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PorkchopBob
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@jszfunk 

For sure, different electric guitars sound different when unplugged. Not only does the wiring and pots affect tone but the wood, the body shape, the string tension, the neck length, etc, all factor in.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 11:23 am
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The Strat' sound that I like is what is often described as "chimney piping".  I don't know where that term comes from or how to even describe it.  It's like that Supreme Court judge who once said that he couldn't define "pornography" but he knew it when he saw it.  With pedals and other effects, you can just about get any sound you want out of anything but there are distinctive differences in various models.  There are even subtle differences in sounds between identical guitars.  

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Posted : June 17, 2021 11:23 am
PorkchopBob
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@rusty 

The guitarist from Khruangbin has adapted that chimey surf Strat tone into something kind of cool and unique.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 11:39 am
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@porkchopbob Thanks for the new music turn-on!  Kinda Dick Dale-ish!  Hard to imagine that sound coming out of a humbucker!  😉 

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Posted : June 17, 2021 11:49 am
robertdee
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@porkchopbob Remember when Dickey went to PRS? I liked his tone but it wasn't Goldie!  Dickey eventually admitted in an interview he was mad at Gibson for ignoring him is why he switched. 

The first time I ever saw Warren ( had never heard of him then) was with Dickey at a small club in 1988. Warren played a couple different PRS guitars the whole night. One was silver. I like PRS guitars. 

First time I saw a Stratocaster being played differently than the Ventures or Hank Marvin and those guys didn't bend strings or do much finger vibrato but would add vibrato to a note with the whammy ( I had seen rockabilly players do that before with Gretsch-Chet Atkins and and other guitars with a whammy... the standard country bands always had a Tele player) was Jimi Hendrix in 1967. I wasn't that much of gear head then so I assume he had single coils but it was WAY LOUD!!! As you said, that was coming from the amp. The amps play a big role in that. Jimi had some powerful amps to sound like that. And what he was doing with feedback and the whammy was crazy. In 1967 I wasn't sure I liked it or whether it would amount to anything. 

Dickey went ES-335 ( some say it was actually a 345) to a Fender Stratocaster to an SG in the early years of  the Allman Brothers. The SG originally had a whammy and later you could see the holes where it was mounted. Then he decided he liked what Duane was getting from a Les Paul so he made the switch. Dickey swears the 1957 and 58 Gold tops sound the best, but Dickey,according to Joe Dan Petty and Red Dog, didn't take to the first Les Pauls he tried. Joe Dan said the Dickey bought his first Paul in Detroit.  One in particular wouldn't stay in tune and one night Red Dog said as the last song was ending Dickey took his Les Paul off and threw it across the stage. Red Dog wrote that he picked it up and it surprisingly had not broken so he put it back in the rack. Next day when Dickey came on stage and saw it he beat the guitar so hard into the floor the neck broke off. Red Dog said then he took it outside and put it in the dumpster:). 

Dickey had another Les Paul on Fillmore East. Supposedly it was a Gold Top that had been painted to look like a sunburst. But soon after that album came out he got a Goldtop that is on One Way Out on Eat A Peach. A different tone and to me one of Dickey's best tones. Goldie Goldtop, a 1957,  came from a Manhattan pawn shop in 1974. Another guitar with a great tone. Fantastic tone!!  Dickey used it for 20 years as his number one. It is red now. The Goldtop finish turned puke green while it sat in the Cleveland Rock and Roll Hall of Fame so Dickey repainted it when he got it back around 2000AD.  I know everyone knows all this. Just thought I would repeat Incase anyone new and curious about the old days was looking in. 

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Posted : June 17, 2021 11:54 am
robertdee
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@jszfunk  Here is the classic single coil Strat tone for early rock. In the early 50's is was actually a western swing and country music guitar. Notice no string bending and little places of vibrato with the whammy. Like the rockabilly and western swing players using Gretsch-Chet type guitars, the whammy was used but nothing like Hendrix and Van Halen etc later. 

Single coil HEAVEN!! And the guitars aren't bad either.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:09 pm
PorkchopBob
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Posted by: @robertdee

@porkchopbob Remember when Dickey went to PRS? I liked his tone but it wasn't Goldie! 

