Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

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Using a lie to try and get out of a lie doesn't work dumba$$.

Obama cut and ran, not President Bush.
Executive order? Where is your link?
Don't try too hard liar, it doesn't exist.

A President cannot oblige the U.S. in any treaty without Congressional ratification.
Obama wanted his deal to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons by treaty and it never happened.

You are just another liberal liar.

All U.S. Treaties are a matter of public record.

Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

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Using a lie to try and get out of a lie doesn't work dumba$$.

Obama cut and ran, not President Bush.
Executive order? Where is your link?
Don't try too hard liar, it doesn't exist.

A President cannot oblige the U.S. in any treaty without Congressional ratification.
Obama wanted his deal to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons by treaty and it never happened.

You are just another liberal liar.

All U.S. Treaties are a matter of public record.

I have provided you with more links than you would ever read. Well to be fair, you never read any links, not even the few that you post. Stupidity in its highest form. I provided you with a link to the actual document. I provided you with a link that showed Bush went to Iraq to sign it, which put it into effect. I provided you with links that showed the SOFA was executed as per the timeline that was set by it. You have been nothing but a misanthropic fat lying little troll. Now STFU with your lies.

Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

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Using a lie to try and get out of a lie doesn't work dumba$$.

Obama cut and ran, not President Bush.
Executive order? Where is your link?
Don't try too hard liar, it doesn't exist.

A President cannot oblige the U.S. in any treaty without Congressional ratification.
Obama wanted his deal to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons by treaty and it never happened.

You are just another liberal liar.

All U.S. Treaties are a matter of public record.

I have provided you with more links than you would ever read. Well to be fair, you never read any links, not even the few that you post. Stupidity in its highest form. I provided you with a link to the actual document. I provided you with a link that showed Bush went to Iraq to sign it, which put it into effect. I provided you with links that showed the SOFA was executed as per the timeline that was set by it. You have been nothing but a misanthropic fat lying little troll. Now STFU with your lies.

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First you said it was a treaty.
Then you said it was done by exec. order.

But you can't find either because they don't exist.

Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

_______________________________________________________________________

Using a lie to try and get out of a lie doesn't work dumba$$.

Obama cut and ran, not President Bush.
Executive order? Where is your link?
Don't try too hard liar, it doesn't exist.

A President cannot oblige the U.S. in any treaty without Congressional ratification.
Obama wanted his deal to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons by treaty and it never happened.

You are just another liberal liar.

All U.S. Treaties are a matter of public record.

I have provided you with more links than you would ever read. Well to be fair, you never read any links, not even the few that you post. Stupidity in its highest form. I provided you with a link to the actual document. I provided you with a link that showed Bush went to Iraq to sign it, which put it into effect. I provided you with links that showed the SOFA was executed as per the timeline that was set by it. You have been nothing but a misanthropic fat lying little troll. Now STFU with your lies.

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First you said it was a treaty.
Then you said it was done by exec. order.

But you can't find either because they don't exist.

It was a treaty that was put in place by executive order. Are you really that stupid. Don't answer that. I don't want to embarrass you any more than you embarrass yourself in here.

Wrong dumba$$.

No treaty that was put in place by executive order.

Wrong dumba$$.

No treaty that was put in place by executive order.

I gave you the links. You didn't read them. It is all on you. I gave you the proof. You gave me nothing. You are 100% wrong again. Deal with it. Now come back with an insult because you have nothing. Again. 😛

Wrong dumba$$.

No treaty that was put in place by executive order.

I gave you the links. You didn't read them. It is all on you. I gave you the proof. You gave me nothing. You are 100% wrong again. Deal with it. Now come back with an insult because you have nothing. Again. 😛

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You provided no link to a treaty or exec. order.
There is no treaty without Congressional ratification.
No exec. order can make the U.S. party to any treaty.
You lose again.

A few other things Trump has called for:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g

In a totally unrelated matter, Hitler called for all Jews to be barred from entering Germany.

If ONLY that's all he called for instead of the murder of all Jews in existence in the world.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Trump and all his moronic followers should ask themselves if these comments might be inspiring ISIS? Why give them ammo?

ISIS is inspired by their apocalyptic vision derived from their reading of the Koran. They couldn't care less what comments Americans make. It is a serious conceit of certain Westerners that those of other faiths and cultures think as we do.

