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nebish
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/12/news/economy/donald-trump-china-mexico-jobs/

Thanks for posting that.

Many of the jobs lost were in factories that made toys, clothing, furniture and other labor-intensive industries, which were relatively low-skilled. The manufacturing jobs that return will involve more technology and require more education and training, he said.

"More stuff will be made here, but it won't be by the same laid-off workers from textile and leather plants," Autor said.

PLEASE tell me that all that money the federal government has spent in TRA isn't going to go wasted.

We allow the companies to outsource the jobs, we pay for education and training programs for the displaced workers. The people should have training!

I refuse to fall for the free trade global economy lie. It doesn't have to be that way. Open your eyes America.

Also, Americans benefit from cheaper goods made overseas. This is particularly true for poor and middle class Americans, who spend much more of their earnings on imported products, Lawrence said. Items manufactured in the United States will likely cost more.

"You'll see a huge increase in the cost of living for Americans," he said.

OK, so we won't have $50 mircowaves. We won't have $100 kitchen tables that seat 4.

Another lie. It doesn't have to be that way. Quality products made with quality components cost more and the benefit is they last longer meaning you have to replace less often and maybe they wiill even provide you with a decent job with decent benefits when you work at the factory making a Made in USA microwave and kitchen table. Plus instead of living in a disposable society where the cheap piece of big box store garbage fails in a year and you have to buy another one, we can actually repair things again. You know things that are worth keeping because they are good, you want to repair it to keep it. And that employs people who repair the items as well.

Screw Vietnamese furniture. I mean FUCK Vietnamese furniture.

You can't get a brand new couch for $99 now? Well maybe you can get a job making a couch in American and provide for your family instead of looking at a call center or cash register job.

EVERYONE! The free trading globalists in academia have been wrong for over half a century now. Do not fall for it. How we doing so far? This is not a left - right issue. It is an American issue!!!!!!!!


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 4:15 pm
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Clinton will be the next president

Dear God, please, no.

So who is your preference?


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 4:21 pm
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/12/news/economy/donald-trump-china-mexico-jobs/

Thanks for posting that.

Many of the jobs lost were in factories that made toys, clothing, furniture and other labor-intensive industries, which were relatively low-skilled. The manufacturing jobs that return will involve more technology and require more education and training, he said.

"More stuff will be made here, but it won't be by the same laid-off workers from textile and leather plants," Autor said.

PLEASE tell me that all that money the federal government has spent in TRA isn't going to go wasted.

We allow the companies to outsource the jobs, we pay for education and training programs for the displaced workers. The people should have training!

I refuse to fall for the free trade global economy lie. It doesn't have to be that way. Open your eyes America.

Also, Americans benefit from cheaper goods made overseas. This is particularly true for poor and middle class Americans, who spend much more of their earnings on imported products, Lawrence said. Items manufactured in the United States will likely cost more.

"You'll see a huge increase in the cost of living for Americans," he said.

OK, so we won't have $50 mircowaves. We won't have $100 kitchen tables that seat 4.

Another lie. It doesn't have to be that way. Quality products made with quality components cost more and the benefit is they last longer meaning you have to replace less often and maybe they wiill even provide you with a decent job with decent benefits when you work at the factory making a Made in USA microwave and kitchen table. Plus instead of living in a disposable society where the cheap piece of big box store garbage fails in a year and you have to buy another one, we can actually repair things again. You know things that are worth keeping because they are good, you want to repair it to keep it. And that employs people who repair the items as well.

Screw Vietnamese furniture. I mean FUCK Vietnamese furniture.

You can't get a brand new couch for $99 now? Well maybe you can get a job making a couch in American and provide for your family instead of looking at a call center or cash register job.

EVERYONE! The free trading globalists in academia have been wrong for over half a century now. Do not fall for it. How we doing so far? This is not a left - right issue. It is an American issue!!!!!!!!

_________________________________________________________________________

Just another good reason to vote for Trump.

American goods have massive tariffs imposed on them when exported while foreign product come into the U.S. virtually tariff free.

Donald Trump is a master negotiator and will get us much better deals and stop China from manipulating their currency.

Obama will not. He needs China to keep buying the debt Obama keeps racking up.