Dickey had one of the first PRS McCarty models in 1994. They were inspired by Gibson's Ted McCarty-era guitars - fatter neck, thicker body, 3-way toggle switch, stop-tail bridge, more classic PAFs-style pickups. I believe Dickey swapped out one of the stock pickups (pretty sure he used Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates in Goldie). Still sounded like Dickey, but a little more compressed than his fatter Les Paul tone from the early 2000s.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:13 pm
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Posted by: @porkchopbob

@rusty 

The guitarist from Khruangbin has adapted that chimey surf Strat tone into something kind of cool and unique.

My son played these guys for me a few years ago. Different, not my cup of tea though.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:21 pm
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PorkchopBob
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@jszfunk

I hear ya, I put it on while I work, pleasant background music. But it can drone on for too long, suns run together after a while.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:24 pm
robertdee
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@porkchopbob Hey a nice trio Porkchopbob. Didn't you play a Dobro on one of the videos you posted some months back? I enjoyed you slide and played it several times over the coming weeks. Reminded me of Dickey's slide in the 1970's. There is an Epiphone Les Paul down at the big music store here for $855.00. Patterned off the Gibson Les Paul the guy in Rush played. For that money Gibson should be on the headstock. 

One of my favorite Dickey solos on Blue Sky is on an ES-335. Very melodic and Dickey's classic signature style.

 

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Rusty
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@robertdee I can remember when Cokes were a dime, gasoline was under a buck and a Les Paul (Custom) could be bought for around $500.00.  But you also had to walk twenty miles to school ...

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:37 pm
PorkchopBob
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@robertdee yeah I play slide dobro, thanks for the kind words, glad to hear someone is actually listening.

I always enjoyed Dickey's slide playing - very economical. And he sounded great on the ES-335. I remember I missed the ABB on Austin City Limits the first time it aired, but they were going to rerun it in the Summer and marked my calendar. Well, Princess Di had to go and, uh, die so instead of ABB on ACL I got 24 hour coverage of her stupid funeral. Finally saw the ABB episode on Youtube 15 years later.

There is an Epiphone Les Paul down at the big music store here for $855.00. Patterned off the Gibson Les Paul the guy in Rush played. For that money Gibson should be on the headstock.

The guitar market has inflated during the pandemic. I think it's because production of new guitars slowed while demand increased due to people stuck at home looking for new hobbies. I bought my 2014 Gibson Les Paul right before the pandemic hit for about $800, which is at or below what they sold new. Lately like guitars are consistently listed on Reverb for $1100-1200. Classic guitars increase in value, a 5-10 year old guitar typically doesn't.

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Posted : June 17, 2021 12:48 pm
robertdee
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@porkchopbob Hey thanks for the interview with Dave Grissom. It was interesting and very informative. Yes he is a big PRS guy. I like their guitars. Warren Haynes was playing PRS in the late 1980's. Dickey's wife called the police on him and Dickey shoved the police officer and was thrown in jail for awhile so the band left without Dickey and Butch was livid. Very angry. Years later Butch said they should have fired Dickey but at the next meeting the other two wanted to let Dickey come back. Dave did a good job filling in for Dickey. 

It was just after this and Dickey going into rehab that Dickey switched to Paul Reed Smith. He apparently bought two but I only saw his son play the other one. But the next year, 1995, Dickey bought a 1961 Gibson ES-335 dot neck. I liked Dickey with the PRS and enjoyed the Woodstock show you linked. Then from 1997 to 2000 Dickey was mostly playing an old 1956 Fender Stratocaster hardtail he supposedly bought to use for rhythm guitar in the studio. Supposedly it's on the rhythm track of Nobody To Run With on Where It All Begins and a track on Shades Of Two Worlds. Midnight Man I think. But it had a hot rail pick up in the neck position. Supposedly Dickey seldom if ever used the bridge position on his Les Pauls. Boy Duane did!!! I never heard why Dickey's time with PRS was so short. He said he is a Les Paul man for the most part but between 1994 and 2000 he was mad or disappointed as he put it once at Gibson! So why the 2 years on the ES-335?? Maybe staying off a Les Paul was his statement for Gibson. But they finally stopped ignoring him in 2001 and came out with a Dickey Betts signature Gold Top Les Paul. His son Duane has that Les Paul on the road with him now plus the 1961 ES-335 dot neck and the 1956 Fender Stratocaster hardtail. Must be nice!! Well good for Dickey for taking care of his son. Duane has a real nice beach condo in Malibu, California and takes trips to exciting places by airliner with his special lovely lady regularly. Either Duane is making big bucks on the road or his dad is bankrolling Duane to a good degree. But that is cool. The man loves his boy. 