Sadly, I believe Republican voters are well aware that he is a joke and would make a poor President, but they are going to come out in droves to elect him for one reason only - payback for Obama. In their minds, Obama is a joke, so they are going to put an even bigger joke in there for 8 years simply to piss off the left. That is more satisfying to them than actually fixing the country. The conservative right come off as some of the most angry hateful people I've ever known.

I don't know one conservative who thinks Obama is a joke. To the contrary they find him dangerous and deeply disturbing. I don't know the basis for Trump's support and I still expect it to evaporate once the actual voting starts but your assumption as to the motivation of Republicans who support Trump is silly.

Let’s play help out the morons.

Here is the official list of U.S. Treaties:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/tif/index.htm

Let’s see if any of the liberal mouthpieces can prove the treaty exists.

The link you provided was for treaties that were in force in 2013. The SOFA with Iraq ended when we pulled our troops out. And Bush never presented it to the Senate because he felt it would be defeated. He used an executive order to put it in place. And you are a misanthropic ignorant fat troll.

_______________________________________________________________________

Using a lie to try and get out of a lie doesn't work dumba$$.

Obama cut and ran, not President Bush.
Executive order? Where is your link?
Don't try too hard liar, it doesn't exist.

A President cannot oblige the U.S. in any treaty without Congressional ratification.
Obama wanted his deal to give Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons by treaty and it never happened.

You are just another liberal liar.

All U.S. Treaties are a matter of public record.

I have provided you with more links than you would ever read. Well to be fair, you never read any links, not even the few that you post. Stupidity in its highest form. I provided you with a link to the actual document. I provided you with a link that showed Bush went to Iraq to sign it, which put it into effect. I provided you with links that showed the SOFA was executed as per the timeline that was set by it. You have been nothing but a misanthropic fat lying little troll. Now STFU with your lies.

_______________________________________________________________________

First you said it was a treaty.
Then you said it was done by exec. order.

But you can't find either because they don't exist.

It was a treaty that was put in place by executive order. Are you really that stupid. Don't answer that. I don't want to embarrass you any more than you embarrass yourself in here.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Why should we be held to an agreement to remove our troops signed by a US President? I guess what Mule and Doug are saying is that because congress didn't sign off on it Bush's agreement and signature don't mean anything and Bush's word is meaningless. Of course the agreement to end the Korean War was signed by a US lieutenant general and not even a US President, and congress wasn't involved at all, so apparently these agreements mean more when signed by generals than presidents.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Why should we be held to an agreement to remove our troops signed by a US President? I guess what Mule and Doug are saying is that because congress didn't sign off on it Bush's agreement and signature don't mean anything and Bush's word is meaningless. Of course the agreement to end the Korean War was signed by a US lieutenant general and not even a US President, and congress wasn't involved at all, so apparently these agreements mean more when signed by generals than presidents.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Why should we be held to an agreement to remove our troops signed by a US President? I guess what Mule and Doug are saying is that because congress didn't sign off on it Bush's agreement and signature don't mean anything and Bush's word is meaningless. Of course the agreement to end the Korean War was signed by a US lieutenant general and not even a US President, and congress wasn't involved at all, so apparently these agreements mean more when signed by generals than presidents.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

Of course not; anyone in America is protected by our laws. But; entry into the country has historically been regulated by the country for reasons of security; disease; economics; etc. Our Constitution does not guarantee free entry through the US border for anyone or everyone.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

Of course not; anyone in America is protected by our laws. But; entry into the country has historically been regulated by the country for reasons of security; disease; economics; etc. Our Constitution does not guarantee free entry through the US border for anyone or everyone.

OK, then it is not a citizen vs. non citizen situation at all. Two things about that. 1. No matter how you look at it, it is discrimination by religion. Banning all Muslims sounds good, but there are Muslims in most countries in this world. Do we keep them out? Remember, Trump said ALL Muslims. There are Muslims living in countries that are our allies, like Great Britain and France. 2. There are many non citizen Muslims already in this country. Do you deport them? Do you see the slippery slope here?

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

Of course not; anyone in America is protected by our laws. But; entry into the country has historically been regulated by the country for reasons of security; disease; economics; etc. Our Constitution does not guarantee free entry through the US border for anyone or everyone.