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 4:26 pm
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trump will be President. It's a slam dunk. They will come out in droves and vote him in as payback for their suffering through Obama. even though they know he is bad for the country, they will vote him in anyways purely out of spite.


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 5:09 pm
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Clinton will be the next president

Dear God, please, no.

So who is your preference?

In all seriousness, I am at a loss. I was leaning towards Rubio until the last debate where I watched him lower himself to Trump's level. Now, I've no idea.....


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 5:16 pm
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Clinton will be the next president

Dear God, please, no.

So who is your preference?

In all seriousness, I am at a loss. I was leaning towards Rubio until the last debate where I watched him lower himself to Trump's level. Now, I've no idea.....

Sure. Because attacking everyone is easier than defending someone, which is all that you and muleboy ever do.


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 5:26 pm
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Clinton will be the next president

Dear God, please, no.

So who is your preference?

In all seriousness, I am at a loss. I was leaning towards Rubio until the last debate where I watched him lower himself to Trump's level. Now, I've no idea.....

Sure. Because attacking everyone is easier than defending someone, which is all that you and muleboy ever do.

Examples of my attacking people, please.


 
Posted : February 27, 2016 5:59 pm
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Back to the original question (sort of), how do people outside NYC where Trump's been a tabloid presence most of his adult life, how do people even know who he is? Does he have celebrity status from The Apprentice? Is he just some rich businessman like Perot?


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 3:16 am
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Back to the original question (sort of), how do people outside NYC where Trump's been a tabloid presence most of his adult life, how do people even know who he is? Does he have celebrity status from The Apprentice? Is he just some rich businessman like Perot?

________________________________________________________________________

From the same sources as any highly public figure assuming you know how to glean facts and ignore the opinion.

BTW - Ross Perot couldn't hold a candle to Donald Trump business success.


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 6:39 am
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From the same sources as any highly public figure

So, from tv. He wasn't a public figure until he started doing The Apprentice. He was one of dozens of NYC real estate developers.

Check your facts re Perot; he is the son of a sharecropper, inherited zero, and is worth, according to Forbes, $4.0 billion at age 85. Trump, who worked in and shared profits from his father and brother's real estate business before going off on his own, is worth $4.5 billion and even he admits Forbes "over-rated him, but it made borrowing money easier." He's also said he made more money from The Apprentice than real estate.

Anyone have a genuine answer?


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 8:22 am
nebish
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Back to the original question (sort of), how do people outside NYC where Trump's been a tabloid presence most of his adult life, how do people even know who he is? Does he have celebrity status from The Apprentice? Is he just some rich businessman like Perot?

I think he has just always been around. I can remember his name being mentioned by my parents maybe 20 years ago. Either he was in business news, or had a book or one thing or the other.

Kind of like Jack Welch or any businessperson who has just been "around". Some people have just been in the news and mixed business life with books, interviews, etc.

Some people likely know him only from the Apprentice. I don't know anyone who watched that show, but even if you didn't watch it and watched some late night TV or whatever you heard about it. "you're fired' - right. I mean that show probably elevated the national awareness of him if nothing else.

If you wanted to say he is just some rich businessman that has always been around that would probably be correct. I think he was rather well known nationally by people over a certain age well before the Apprentice.


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 8:50 am
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trump will be President. It's a slam dunk. They will come out in droves and vote him in as payback for their suffering through Obama. even though they know he is bad for the country, they will vote him in anyways purely out of spite.

Some people will vote for him no matter what yes. I think some people like myself are pretty cautious, perhaps even nervous about it.

I've always thought that he will do or say something that will sink him, which definitely could still happen. Watch the debates and the campaign with Hillary. There is a very big chance that something happens which will sour alot of people on the fence with him.

I really think it is amazing the numbers he is getting. As everyone probably knows, he got more votes in Nevada himself than all Republicans combined got in 2012. 3 states in a row with record turnout, as Trump says "I think I have something to do with that". So I think it is almost a slam dunk he is the nominee, but I would definitely stop short of saying he beats Hillary as a slam dunk. Although, with such low voter turn out in the Democrat primaries there is valid concern with her support irregardless of who the Republicans run against her. Not sure how SC turnout was vs previous years though.


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 8:58 am
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Right. I forgot about The Art of the Deal. He did make the rounds on that in the late 1980s. Thanks.


