Didn't he have a summit at the White House after the murders in the school in Florida? He made all these nice statements for the cameras. What are the results and progress from that? What's changed from a policy and law standpoint? Don't expect him to lead on this. In the end, he's $upported by and bends over for the NRA.

He certainly didn't say much, especially about how his constant vilifyng, bashing and demonizing of Hispanic Peoples has directly lead to most of the violence and hatred we've been enjoying lately.........joe

He certainly didn't say much, especially about how his constant vilifyng, bashing and demonizing of Hispanic Peoples has directly lead to most of the violence and hatred we've been enjoying lately.........joe

Proof? Or just more easily cast blame?

“Directly lead”.....

He certainly didn't say much, especially about how his constant vilifyng, bashing and demonizing of Hispanic Peoples has directly lead to most of the violence and hatred we've been enjoying lately.........joe

Proof? Or just more easily cast blame?

“Directly lead”.....

I see you are still defending everything that Trump does.

Defend this: Trump said the Ohio shootings occurred in Toledo.

He certainly didn't say much, especially about how his constant vilifyng, bashing and demonizing of Hispanic Peoples has directly lead to most of the violence and hatred we've been enjoying lately.........joe

Proof? Or just more easily cast blame?

“Directly lead”.....

Gimme a break V, Trumpty and his wanna be Nazi, ass lickin crew (Mulvany, Barr etc) are playing the week minded, hate filled, disfunctional portion of our white population like a cheap piana!!! I mean I guess it could be possible that it's all just coincidence that mass shootings are becoming common place by folks spewing identical hate to what Trump does, I guess it's possible that his likening all Hispanics to ms13, all his calling them rapists, his locking their children in cages without, all the stupid racist jokes and violent chants at his rallies, including joking about the mass shooting of Hispanics, which strangely happens right after that rally??? I guess it's possible there is no connecton??? Gimme a Fluckin break!!!!.............joe

Hitler was mentally ill too, yet history judges him by his racist crimes. He was a textbook psycho, but that has never been seen as a reason to absolve his responsibility.

[Edited on 8/5/2019 by BrerRabbit]

I heard the speech that Trump was forced to make on the radio this morning. It really sounded painful for him to have to stick to a script. I am sure he will lay off his cheerleading for white supremacists for a couple of weeks, maybe. Also, his attention span is so short that after four minutes of really having to concentrate on what he was saying, he called Dayton "Toledo". ANYBODY who thought this jackass even being nominated to be president of anything was remotely acceptable has part of the blame of this constant sh*tshow. They can deny that its their fault, and they can deny that it's a sh*tshow, but that really doesn't change anything. He is a human garbage can.

He was right about one thing: the internet is full of horrible people. The best example of this are twitter celebrities like Donald Trump.

Also, video game machine guns are apparently more dangerous than real machine guns.

Also, Trump said he is working with tech / computer/ internet companies to find mass murderers before they act.

I am pretty sure this was the concept of a CBS TV show from a few years back. I remember seeing the commercials during NFL games. Maybe he could also see if MacGyver or the A-team would work on this.

I see you are still defending everything that Trump does.

You can see it anyway you choose. You see it as defending the President. I see this whole thing as finding ANYONE to blame but the responsible party.

WHO pulled the trigger?
WHO wrote the manifest?
WHO is going to get the death penalty for THEIR actions?

I see this whole thing as finding ANYONE to blame but the responsible party.

WHO pulled the trigger?
WHO wrote the manifest?
WHO is going to get the death penalty for THEIR actions?

Calm down. People are just saying that we should be rejecting language from any leader that feeds into fear and hatred. You clearly just need something to whine about everyday, or troll, or seek attention, or whatever it is you use this site for.

I've an idea. Since zero of what I've written was directed towards you, how about you just mow your own lawn and go take out whatever frustrations in life you have on someone standing right in front of you?

I see this whole thing as finding ANYONE to blame but the responsible party.

WHO pulled the trigger?
WHO wrote the manifest?
WHO is going to get the death penalty for THEIR actions?

Calm down. People are just saying that we should be rejecting language from any leader that feeds into fear and hatred. You clearly just need something to whine about everyday, or troll, or seek attention, or whatever it is you use this site for.

I've an idea. Since zero of what I've written was directed towards you, how about you just mow your own lawn and go take out whatever frustrations in life you have on someone standing right in front of you?

I have an idea.

Maybe you should be the one to STFU instead of berating anyone who doesn't agree with your supposed (and suspect) "libertarian" ideals.

No one with four working brain cells should be defending the orange buffoon over his disgusting response to this tragedy.

Did you approve of his wedding crashing at his golf club just hours after the first massacre???

I see you are still defending everything that Trump does.

You can see it anyway you choose. You see it as defending the President. I see this whole thing as finding ANYONE to blame but the responsible party.

WHO pulled the trigger?
WHO wrote the manifest?
WHO is going to get the death penalty for THEIR actions?

I get your argument, but the legal system can hold other people liable for someone else's crime. Bartenders can be punished criminally for someone else's drunk driving if there is a fatality. I am not saying that anyone else can or should be held criminally liable in this case, but the "individual" is not always the only person responsible. It is not always that simple. Another example is the teenage girl who was recently convicted for encouraging a friend to commit suicide.

Maybe you should be the one to STFU

Right back at you. Pal

I get your argument, but the legal system can hold other people liable for someone else's crime. Bartenders can be punished criminally for someone else's drunk driving if there is a fatality.

The day I see any Bartender climb over the bar and put their foot on the guests head and forcibly pour alcohol down their throats, I will buy this argument. At some time during the evening, we all know when that last drink or shot was the one.