OK, then it is not a citizen vs. non citizen situation at all. Two things about that. 1. No matter how you look at it, it is discrimination by religion. Banning all Muslims sounds good, but there are Muslims in most countries in this world. Do we keep them out? Remember, Trump said ALL Muslims. There are Muslims living in countries that are our allies, like Great Britain and France. 2. There are many non citizen Muslims already in this country. Do you deport them? Do you see the slippery slope here?

Believe it or not I was merely discussing the Constitutionality. Not quite sure the details of how to secure our borders - just the need to

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

Of course not; anyone in America is protected by our laws. But; entry into the country has historically been regulated by the country for reasons of security; disease; economics; etc. Our Constitution does not guarantee free entry through the US border for anyone or everyone.

OK, then it is not a citizen vs. non citizen situation at all. Two things about that. 1. No matter how you look at it, it is discrimination by religion. Banning all Muslims sounds good, but there are Muslims in most countries in this world. Do we keep them out? Remember, Trump said ALL Muslims. There are Muslims living in countries that are our allies, like Great Britain and France. 2. There are many non citizen Muslims already in this country. Do you deport them? Do you see the slippery slope here?

Believe it or not I was merely discussing the Constitutionality. Not quite sure the details of how to secure our borders - just the need to

I understand. My point was that this is a little more complex than Trump or anyone else believes. The constitutionality would be decided by the Supreme Court who are far better versed on the Constitution than any of us. IMO, this goes against the principles on which this country was founded.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Neither facts nor the Constitution matters to Obama and his minions.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Of course he is not and he has not acted for one moment like he is bound by anything including laws passed by Congress that he signed.

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Neither facts nor the Constitution matters to Obama and his minions.

Do you support a ban on Muslims entering the United States? Everyone knows how much you hate Obama and anyone on the left. What of the topic of the thread?

Seems everyone is going off about Donald Trump claiming he said he wants to keep all Muslims out of the U.S.

What he actually said:
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

The last half of the sentence got dropped along the way.

The “government” aka the Obama administration has been repeatedly proven incapable of vetting pretty much anyone. But hey, Obama does not want us to “discriminate” against Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

Which is more dangerous: Donald Trump’s perceived over-reaction or Obama’s actual under-reaction?

Easy. Trump's plan in unconstitutional.

Actually it's not.

Agreed! The issue is citizens vs non-citizens. Believe the constitution protects only citizens. Immigration and travel for non-citizens is a different matter

Are you saying it is legal to discriminate against non citizens? There are many legal aliens in this country. I believe that they are protected by the Constitution.

Legal residents have protections. It is entirely legal to discriminate against individuals who are not in this country as has been done continually. Anyone can be excluded for any reason or no reason. Constitutional protections do not apply to foreign nationals not on American soil.

A treaty cannot be put in place by "executive order" That's what makes it a treaty. It must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate.

So Doug are you saying President Obama was not bound by Bush's SOFA?

Why should we be held to an agreement to remove our troops signed by a US President? I guess what Mule and Doug are saying is that because congress didn't sign off on it Bush's agreement and signature don't mean anything and Bush's word is meaningless. Of course the agreement to end the Korean War was signed by a US lieutenant general and not even a US President, and congress wasn't involved at all, so apparently these agreements mean more when signed by generals than presidents.

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Bush's agreement to remove our troops in a certain way in a certain time was not a treaty and did not have to be approved by Congress.

Just look at what happened yesterday
entire Los Angeles school system goes into lockdown, 640,000 students sent home
over an emailed "threat"
NY school system received same threat -- & stayed open, deciding it was a hoax

so the Muslims/Jihad/Isis/Al Queda/Taliban or whoever the current bad guys are, know what they're doing -- 'turn them against each other, create panic, strife, doubt, suspicion, enmity etc -- they'll implode'

all the talk about the specifics of the Constitution & how they apply to securing our borders etc
it's all moot -- our founding fathers didn't forsee the internet age>terrorism when they wrote it
Maybe it should be rewritten/updated...

what junior high school back in the day didn't have that shit scrawled on the bathroom wall -- "I'm gonna blow this school up" or whatever -- sure pal -- janitors would then take care of it...

all the talk about the specifics of the Constitution & how they apply to securing our borders etc
it's all moot -- our founding fathers didn't forsee the internet age>terrorism when they wrote it
Maybe it should be rewritten/updated...

Nah. It's all the fault of Obama and the liberals. Vote Trump, that'll fix everything.