many of those people were aphixiated by an inanimate barbell 4 days before testifying against the DNC during a presidential election implicating a Chinese billionaire with a history of illegal DNC donations and connections to the current and wildly unpopular democrat candidate for president?
Terrible analogy.
As you were shown, the guy was not going to testify about anything. If you want to ignore facts, don't expect anything but laughter at your idiotic conclusions.
I'm not proposing that the Clintons have ever been guilty of something, but it's beyond
mystifying that so many folks with ties to them have met a deadly and tragic end.
Well into double digits by now.Again, not saying the Clintons have ever been directly responsible for anything, just the larger
point that an association with them can apparently be quite dangerous (particularly if you
are at odds with them or have information). Beats any actuarial tables in existence hands
down, but it's probably just a coincidence.If an association with someone causes people to want to kill themselves, does that reflect
positively on that person? Can you imagine the grief that Bill and Hillary have had to endure
through the years? They have to be laying awake at night wondering why this is still happening.
More dead bodies. Anybody would.Do you have a similar theory as to why the Dead's keyboard players kept dying. A lot of people associated with the early Stones kept dying as well. Kind of weird if you think about it.
Not weird at all. Excessive drug and alcohol abuse.
And how many of those people were aphixiated by an inanimate barbell 4 days before testifying against the DNC during a presidential election implicating a Chinese billionaire with a history of illegal DNC donations and connections to the current and wildly unpopular democrat candidate for president?
Terrible analogy.
As you were shown, the guy was not going to testify about anything. If you want to ignore facts, don't expect anything but laughter at your idiotic conclusions.
Have a patient and literate adult sit down with you and explain the following articles to you (which I have posted twice now.) For their convenience, I have posted the pertenant parts below:
From the above linked CNN article ( http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/us/united-nations-john-ashe-dies-while-awaiting-bribery-trial/)
John Ashe, the former president of the United Nations General Assembly in 2013 and 2014, died Wednesday while awaiting trial in a bribery scandal, police said.
Ashe, 61, died of injuries while lifting a barbell on a bench, the Westchester, New York, medical examiner's office told CNN Thursday.
The medical examiner clarified Ashe died from traumatic asphyxia and suffered laryngeal fractures while lifting.
A federal grand jury indicted Ashe, a former diplomat for the island nation of Antigua and Barbuda, in October in a bribery scandal involving Chinese businessmen and bribes totaling more than $1 million.
The Chinese businessman, Ng Lap Seng, paid more than $500,000 in bribes to Ashe, according to the complaint.
From the above linked ABC News article ( http://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683)
The FBI has arrested a politically prominent Chinese millionaire, the alleged secret source of foreign money in a campaign finance scandal during the Clinton administration, on charges he lied about why he brought more than $4.5 million in cash into the United States over the last two years.
Ng Lap Seng was arrested in New York last weekend by FBI agents working with federal prosecutors assigned to the public corruption squad in the Southern District of New York, according to federal authorities.
According to the complaint, Ng lied about the purpose for bringing the cash, falsely claiming it was for the purchase of real estate, art or for gambling.
FBI agents surveilled Ng on several of his most recent trips and found that “at no point” was he seen “looking at paintings available for purchase, purchasing paintings, or gambling,” according to the complaint.
Ng was identified in a 1998 Senate reportas the source of hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally funneled through an Arkansas restaurant owner, Charlie Trie, to the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration.
“Trie’s contributions purchased access for himself and Ng to the highest levels of our government,” the Senate report said.
Ng and Trie made a number of visits to the White House to attend Democratic National Committee-sponsored events and were photographed with President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. ABC News reported in 1997 that Ng had made six trips to the White House.
From the article photoron posted:
We contacted the U.S. District Attorney for the Southern District of New York to verify the claims about Ashe and Clinton. According to the individual with whom we spoke, CNN's report that Ashe's corruption trial was set to begin just five days after his death was not accurate: Ashe was only scheduled to attend some standard pre-trial meetings in the following days.
Moreover, the U.S. District Attorney's spokesperson told us that no portion of Ashe's court case pertained to Hillary Clinton. Not only was he not set to testify against Clinton five days before he died, neither was he slated to do so at any point during the trial. A copy of the 5 October 2015 complaint against Ashe and several co-defendants (which involved Ashe's taking bribes from developer David Ng to support one of Ng's real estate projects at the U.N.) can be located here https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/file/781076/download
What do you suppose he was going to discuss at that "pre- trial meeting"? Cutting a deal to testify a billionaire foreign national who had been illegally finding the Dem party for decades, stayed at the Clinton White House 6 times and laundered Democrat campaign contributions through an Arkansas restaurant? Or was it just a meet & greet with prosecutors?