Porkchopbob and others...here is a player who plays better than me AND USES JUST ONE FINGER!!! Unbelievable! 

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Posted : June 17, 2021 10:51 pm
PorkchopBob
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@rusty by the way, most of the 2009 Beacon shows have been posted to Youtube. Here's the 2nd Clapton night.

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Posted : June 18, 2021 10:06 am
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robslob
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@rationalrebel:  That video you posted of Have You Ever Loved A Woman was SMOKING HOT!!  I'd be interested in knowing when and where that was if you happen to know.

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Posted : June 18, 2021 11:54 am
rationalrebel
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@porkchopbob It was real interesting here in Nashville. So many players were selling guitars and amps through various outlets (things would pop up on Craigslist and be gone in 1 hour). I suppose with no gigs they were getting rid of them for some $ flow. Saw a lot of really bad@ss stuff pop up on there throughout the year, even quite a bit of rare collectibles from 50's and 60's. 

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Posted : June 18, 2021 11:57 am
PorkchopBob
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@robslob 

SF 1994

Here's the whole broadcast

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Posted : June 18, 2021 12:01 pm
rationalrebel
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@robslob So right after Clapton released 'From the Cradle' blues album, Martin Scorcese filmed an entire show and it was released on VHS (not on DVD to my knowledge at this point), 1994/95-ish, it was entitled 'Nothing But the Blues'. Most the footage is available on youtube, and most are from the From the Cradle album. Plays a variety of 335s and a couple archtops, and a variety of strats. Let me see if I can find the whole show for you.....

Bam! Here is the full video, 1.5 hours of greatness. Enjoy!

If you look at the notes below video, it says there's a promo version that's an alternative version, with a link. Not sure on the difference, maybe doesn't have the subtitles. 

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Posted : June 18, 2021 12:01 pm
PorkchopBob
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@rationalrebel 

Makes sense. I sold an old Marshall practice amp last Spring. Dude told me that with the whole family stuck in the house together, he couldn't get any work done. Plan was for his daughters to use it as a karaoke speaker so he wouldn't get distracted. I don't know if he had fully thought that through but I was happy to sell.

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Posted : June 18, 2021 12:12 pm
robslob
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@porkchopbob and rationalrebel:  Thanks for the video!  Rationalrebel says the source is VHS but quality is pretty damn good from what I'm hearing.  Someone did a good digital transfer.  One of these evenings I will pull up Nothing But The Blues on my TV and run it through the soundbar, can't wait to see the entire show.

I remember Clapton passing through the Bay area on that From The Cradle tour, he actually played what was then called San Jose Arena (HP Pavilion).  I missed that tour although I've seen him many times.

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Posted : June 18, 2021 12:27 pm
robertdee
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Layla live in 1983.  Beck, Page, Watts, Wyman and others!!! 

Heck they even play the part Rita Coolidge wrote and her ten boyfriend Jim Gordon stole from her.   

Coolidge wrote recently that Gordon, who has been in jail for killing his mother for decades, has a daughter and at least the money that should have been Rita's goes to Gordon's daughter Amy. Rita wrote that makes her feel better about it but she did miss out on hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe over a million. 

Said after hearing Layla on the radio she rushed to get the album and was infuriated when she looked and the writing credit was E. Clapton-J. Gordon only. 

She called Robert Stigwood, Eric's manager,  and he said " Who the hell do you think you are? Your just a girl singer!" and hung up. 

 

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Posted : June 19, 2021 9:20 am
robertdee
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Here Jimmy Page simply blows Clapton off the stage. Note toward the end Clapton gives Page a sneaky look and you can see in Clapton's eyes he is saying " Thanks buddy for trying to make me look bad"

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Posted : June 19, 2021 9:44 am
rationalrebel
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Haha. My personal preference, but I would rather watch a turtle learn how to play a banjo than watch Jimmy Page play, especially that guitar. Would rather watch an interview with Clapton talk about Ferraris really. Just never got Page, and Plant, for that matter. They made some great music obviously, just not my thing. That look from Clapton to me was "great effort Jimbo, I could have really gotten after it if I wanted to" Clapton kept it as simple as possible with one lick, while Jimmy jumps around like what became the amazing hair bands of the 80's...and of course Clapton loves those kinds of theatrics. Smile haha. 

