I was. The Dogers and the Nats have seemingly turned into the Giants and Phillies of the 60's. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

Credit must be given -- Mr. Tanaka, a complete game 3-hit shutout -- felt certain it was his 1st ever CG, it's his 3rd
Clay, watta guy -- went better than six IP of one-run ball -- Curious to know if he swung the bat
The Pirates have outscored their opponents 43-6 over their last 5 games, have won 11 straight & 13 of 14
It was 7-5 w/our last at bats coming up, let's go Sox -- Drew, so-so -- about what was expected

[Edited on 7/25/2018 by Stephen]

I was. The Dogers and the Nats have seemingly turned into the Giants and Phillies of the 60's. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

Thought you meant the Giants obviously.

"Because Dale Murphy Never Juiced, Should He Be Rewarded For The Home Runs He Never Hit?"
current espn headline

????????????
there's a 1st time for everything obviously
read part of article -- yes, Dale, All American father & grandfather -- it was the lack of drugs that cost him all those HRs --

managed to get thru article -- it's an unabashed I Love Dale Murphy piece -- the writer feels Dale ought to be rewarded for not juicing, by being inducted into the HOF -- the HOF mention is very brief, 99% of it is Dale at home, doting dad & grandad

Let's Go Sox, if that has any place anymore in MLB

[Edited on 7/25/2018 by Stephen]

"Because Dale Murphy Never Juiced, Should He Be Rewarded For The Home Runs He Never Hit?"
current espn headline

????????????
there's a 1st time for everything obviously
read part of article -- yes, Dale, All American father & grandfather -- it was the lack of drugs that cost him all those HRs --

managed to get thru article -- it's an unabashed I Love Dale Murphy piece -- the writer feels Dale ought to be rewarded for not juicing, by being inducted into the HOF -- the HOF mention is very brief, 99% of it is Dale at home, doting dad & grandad

Let's Go Sox, if that has any place anymore in MLB

[Edited on 7/25/2018 by Stephen]

Dale Murphy? What does he have to do with anything? Never knew he played for The Sux.

I often post about teams besides the Sox -- because Murphy never took steroids, apparently, the article calls for him to be inducted into the HOF in Cooperstown -- the article was posted on ESPN, found it interesting if not a little lame -- take it easy man, you seem stressed nowadays -- Cubs are doing OK, not Tygiz tho

Sox picked up a new pitcher, Eovaldi -- let's go Sox

[Edited on 7/25/2018 by Stephen]

I understand the thought process re: Dale Murphy. Those who used 100pct seem to be closed out. People who had a cloak of suspicion such as Mike Piazza were delayed. Dale Murphy's numbers per se looked hall of fame quality for Al Kaline say

I often post about teams besides the Sox -- because Murphy never took steroids, apparently, the article calls for him to be inducted into the HOF in Cooperstown -- the article was posted on ESPN, found it interesting if not a little lame -- take it easy man, you seem stressed nowadays -- Cubs are doing OK, not Tygiz tho

Sox picked up a new pitcher, Eovaldi -- let's go Sox

[Edited on 7/25/2018 by Stephen]

I didn't see a link to an article or a quote so I didn't understand what you meant. Just confused. I guess I am stressed doctor. 😮 😉

Regarding Dale Murphy, I have long thought he should be in The HOF. 2,111 hits, 398 HRs. One of the few players to win two consecutive MVPs at the same position.

Look at Kirby Puckett. Same era. 2,304 hits. 207 HRs, .318 batting average. Not exactly earth shattering career totals, batting average notwithstanding. He's in.

From the same time, I think Mattingly should definitely be in.

I also have also thought for a long time that Trammell should be in. Morris somewhat too. Glad to be seeing them being inducted this weekend.

Have to respectfully disagree with the Kaline comparison. over 3,000 hits, just shy of 400 HRs (like Murphy). Youngest player to ever win a batting title. And not that it really matters but he never spent a day in the minor leagues.

I guess I agree re: Kaline. But I think the overall point is the use of PED have really swayed how we look at statistics. Nolan Ryan and Randy Johnson (never heard rumours about either) look even better if Roger Clemens' stats are discarded. 30 hr used to be a big deal (Kaline never hit more than 29) Yogi Berra only hit 358 homers, George Brett 317 and Roberto Clemente 240.