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 9:00 am
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Interesting piece by Michael Smerconish on how Trump might be counting on low voter turnout for moderates and Democrats.

The Pulse: Is math on Trump's side?
by Michael Smerconish, Inquirer Columnist.

I'm a genius. Donald Trump said so. It must be true.

His observation came the night of his impressive victory in South Carolina, after I noted on CNN that the total vote garnered by Marco Rubio (22.5 percent), Jeb Bush (7.8), and John Kasich (7.6) bested his total (37.9 vs. 32.5).

My observation that a coalescing of the establishment vote could topple Trump was also something I'd tweeted: (Marco + Kasich + Jeb = more than Trump. But it needs to happen soon or it will be too late. "Hello John . . . it's Marco calling.") Many have since made similar observations. But minutes after I said it on TV, Trump claimed victory in Spartanburg, introduced his family, and then said this:

"So I was watching upstairs and it was really amazing to be watching what I was watching. . . . But a number of the pundits said, 'Well, if a couple of the other candidates dropped out, if you add their scores together, it's going to equal Trump.'

"But these geniuses - they're geniuses - they don't understand that as people drop out, I'm going to get a lot of those votes also. . . .

"You don't just add them together. So I think we're going to do very, very well. I think we're going to do very well."

Among the many things wrong with Trump as a human being and as a candidate is his apparent need to articulate this complaint. And the numbers don't lie. Trump is both the leading - and most unpopular - Republican in the race. The latest Quinnipiac University poll (released Feb. 17) confirmed that while Trump has built a 2-1 lead among all Republicans nationwide, he is also leading in the category of candidate "you would definitively not support." A full 28 percent of Republicans say they would never support Trump's bid for the nomination. And he is even more unpopular among all Americans.

As Frank Newport, the editor-in-chief of Gallup, recently observed: "Most political and media commentators have at this point installed Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner. . . . But this narrative tends to obscure the fact that Trump is the most unpopular candidate of either party when the entire U.S. population is taken into account - and that he has a higher unfavorable rating than any nominated candidate from either of the two major parties going back to the 1992 election, when we began to track favorability using the current format."

According to Gallup daily tracking last month (Jan. 14-27), 60 percent of all Americans view Trump unfavorably, while only 33 percent view him favorably.

That he is nonetheless succeeding is attributable to a combination of factors, including exodus, passion, and neglect - the exodus from the Republican Party by those unhappy with its angry, rightward tilt; the passion of Trump supporters, which translates into participation during primary and caucus season; and the neglect by those Americans who continue to cede our political debate to those with the loudest voices.

California provides a great insight into migration from the GOP. (Don't laugh - the state that gave us the hula hoop, Ronald Reagan, and property-tax revolts is often on the vanguard of social change.) Last week I spoke to the Orange County Business Council in the location once recognized as the hotbed of American conservatism. Orange County was the birthplace of both the John Birch Society and Richard Nixon. But amid the crowd of 700 to whom I spoke were many who wanted to share with me their stories of being Republicans in exile. Today, Orange County's demographics are majority minority, and soon its independents will outnumber Republicans.

Last week, Secretary of State Alex Padilla revealed that 24 percent of California voters are now "no party preference," an uptick from 2008 when slightly less than one in five checked this box. Democrats are 43 percent of the state's voters, while Republicans are now less than 28 percent.

And it's the GOP that has most been affected by registration changes. Its ranks have fallen by 7 percent since 2006, the last year in which a Republican won statewide. Nationwide, according to a Gallup survey last month, 42 percent of Americans now regard themselves as independent rather than Republican or Democratic.

Many of those Republicans left behind are a hostile, angry lot and their antipathy toward a government headed by Barack Obama gives them motivation to participate in what is otherwise a low-interest process. CNN's entrance surveys for the Nevada caucus revealed that 59 percent of attendees are very angry at the federal government. Trump garnered 49 percent of these voters. That he's been able to harness emotion taps into a reality of American politics well documented in 2014 by Pew Research Center:

"Many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process."

That's the mathematical calculation Trump is counting on - that good men and women will do nothing, at least for the next few weeks, enabling him to triumph by capturing the Republican nomination.

Michael Smerconish can be heard from 9 a.m. to noon on SiriusXM's POTUS Channel 124 and seen hosting "Smerconish" at 9 a.m. Saturdays on CNN.