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Posted : June 19, 2021 10:15 am
Bill_Graham
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@robertdee interesting how we all hear and see things diffently. That clip is from the 1983 ARMS concert and I have the complete show on boot DVD.

I actually thought Page struggled with his playing that concert and Clapton's look was more one of sympathy not awe.

Go back and watch Jimmy struggle with the final solo in Stairway. He has sticky fingers like he did during Zeps 1977/79 and 1980 tours where his playing was hit or miss but more often miss as he struggled with his addiction.

He was just recovering from his addiction when he played that concert and sounded rusty to me but we all see things differently I guess.

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Posted : June 19, 2021 1:03 pm
Bill_Graham
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Here is a review I wrote for the ARMS concert bootleg DVD back in 2008.

https://www.collectorsmusicreviews.com/jeff-beck/various-artists-the-complete-arms-concert-no-label/  

 

And other reviews for audio boots for some of the other shows I did not write but tell the same story of Page's struggles as it was was really some of his first live shows since 1980 so no surprise was rusty.

https://www.collectorsmusicreviews.com/jeff-beck/various-artists-pristine-arms-beano-029/  

https://www.collectorsmusicreviews.com/jeff-beck/various-artists-the-arms-concert-new-york-grand-finale-beano-28/  

They played 10 concerts at various venues and there are audio recordings for many of them if you search a little

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Posted : June 19, 2021 3:31 pm
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@bill_graham  Hehe. I was being silly. Someone linked that to me yesterday pulling MY leg about how Jimmy Page blows Clapton off the stage. I think I've seen that before or something similar. 

Yes you would be busy for half the night with a knife trying to dig all the clams out of Page's solo. Clapton and Beck actually look as if they are embarrassed for Page. I saw Led Zeppelin twice in the 70's and Page was okay on his Les Paul. Not sure he even played the double neck SG more than one song back then. But they were SO LOUD!!!!!!!! my ears rang for days. 

Unfortunately Dickey was similar when he came back in 2018. Toward the end of the run a lot of the clams were gone but Dickey still didn't have his old energy and sound. Had to sit during much of the show I saw. Old age, life style catching up and not playing for a few years was apparently Dickey's problem. Page may have been to high to play. Don't know. But it is stunning to see a famous multimillionaire guitarist not playing as well as a guy in a cover band at a bar down the street. Page was very rough on that solo and it was at times one clam after another. 

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Posted : June 19, 2021 3:35 pm
cyclone88
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@rationalrebel:  That video you posted of Have You Ever Loved A Woman was SMOKING HOT!!  I'd be interested in knowing when and where that was if you happen to know.

Jumping in to answer part of that question - it was from The Tribute to Freddie King in 1994. Think the entire concert is on youtube.

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Posted : June 20, 2021 6:17 pm
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"Derek Trucks: Eric Clapton’s slide playing is “precise”, while Duane Allman’s “sounded like it could totally flame out or go off the rails at any time” | Guitar.com | All Things Guitar" https://guitar-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/guitar.com/news/music-news/derek-trucks-eric-claptons-slide-playing-is-precise-while-duane-allmans-sounded-like-it-could-totally-flame-out-or-go-off-the-rails-at-any-time/?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16256518755471&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fguitar.com%2Fnews%2Fmusic-news%2Fderek-trucks-eric-claptons-slide-playing-is-precise-while-duane-allmans-sounded-like-it-could-totally-flame-out-or-go-off-the-rails-at-any-time%2F  

DEREK TRUCKS PRAISES CLAPTON'S SLIDE PLAYING!!! It's precise where as Duane's sounded like it could TOTALLY FLAME OUT OR GO OFF THE RAILS AT ANYTIME!!

Also of note Derek said when he was young he thought that was Duane playing slide on Any Day but it's Clapton and thought it was Duane on the ABB track Ain't Waisting Time No More from Eat A Peach. 

 

It's Clapton on slide not Duane according Derek Trucks. 

 

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Posted : July 7, 2021 7:52 am
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Clapton, Derek Trucks and Doyle the 3rd ALL PLAYING SLIDE!!

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Posted : July 7, 2021 8:37 am
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