I get some people still believe in the two party system and are loyal to their team and I get in court there are rules of evidence and a burden of proof which is as it should be but you also need to use some common sense and form your own opinion. That is allowed. It is also what helps detectives investigate crimes.
I'm this case you have a political party (and yes the other one is just as rotten Dem fans) that obviously rigged their primaries - a process that looks like it began all the way back when they named Tim Kaine as DNC chair - a Clinton Foundation that is a "completely legal operation" yet just happens to have accepted gigantic amounts of money from parties that just happened to have received favorable treatment from Hillary's state department, likewise the "speaking fees" the Clintons have accepted aaaaand the war criminal wars, my bad, "humanitarian interventions", drone strikes policies along with Hillary's sociopathic disregard for human life "we came, we saw, he died hahaha!" ..,
... Take that with Julian Assange basically admitting Rich was his source and the potential fallout from Ash fingering Senh at during a presidential election where even CNN will begrudgingly admit the DNC "influenced" the primaries. ...
...and while we're at it lets not forget Bill's admin selling top secret military tech to the, you guessed it. Chinese...
.... And yes, Vince Foster, and I think there is plenty of reason to be suspicious. It astounds me that people would not be.
It doesn't help - really - that the media does not investigate this more. I saw one article that condescendingly had the headline "social media blows up with conspiracy theories about DNC members' murder" As if there was adequate coverage anywhere else.
Yes, it IS entirely possible that these three deaths were all an incredible coincidence. I'll never know for sure because there is never going to be a serious investigation, just as there wasn't for Paul Wellstone, Vince Foster or JFK for that matter to pick a few. However when I look at not just the Clintons and the DNC but our entire system of govt - which Jimmy Carter has stated "is no longer a democracy" - I find it entirely possible and given the circumstances likely that these guys were murdered. Probably because, among other things, Hillary could still lose this thing.
If you think "there's nothing to see here" that's fine and good luck to you. Just do me a favor and ask yourself why it is that the derogatory use of the term "conspiracy theory" is almost alway only used when people are talking about wrong doing by people in US govt.
I get some people still believe in the two party system and are loyal to their team...
That would be you?
...and I get in court there are rules of evidence and a burden of proof which is as it should be...
That would be me.
...but you also need to use some common sense and form your own opinion. That is allowed. It is also what helps detectives investigate crimes.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were investigating a crime. Besides, I thought detectives followed evidence wherever it takes them and avoid prematurely jumping to a conclusion.
I get some people still believe in the two party system and are loyal to their team...
That would be you?
...and I get in court there are rules of evidence and a burden of proof which is as it should be...
That would be me.
...but you also need to use some common sense and form your own opinion. That is allowed. It is also what helps detectives investigate crimes.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were investigating a crime. Besides, I thought detectives followed evidence wherever it takes them and avoid prematurely jumping to a conclusion.
1. No:
" yes the other one is just as rotten Dem fans"
2. Really? Are you on the Ashe's defense team or with the prosecution?
3. Uh, yes, I am indeed trying to make an judgement about a crime based on the info I have.
If you really trust Hillary, Trump and/or the two party charade and think our govt is some altruistic institution that is immune from corruption and human nature that only and always acts in the very best interests of its citizens, good luck to you.
If you really trust Hillary, Trump and/or the two party charade and think our govt is some altruistic institution that is immune from corruption and human nature that only and always acts in the very best interests of its citizens, good luck to you.
My comments have nothing to do with Hillary, Trump, or politics. They have to do with the question of whether or not a crime has been committed. So far the evidence says "probably not". The only one bringing politics into the equation is you.
If you really trust Hillary, Trump and/or the two party charade and think our govt is some altruistic institution that is immune from corruption and human nature that only and always acts in the very best interests of its citizens, good luck to you.
My comments have nothing to do with Hillary, Trump, or politics. They have to do with the question of whether or not a crime has been committed. So far the evidence says "probably not". The only one bringing politics into the equation is you.
You have a greater faith in coincidences then I do, so I see "probably should be investigated" (which of course it won't be)
We clearly disagree about several things, let's just leave it at that.
Yes the two party system breeds corruption. Yes both parties are fully capable of black ops. Still gotta prove it in a court of law. When the facts never come in, nothing you can do except get all riled up. Be happy you have a functioning radar and your own powers of discernment. You took the red pill, deal with it.
All the apologists are trying to pin this leak on the Russians. When Sony was hacked FBI investigated and found enough evidence N.Korea was involved and Obama sanctioned them. Obama is not sanctioning Russia so either the Russias left no evidence or the DNC, Hillary, and current administration are,lying about it.