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/opinion&id=370341731


 
Posted : February 28, 2016 11:12 am
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This keeps getting better every day.

Over the next two weeks the candidate of choice of the WP liberals here will be eliminated.

Obama, The DNC, Wall Street and the democrat party elite long ago decided that the corrupt and liar Hillary Clinton will be the democratic party nominee for president. Your primary vote does not matter; they don’t care what you think.

The only question that remains are how many of the WP liberals will be outside of the courthouse during Hillary Clinton’s trial holding signs and hollering “Free Hillary, Free Hillary!”

Will y’all switch form Bernie Sanders to the Hooker of Wall Street?


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 12:40 pm
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This keeps getting better every day.

Over the next two weeks the candidate of choice of the WP liberals here will be eliminated.

Obama, The DNC, Wall Street and the democrat party elite long ago decided that the corrupt and liar Hillary Clinton will be the democratic party nominee for president. Your primary vote does not matter; they don’t care what you think.

The only question that remains are how many of the WP liberals will be outside of the courthouse during Hillary Clinton’s trial holding signs and hollering “Free Hillary, Free Hillary!”

Will y’all switch form Bernie Sanders to the Hooker of Wall Street?

Republicans are saying the end of their party is near. I take it that you were not important enough to inform.


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 1:55 pm
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I'll admit that after hearing Hillary debate, she is incredibly disappointing. Not a sincere word yet if you ask me. Just sounds phony 100% of the time, which only makes her sound like she is hiding something. I want Bernie, but I don't see how he has any chance at all, so I'm hoping Rubio gets it.

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by BoytonBrother]


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 2:31 pm
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This keeps getting better every day.

Over the next two weeks the candidate of choice of the WP liberals here will be eliminated.

Obama, The DNC, Wall Street and the democrat party elite long ago decided that the corrupt and liar Hillary Clinton will be the democratic party nominee for president. Your primary vote does not matter; they don’t care what you think.

The only question that remains are how many of the WP liberals will be outside of the courthouse during Hillary Clinton’s trial holding signs and hollering “Free Hillary, Free Hillary!”

Will y’all switch form Bernie Sanders to the Hooker of Wall Street?

Right. America wins when the White Supremacist becomes President and his real world hooker becomes First Lady.

My vote counts just as much as yours Dumb Ass. In fact, Hillary has had to tack left due to Bernie. I'll never see all the change I want to see in America but the country is certainly more liberal than when I was a child. It takes time but I believe this country is on the right path. Eventually our lust for Empire will be replaced by a new age of enlightenment where voices like yours will not be tolerated.

Go yell fire in someone else's theatre Son.


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 2:33 pm
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The New York Times is sitting on information from January that will reveal Donald is lying about his stance on immigration. Of course hard blighted right wingers won't believe the source. Donald lies more than anyone else to ever run for President yet some blighted right wingers want to make honesty a central issue of this campaign.

Man it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

The New York Times is sitting on an audio recording that some of its staff believes could deal a serious blow to Donald Trump, who, in an off-the-record meeting with the newspaper, called into question whether he would stand by his own immigration views.

Trump visited the paper’s Manhattan headquarters on Tuesday, Jan. 5, as part of a round of editorial board meetings that — as is traditional — the Democratic candidates for president and some of the Republicans attended. The meetings, conducted partly on the record and partly off the record in a 13th-floor conference room, give candidates a chance to make their pitch for the paper’s endorsement.

After a dispute over Trump’s suggestion of tariffs on Chinese goods, the Times released a portion of the recording. But that was from the on-the-record part of the session.

On Saturday, columnist Gail Collins, one of the attendees at the meeting (which also included editor-in-chief Dean Baquet), floated a bit of speculation in her column: The most optimistic analysis of Trump as a presidential candidate is that he just doesn’t believe in positions, except the ones you adopt for strategic purposes when you’re making a deal. So you obviously can’t explain how you’re going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, because it’s going to be the first bid in some future monster negotiation session.

Sources familiar with the recording and transcript — which have reached near-mythical status at the Times — tell me that the second sentence is a bit more than speculation. It reflects, instead, something Trump said about the flexibility of his hardline anti-immigration stance.
So what exactly did Trump say about immigration, about deportations, about the wall? Did he abandon a core promise of his campaign in a private conversation with liberal power brokers in New York?