Yeah I think Murphy falls short of HOF. Puckett had WS magic and 10 years at the top of his game. Mattingly was one of the best players in the game, but like Ron Guidry his peak was too short.

We just don't know what stats for eras would like like without the juice.

Ive said here many times. Let everyone in and put the players from the PED era in a room with a display explaining the situation (I think the negro league players should have a similar display. Haven't been to Cooperstown since 1967 so I don't know how that's handled)

Bonds and Clemens would have made the hall without steroid; they were both that quality early on. Sammy Sosa wasn't before he turned into the Michelin man

Interesting comments emr. Bonds and Clemens did enough before the juicing. I agree to put them in. I think Bonds won three MVPs before any of this came to light so he would have been in anyway. Clemens would have as well. But I've heard the other side of that coin, that just because they were good before doesn't mean they didn't cheat. I get that. Guess you could throw Pete Rose into the same kind of argument.

Some of these other guys I'm not sure about. Sosa and McGuire are good examples. I don't think they were that great. They just hit a lot of homers. Palmiero I think is a tweener. He is probably worth it I guess. But pointing your finger at the feds, lying about it and then getting busted can't look good.

Baseball has always been a game about stats and today even more so. I don't even know why they have some of these acronyms nowadays.

Regarding the Negro Leagues, I thought there is an exhibit dedicated to that time. Could be wrong I guess.

Like the different thread names -- was vaguely familiar with the Clev. Spiders -- but not the Indy Clowns -- enjoyed those photos -- there should for sure be a separate HOF section for the Negro League era (if there isn't already), or as you said an ongoing exhibit -- (the Dale Murphy quote & article is at espn.com/mlb
would have to look it up but Philly I think at one time had the Philadelphia Blue Jays (1940s?) -- the Yard Goats, that's my favorite one -- can there be a worse name for a bball team? 😮 😛

Not as sure about a separate HOF section for the accused -- Jose Canseco once stole 40 bases & had 40 HR -- he had a great career -- he, Palmiero, Rose, Dennis McLain, Shoeless Joe, Sosa, all the others named -- they all deserve enshrinement, transgressions or not (not Denny probly) -- & not Murphy for the reasons stated in the espn article -- as a reward for not using PED -- That Is Ludicrous!! he was a good player tho, a Frank Howard/Dave "King Kong" Kingman type

Stephen, Shut Down (it was a 7 year $175M deal, not $127M) -- Creative MLB Terminology 101 -- this time, Stephen's rocking a Cervical Nerve Impingement -- it's the same thing that shut down David Price last year -- that was a good one, "unspecified elbow ailment" -- both had/are having clubhouse difficulties, David w/the media last year, Stephen w/Scherzer now

can't keep track of all the trades -- let's go Sox -- don't see what is so great about Eovaldi, seems about in Drew P. territory I guess

[Edited on 7/26/2018 by Stephen]

Not positive but I think Satchell Paige played for the Indy Clowns.

And Denny McClain only belongs in prison. And this coming from a Tiggers fan.

Sadly, his daughter died in a car accident years ago in Michigan. Not far from where I grew up.

Yankees just got J.A Happ. Guess Toronto threw in the towel.

Like the different thread names -- was vaguely familiar with the Clev. Spiders -- but not the Indy Clowns -- enjoyed those photos -- there should for sure be a separate HOF section for the Negro League era (if there isn't already), or as you said an ongoing exhibit -- (the Dale Murphy quote & article is at espn.com/mlb
would have to look it up but Philly I think at one time had the Philadelphia Blue Jays (1940s?) -- the Yard Goats, that's my favorite one -- can there be a worse name for a bball team? 😮 😛

I had never heard of the Yard Goats. Figured they were an independent league team. Was surprised to learn they are a double A team.

Minor leagues are fun. Lots of goofy things there including the names.

Several years ago when I was in grad school at Michigan State, there was a single A team in Lansing, just down the street from the capital. They were in the Cubs organization. Their name was the Lansing Lugnuts. There was some poll (maybe ESPN) and they won for having the best name. I think it's cute but didn't find it THAT funny.

They have two mascots: Big Lug, a large macho male and Ratchet, a demure female. Ratchet always took down Big Lug. It was kind of funny.