I am not saying that anyone else can or should be held criminally liable in this case, but the "individual" is not always the only person responsible. It is not always that simple. Another example is the teenage girl who was recently convicted for encouraging a friend to commit suicide

I am not without passion or empathy, the scenario described above is very sad indeed and displays pathetic behavior by the encouraging party. Also a prime example of extremely poor parenting....I am glad she was convicted. Let her stew in that guilt as she rots in Jail..

On a side note, How many here know of families where the children can do no wrong?

I get your argument, but the legal system can hold other people liable for someone else's crime. Bartenders can be punished criminally for someone else's drunk driving if there is a fatality.

The day I see any Bartender climb over the bar and put their foot on the guests head and forcibly pour alcohol down their throats, I will buy this argument. At some time during the evening, we all know when that last drink or shot was the one.

I am not saying I agree with it, or that you should, but our legal system can and does hold other people responsible in some situations... not just the individual.

I get your argument, but the legal system can hold other people liable for someone else's crime. Bartenders can be punished criminally for someone else's drunk driving if there is a fatality.

The day I see any Bartender climb over the bar and put their foot on the guests head and forcibly pour alcohol down their throats, I will buy this argument. At some time during the evening, we all know when that last drink or shot was the one.

I am not saying I agree with it, or that you should, but our legal system can and does hold other people responsible in some situations... not just the individual.

I see your point. I would add that nothing is absolute, just exhausted from people trying to avoid responsibility for their actions.....

On a side note, How many here know of families where the children can do no wrong?

I agree that spoiled brats suck... especially when they get elected president. I mean, talk about someone who has avoided responsibility his whole life.

[Edited on 8/6/2019 by adhill58]

On a side note, How many here know of families where the children can do no wrong?

I agree that spoiled brats suck... especially when they get elected president. I mean, talk about someone who has avoided responsibility his whole life.

[Edited on 8/6/2019 by adhill58]

Rim shot...

According to CBS News 68 people were shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend resulting in 5 fatalities. Where is the outrage?

Mass shootings make the headlines because it fits the agenda, but the constant violence in America's inner cities falls to the back pages.

Why?

On the weekend of July 29th in Chicago 39 people were shot with 9 dying

On August 26 of this year there were 4 people shot, The list goes on.

Where is the outrage?

We should soundly reject any leader who chooses to use language that feeds into a climate of fear and hate.

Get out there and Vote!

Do us all a favor and Vote against Incumbent Congressmen and Women!

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

Interesting that you seem to feel that Trump and the right's rhetoric has no affect on any of these mass shootings, yet discussions around the dinner table is the solution. Really? Pretty sure some of the discussions around the dinner table revolve around white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings...although you have stated in many threads that being exposed to such environments does not lead to anything and every potential mass shooter shouldn't have been affected by toxic environments.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

You know there is a growing number of kids sitting at dinner tables with empty chairs because their parents were killed in mass shootings.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

Interesting that you seem to feel that Trump and the right's rhetoric has no affect on any of these mass shootings, yet discussions around the dinner table is the solution. Really? Pretty sure some of the discussions around the dinner table revolve around white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings...although you have stated in many threads that being exposed to such environments does not lead to anything and every potential mass shooter shouldn't have been affected by toxic environments.

white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings..

There you go!...Either racism, gender or white supremacy, the main liberal places to place the blame for almost everything.

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

Interesting that you seem to feel that Trump and the right's rhetoric has no affect on any of these mass shootings, yet discussions around the dinner table is the solution. Really? Pretty sure some of the discussions around the dinner table revolve around white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings...although you have stated in many threads that being exposed to such environments does not lead to anything and every potential mass shooter shouldn't have been affected by toxic environments.

white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings..

There you go!...Either racism, gender or white supremacy, the main liberal places to place the blame for almost everything.

So are you denying that some of these mass shootings are related to white supremacists ideas? Because it certainly seems that many are, including El Paso. To think otherwise is clearly ignoring all available facts. Why do you continue to get triggered when someone points out that white supremacists exist and are a problem?

Two shootings, both white, one right, one fringe left .
To fix this it needs help from both sides of the isle. Let go of 2016 election result and get to work!

I agree, but only one side has any interest in doing anything...and quite honestly there are many Democrats who also have no interest in doing anything. There are a lot of single issue voters out there, and gun rights is one of those single issues.

There may be some Democrats not willing to go far enough, but please name all of the gun violence solutions that Republicans have attempted that have been blocked by Democrats. That's not how it works.

On the surface it appears as though Democrats feel the "solution" will come with the "not being idle" that "doing something" has the effect of better than "doing nothing" and in this case "Doing something" always seems to evolve around legislation... The change has to be societal, the paradigm has to change and I feel it must start in the family framework...Discussion at the dinner table, whatever, but the answer is NOT more laws, just to give the impression that something is being done.

Interesting that you seem to feel that Trump and the right's rhetoric has no affect on any of these mass shootings, yet discussions around the dinner table is the solution. Really? Pretty sure some of the discussions around the dinner table revolve around white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings...although you have stated in many threads that being exposed to such environments does not lead to anything and every potential mass shooter shouldn't have been affected by toxic environments.

white supremacist ideas that lead to these shootings..

There you go!...Either racism, gender or white supremacy, the main liberal places to place the blame for almost everything.

So are you denying that some of these mass shootings are related to white supremacists ideas? Because it certainly seems that many are, including El Paso. To think otherwise is clearly ignoring all available facts. Why do you continue to get triggered when someone points out that white supremacists exist and are a problem?

Yet another leftist term "Triggered"...lol I refer to it as "responding"... "Facts"!...Too funny....