I wasn’t able to obtain the recording, or the transcript, and don’t know exactly what Trump said. Neither Baquet, Collins, nor various editorial board members I reached would comment on an off-the-record conversation, which the Times essentially said it cannot release without approval from Trump, given the nature of the off-the-record agreement.

Times editorial page editor Andrew Rosenthal told me he would not comment “on what was off the record at our meeting with him.”

“If [Trump] wants to call up and ask us to release this transcript, he’s free to do that and then we can decide what we would do,” Rosenthal said.

Trump, whose spokeswoman didn’t respond immediately to an email, can resolve this mystery: He can ask the Times to release the tape. Will he?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/trump-tape#.js1BLR3Mrv


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 3:08 pm
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News flash: The times has a hit piece on a republican presidential candidate teased by Leftist Gail Collins.

Yawn.

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by OriginalGoober]


 
Posted : February 29, 2016 6:15 pm
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Still a long way to go, but as of today...

National poll: Clinton, Sanders both top Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by gondicar]


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 2:39 am
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There is a full court press to help push Rubio past Trump by the establishment with the complicit media. In 72 hours Trump has been labeled a racist, fascist, and a Nazi all in the mainstream press. Not to mention secret recordings and bombshell tax returns. Two torpedoes that sank Romney so its being tried again in this election cycle.

Inexperienced Rubio is the establishments last hope .

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by OriginalGoober]


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 6:55 am
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There is a full court press to help push Rubio past Trump by the establishment with the complicit media. In 72 hours Trump has been labeled a racist, fascist, and a Nazi all in the mainstream press.

Inexperienced Rubio is the establishments last hope .

Trump has been labeled those things often over the last 72 weeks, not just hours. Although I'm sure the lies he's been telling this week about not knowing who David Duke is has ratcheted that up a bit...

Trump in 1991 (talking about Duke's failed gubanatorial bid and possible white house run):
Larry King: "If he runs and Pat Buchanan runs [for president in 1992], might you see a really divided vote?"

Trump: "Well, I think if they run, or even if David Duke — I mean, George Bush was very, very strong against David Duke. I think if he had it to do again, he might not have gotten involved in that campaign because I think David Duke now, if he runs, takes away almost exclusively Bush votes and then a guy like Cuomo runs — I think Cuomo can win the election."

King: "But Bush morally had to come out against him."

Trump: "I think Bush had to come out against him. I think Bush — if David Duke runs, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Whether that be good or bad, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Pat Buchanan — who really has many of the same theories, except it’s in a better package — Pat Buchanan is going to take a lot of votes away from George Bush. So if you have these two guys running, or even one of them running, I think George Bush could be in big trouble."

Trump in 2000:
"Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. Buchanan’s a disaster as we’ve, you know, covered. Jesse’s a terrific guy who just left the party. And he, you know, it’s unfortunate, but he just left the party. He’s going to be doing his Independence Party from Minnesota."

"The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This not company I wish to keep."

Trump 2 days ago:
"Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know."

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by gondicar]


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 7:06 am
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Whether you believe it or not, Trump stated he had a malfunctioning ear piece and had trouble hearing.

Trump has allowed access to himself by the media and if Nate Silver would do the statistics, I would not be surprised if Trump media coverage ( by his own choice, btw) is at a 100:1 ratio or words spoken to the press would be 10,000 :1 ratio as compared to Hillary or Bernie.

Now the focus is on a few sentences about a guy he denounced in 2000 and again denounced shortly after the interview.

Like I said , its a full court press to bring him down. I have never seen anything like this.


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 7:15 am
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Whether you believe it or not, Trump stated he had a malfunctioning ear piece and had trouble hearing.

Do you believe it? I know I don't, and even if you do it certainly doesn't explain why he'd say "I don’t know anything about David Duke" when he clearly knows exactly who David Duke is and what he stands for. Trump has continuously lied throughout his campaign, it comes way too easy to him.


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 7:20 am
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Have you seen the photo of Hillary kissing Robert Byrd. This is not in the news at all but wasn't he in the same category as Duke . The media is sure focusing on one and not the other.