Too funny -- they're the LBS 49ers, and their baseball team has its own name, the Dirtbags!?!?! Yard Goats now 2nd place

Players from Jered Weaver to Evan Longoria, wlkpdia said, have been/donned the uniform of, Dirtbags 😮 -- great one -- also, wlkpddia mentioned "pitcher Dick Nen," he was actually an INF w/Wash Sens --they probly meant Robb Nen

Would think they'd be fair game for the leather lungs at road games -- "ah ya buncha no-good low-life Dirtbags, Get Outta Here!"......

Lug Nuts, a good one too -- around here there's the Lake Monsters -- the NH Fisher Cats (I Think Tor BJays' AA team) -- I believe it's the Lowell River Rats in Mass. -- but the Dirtbags, that's too funny

[Edited on 7/27/2018 by Stephen]

Yankees just got J.A Happ. Guess Toronto threw in the towel.

Didn't even have a towel in the race. Jays are a disaster this year. Prospects coming but one or two 5 stars won;t change much.

Too funny -- they're the LBS 49ers, and their baseball team has its own name, the Dirtbags!?!?!

The T shirt I purchased from the university says so. They had no problem taking my money. Nickname maybe?

Probably a story behind it I imagine.

would love to have been at Seattle-Houston last nite -- 9 clean innings of errorless baseball w/just 5 pitchers handcuffing hitters/baffling batters in a big game that took just 2:19 -- don't see enough of these games

for the 1st time ever, diminutive-dynamo MVP & top player today, Jose Altuve to DL -- they'll feel that obviously, but they've also done well w/out C. Correa -- if Seattle wins next 2, & there's a good chance of it, even w/no King Felix -- it's a new race -- Oakland still right there

Felix has, however, been hammered his last 2-3 starts & now might become spot starter w/ Erasmus (?) R, returning from rehab, their espn website says

We Have To Maintain The 5-6 Games On Them Going Into Wknd -- numerous new players for both teams -- Hanley you aren't forgotten -- Dustin, maybe/mayb not this year

BOSTON RED SOX

Sox Yankees, it's never not-huge -- Rick-Luis Severino tmrw nite, David-Masahiro Tanaka Sun nite -- goin the way he was, Chris should have an inflamed shoulder more often 😮

there are other huge games too, M's need Felix to pitch like a king tonite, they lost twice to Altuve-less 'stros -- word, his spot in the rotation in the balance -- ERA 5.60

Comebacking aces MadBum (3-4) and Clayton K (4-5) pitching against Zack Grienke (12-5) and J.Chacin (10-3)

Again, it's all in background -- hated 😉 Brawnx Bombiz at Fenway on a midsummer weekend -- SAWX -- watta chance to pull away going into the dog days of Aug., doubt it'll happen tho

[Edited on 8/2/2018 by Stephen]

One would have made a lot of money betting that kale and mad bum combined would have under 10 wins

With cueto toast my giants are done. Venus and mars need to align if every game u play has a score of 5-4 and you have no big bopper

One would have made a lot of money betting that kale and mad bum combined would have under 10 wins

With cueto toast my giants are done. Venus and mars need to align if every game u play has a score of 5-4 and you have no big bopper

I put in some prop bets before the season started. One was that Cuerto would win at least 13 games. Was holding out hope all season. Obviously that's not happening.

Giants should trade McCutchen. Who cares if he doesn't clear waivers?

NEW YORK -- New York Mets left-hander Steven Matz was diagnosed with a mild flexor pronator strain in his left forearm on Thursday and could be placed on the disabled list.

Matz didn't get out of the first inning of his most recent start. He allowed seven runs on eight hits in what became a 25-4 loss at Washington on Tuesday, the most lopsided defeat in Mets history.

Matz complained of tightness in his left forearm after the game. An MRI on Thursday showed mild inflammation but did not reveal any structural damage.
______________________________________________________________________
HE STUNK THE JOINT OUT -- "complained of tightness" afterward, what Horseshit
My gosh, these fellas are such wimps -- :brokenrecord,Iknow:

[Edited on 8/2/2018 by Stephen]

One would have made a lot of money betting that kale and mad bum combined would have under 10 wins

With cueto toast my giants are done. Venus and mars need to align if every game u play has a score of 5-4 and you have no big bopper

I put in some prop bets before the season started. One was that Cuerto would win at least 13 games. Was holding out hope all season. Obviously that's not happening.

