No love for Gaylord Perry? Giants great, was awesome w/Indians, then bounced around w/6 teams over the last 8 of his 21 year career
RIP sir, keep hockin up the ball, must’ve enjoyed seeing ‘em get all flustered & upset over a little gamesmanship ⚾️
I enjoyed watching him pitch and how he would get in hitters head that every pitch was loaded.
I remember late in his career he used to load up on rosin and there would be a puff of white powder when he would throw a pitch to distract the batter.
With the spider tack controversy these days the umpires would be checking him after every inning now I think if he was pitching today.
Holy Mac - even Judge’s new deal of $40M per doesn’t top Justin Verlander’s $43M
Machado’s, Stephen’s, Tatis Jr’s, deGrom’s….all those deals are chump change now - their agents are on notice$⚾️$⚾️$$⚾️$$$⚾️$$$$⚾️
had forgotten, ‘der & ‘zer were a tandem in Det
it will be an $83M showdown when they face off next summer in NYC - as recently as the 1980s, $83M would’ve given you ownership of more than one franchise
yes the real-world economics of MLB
lets go Sox
No love for Gaylord Perry? Giants great, was awesome w/Indians, then bounced around w/6 teams over the last 8 of his 21 year career
RIP sir, keep hockin up the ball, must’ve enjoyed seeing ‘em get all flustered & upset over a little gamesmanship ⚾️
I enjoyed watching him pitch and how he would get in hitters head that every pitch was loaded.
I remember late in his career he used to load up on rosin and there would be a puff of white powder when he would throw a pitch to distract the batter.
With the spider tack controversy these days the umpires would be checking him after every inning now I think if he was pitching today.
I didn't realize much of that was BS to get in the heads of batters until I saw this segment about him on ESPN the other day. Heck it makes sense.
I have his autobiography called "Me and the Spitter" I think but I never read it. I guess he was quite the character.
I do distinctly remember him trying to basically hide George Brett's bat from the pine tar game. I have a handful of this baseball card of the two of them making fun of the thing.
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Holy Mac - even Judge’s new deal of $40M per doesn’t top Justin Verlander’s $43M
Machado’s, Stephen’s, Tatis Jr’s, deGrom’s….all those deals are chump change now - their agents are on notice$⚾️$⚾️$$⚾️$$$⚾️$$$$⚾️
had forgotten, ‘der & ‘zer were a tandem in Det
it will be an $83M showdown when they face off next summer in NYC - as recently as the 1980s, $83M would’ve given you ownership of more than one franchise
yes the real-world economics of MLB
lets go Sox
As much as I struggle to understand what you post in sports threads with your der and zer kind of things, 😛 I get this one. Mr. Ilitch (former Tigers owner) put a lot into building a team and having Verlander & Scherzer in the same rotation was something. Alas, both wanted out. Can't say I blame them. Not too many people are scrambling to live in the city of Detroit. They are not the only guys that forced their way out.
The economics are just crazy to me. And baseball contracts are fully guaranteed. Doesn't matter if you go under the knife, you still get paid. Heck, can you afford to go to a ballgame anymore? The game has kind of priced me out. Since I live in Chicago where we have two teams, I have multiple opportunities to get into games for next to nothing if not free.
I have multiple friends with Cubs season tickets that I get offered and my wife gets free White Sox tickets from clients and contractors. Cool. Then you get into the game and you are paying $14 for a beer, $10 for a hot chocolate or a hot dog, etc. Crazy. Kind of the oldest thing with entertainment: get people in the door and they will spend money.
The Cubs signed a couple of guys. It is something but I am not crazy about it. And these are the Cubs that owners were crying poor a year or two ago. Hell, I have to pay to watch them on TV.
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The economics of the MLB is crazy. Small market teams have to mortgage their future to be competitive. Yankees pay Judge $40M next season? Worth it when you look at the season he just had. Then you realize 3 teams' entire payroll (O's, A's and Pirates) didn't break $40M in 2022. Some owners just like owning a team. Or they pay one player to attract fans. Brewers at least try to stay competitive in the smallest market in the MLB.
As ballparks get bigger, with luxury seats behind home plate, I want to go less and less. Parks that are in metro areas make it easier, I used to go to a lot more Yankees and Mets games than I do Marlins games since I could just hop a train home rather than fight traffic. Instead I end up going to a lot of minor league games - used to hit up a lot of Brooklyn Cyclones games back in NYC, now I'll catch a few Jupiter Hammerheads games every summer. Tickets are cheap, concessions are simple, just feels more like baseball.
Oh and count me in for not always understanding what Stephen is trying to say 😉 (sorry bro)
🤙all good b - der & zer are the last 3 letters of the last names of NYM’s new pitching tandem, Verlander & Scherzer - shorter that way - good comment on $40M being enough to fund small market teams - to clarify my post on the same subject, $83M is their combined salaries (der, Judge), that’s a pricey at bat if they meet
confucius/sion say, let’s go Sox😄
Like most big long term contracts for players near 30years of age Judge's contract could end up being an albatross in his mid to late 30's if his production tails off significantly but this was a no brainer for the Yankees I think.