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 7:25 am
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Have you seen the photo of Hillary kissing Robert Byrd. This is not in the news at all but wasn't he in the same category as Duke . The media is sure focusing on one and not the other.

You really can't figure out why they are focusing on one and not the other? Here's a hint: Byrd died years ago (and before that he endorsed Obama not Hillary in 2008) and Duke just endorsed Trump this week.

Of course it is silly to compare Byrd and Duke in the first place, but if you think they are "in the same category" then I don't really expect you to understand that.

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by gondicar]


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 7:38 am
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There is a full court press to help push Rubio past Trump by the establishment with the complicit media. In 72 hours Trump has been labeled a racist, fascist, and a Nazi all in the mainstream press.

Inexperienced Rubio is the establishments last hope .

Trump has been labeled those things often over the last 72 weeks, not just hours. Although I'm sure the lies he's been telling this week about not knowing who David Duke is has ratcheted that up a bit...

Trump in 1991 (talking about Duke's failed gubanatorial bid and possible white house run):
Larry King: "If he runs and Pat Buchanan runs [for president in 1992], might you see a really divided vote?"

Trump: "Well, I think if they run, or even if David Duke — I mean, George Bush was very, very strong against David Duke. I think if he had it to do again, he might not have gotten involved in that campaign because I think David Duke now, if he runs, takes away almost exclusively Bush votes and then a guy like Cuomo runs — I think Cuomo can win the election."

King: "But Bush morally had to come out against him."

Trump: "I think Bush had to come out against him. I think Bush — if David Duke runs, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Whether that be good or bad, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Pat Buchanan — who really has many of the same theories, except it’s in a better package — Pat Buchanan is going to take a lot of votes away from George Bush. So if you have these two guys running, or even one of them running, I think George Bush could be in big trouble."

Trump in 2000:
"Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. Buchanan’s a disaster as we’ve, you know, covered. Jesse’s a terrific guy who just left the party. And he, you know, it’s unfortunate, but he just left the party. He’s going to be doing his Independence Party from Minnesota."

"The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This not company I wish to keep."

Trump 2 days ago:
"Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know."
________________________________________________________________________

You conveniently did not mention that Donald Trump clearly and succinctly disavowed David Duke in a televised press conference from Ft. Worth last Friday.

Not surprisingly we don’t hear from the left anyone calling for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to publically reject Black Lives Matter, the militant organization openly calling for the killing of police officers.

Both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have pandered to Black Lives Matter whereas Donald Trump openly rejects The Klan.

You seem all upset about "white supremacists", who Donald Trump has disavowed and "black militants", supported by Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, are fine with you.


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 8:06 am
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There is a full court press to help push Rubio past Trump by the establishment with the complicit media. In 72 hours Trump has been labeled a racist, fascist, and a Nazi all in the mainstream press. Not to mention secret recordings and bombshell tax returns. Two torpedoes that sank Romney so its being tried again in this election cycle.

Inexperienced Rubio is the establishments last hope .

It really is amazing how we all see things differently.

I see a media in the bag for Trump. Everyone everywhere the last 24 hours has been predicting a Trump blowout today.

One could make a case that reporting that message would influence on-the-fence-about-voting voters to just say "why bother?"

This year, 1,237 delegates are needed to win the GOP nomination. There are a total of 2,340 available.

Going into today, the delegate totals are:
Trump 82
Cruz 17
Rubio 16

595 delegates up for grabs today, but those are proportionally awarded. Winner-take-all doesn't apply until all the primaries that occur on or after March 15th.

Cruz and Rubio are very much in this whole thing, but, you wouldn't know it. As you have pointed out, Trump gets all this free press...odd for a media that seemingly wants to destroy him, no?

As to the accusations and such flying around, don't blame the media. They have entire staffs of people living every second to report absolutely anything that happens. Primary politics is as dirty as it gets and if you don't think this stuff comes from the campaigns and the PACs, look deeper.


 
Posted : March 1, 2016 8:10 am
heineken515
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Of course it is silly to compare Byrd and Duke in the first place, but if you think they are "in the same category" then I don't really expect you to understand that.

From the all knowing Wikipedia:

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[12][13]

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[13] Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[13] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[13]

In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

—?Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[13][20]
In 1946, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."[21] However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[13]

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[22] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[23] Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[13]


 
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