Giants should trade McCutchen. Who cares if he doesn't clear waivers?

Yes, w/Pablo now out too, row a little longer to hoe for Giants -- but they won 8-1 last nite --

forget Machado, LA holdovers Cody Bellinger & Yasiel Puig did as much damage as anybody (21-5) in their game

Steve Pearce, unbelievable -- his 3 last nite gives 8 for season, 28 RBI w/.316 BA -- thought Brandon Phillips would be a presence too, he's still in Pawtucket

it won't be anything like that tonite (22 total runs) -- 6 runs total, max -- good one, Rick (13-4) vs. Severino (14-4) -- glad they took CC out early last nite (3 IP) -- Mookie reached base all 6 ABs -- Xander (wrist) is listed as day to day -- SAWX

[Edited on 8/3/2018 by Stephen]

Hard to pick against L.A. in the N.L.

And I think the Yanks need to take the next three this weekend. Still two months to go of course but if they don't take at least two of the next three they might already be in trouble.

We won't continue at this rate over the final 2 mos -- Sawx could hit a rough patch, it just doesn't seem like that the way we're goin right now -- but if so, ideally it will be as the walking wounded gradually return --

Rick, Watta Guy -- 0 BB, 9 K's -- ZERO LOB For NY, in the books in just 2:15 -- a masterpiece -- Verlander also had a great game (14 K's), surprised he didn't finish his

it happens often -- a new kid comes outta nowhere to pitch a gem in his debut, like the kid in the NL a few weeks ago -- it's Sawx tho, so chancey proposition for their kid 2day

Steve Pearce Is A Yankee Killer -- David Price Is A Yankee Killee 😉 -- no betr time than tmrw nite for David to make like Steve

WATTA TEAM -- Xander, Mookie, Benintendi -- jumpstarting an immense machine -- Sandy has no backup now tho -- again the baseball gods can frown as well as smile

[Edited on 8/4/2018 by Stephen]

We're overdue for a frown -- they didn't have Judge or G Sanchez -- the kid made a decent-enough play bottom 9th, just shorthopped the throw from deep 3B, gifting it to xtra innings -- also, JBJ's headsup baserunning made it happen too, he was in full-motor mode from 2B the minute the ball was hit -- the ball only bounced a few feet away from the NY 1st baseman when it shorthopped, but Jackie had it beat & Tie Game Baby, Ya
Xander has same thing Judge has, wrist/HBP

Sawx are 1st in MLB in team BA W/runners in scoring position -- .285

One wonders -- did Hanley's release jigger the lineup & somehow open up more options -- also, would Hanley be doing what Steve Pearce is doing -- it's no 2 ways, we've gone crazy ever since

two of game's biggest stars, Chris Sale & Jose Altuve, will miss more time than originally thought

[Edited on 8/6/2018 by Stephen]

Also, I think win/loss record isn't as important as it used to be since they pull starters so early now. Ask Jacob DeGrom. Leads the league in E.R.A. and has only won 5 games! 🙁

[Edited on 7/13/2018 by Lee]

Yep, 3 weeks later, same thing -- has won 5 games, & has a 1.85 ERA -- if not for Max Scherzer he'd be in contention for the CY IMO -- while possibly having won 10 or less games -- it's comparable to Lefty's 1972 season w/Phils

THE PHIRST-PLACE PHILLIES -- what a turnaround, now a battle of 1st-placers w/AZ -- the other 1st-placer, LAD, visits Oakland in a top-flight interleaguer -- A's have simply gone off, them & us 2 hottest since All Star break

Let's go Sox -- hopefully that knee thing isn't too serious for Altuve, the game needs honest gritty players like him -- & like Dustin (5-9) -- both having knee problems

OUTTA CONTROL, that's the 2018 Sox, keep it goin boys -- Chris & Eduardo back in 2 weeks or so

Boy this is sad. How much money does the guy need?

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-former-mlb-pitcher-esteban-loaiza-expected-plead-guilty-felony-drug-case-044003571.html

In 1987 Nolan Ryan went 8-16 with a 2.76 era and 270 striekouts in 212 innings. He finished 5th in the Cy Young voting