Judge was the face of the Yankees and puts fans in the seats so his salary will be offset by the money he brings in ticket sales, concessions and advertising revenue on the team owned (26%) Yes Network. He is also an above average fielder and a team leader on the field and in the clubhouse to the point where he has a good chance to succeed Derek Jeter as the next Yankee Captain.
Also if you think how many expensive FA contracts the Yankees would have to pay to replace his offense had he left, the contract is not that unreasonable for what he brings to a team like the Yankees IMHO.
Being a Yankee fan I am relieved they resigned him and with the money they have coming off their payroll in the next couple of years they should have wiggle room to add some quality FA's if necessary along with some inexpensive rookies almost ready for the big show.
There it is - the 1st billion dollar infield - Tatis Jr. $340M, Machado $300M, now Xander $280M - that’s $920 million, the other guy is injured
these guys must need to employ many people, in fact have their own fully staffed companies/corporations, to handle/look after their $ - 100s of 1000s of dollars pouring in every two weeks, sharks/skimmers always around, the mind bending tax bills - distracting to a guy waitin on a curveball up at the plate
what in heaven can they do w/all that dough
lets go Sox - good moves or bad we got your back
With the signings of Verlander, Nimmo and Robertson the Mets Payroll is estimated to be $320Mill for 2023. First team to break the the $300Mill payroll mark.
Guess Cohen determined that $290 Mill isn't enough to field a pretty good team. 😉
Good thing he has all that $$$ as he will be paying over $50-60mill in luxury tax this coming season as second time offenders if I understand the complex formula.
Here is the formula's from 2022 and it looks like the Mets will pay luxury tax on all 4 thresholds.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-tax
They also have their first round Baseball draft pick drop 10 places.
Who in their right mind would sign Cole Hamels
Like Stephen he hasn’t pitched since 2019
Like Aaron Rodgers he turns 39 this month - article mentioned the surgeries he’s had in retirement
but now he says he feels healthy & wants to pitch again
sure - he’ll feel healthy until he toes the rubber
why do I think Cole needs the $
let’s go Sox
Solid record, 163-122, 3.43 - twin 15-5 seasons in 2007 & ‘16 - best year ‘12, 17-6, 3.05 - 17 career CGs, 2,698 IP
mayb Nats will sign him - “coming outta retirements, RHP Stephen + LHP Cole = greatness in 2023, pony up Nats fans….” who were seen w/paper bags over their heads last part of 2022
⚾️🤪🤙😁objectively I can see what’s mentioned-friendly about confusion in my posts - this is one - am a sports junkie - (music also)
Mets sign Japanese SP Kodai Senga 5yrs@$75 mill
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-sign-kodai-senga.html
They now have a salary cap # of $349.5mill with a salary cap tax of $104.85 mill.
The Mets tax tab is more than the total salaries of 11 teams in 2023.
Baseball's salary cap is a joke.
Edit: ESPN is reporting the Mets tax is only $76.2mill with a total tax adjusted payroll in excess $421mill.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35229266/senga-mets-agree-5-year-75-million-contract-sources-say
How can small market teams hope to compete. Yeah the salary cap is a joke.
Yeah the Sox gave the same deal + $15M to a new player, OF Masataki Yoshida (5 years $90M) - MONI - money is no object, scrambled - not as scrambled as another acronym, MLB
the deal is getting knocked in some quarters but some ex players are saying he’s the real deal too
13 years &350M for Carlos Correia - when not hurt a solid player who they’re paying to be the superstar they couldn’t sign, Aaron Judge - that’s big pressure on Carlos & he might just buckle under it - like so many of his peer$ he’$ been injury prone over hi$ career - like Judge, has played most of the last 2 seasons
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800 for The Great 8 - & via a hat trick at that
he joins two others at that milestone - The Great One, & Mr. Hockey
Greatness must be acknowledged
fitting & more
w/the Red Wings in town, Ovechkin is likely to tie, & maybe pass, the record of their greatest ever
indeed, the greatest of them all
Mr. Hockey
Gordie Howe - 801 goals
Greatness? at 49, 34-62-96 for the WHA Whaliz (Whalers) -
2 yeez later, Hartford Whalers are absorbed into NHL…
& in his return to the NHL for his last season, at age 51, skating w/players half his age, including his sons Mark & Marty…..
Plays All 80 Games - final season, 15-26-41 -
no one, even The Great One, will ever be greatah than Gordie - 24 years w/the Red Wings - awesome it’s them ‘Ovi’ could tie/break record against -
Detroit will represent Howe & its “Hockeytown” moniker well tmrw in DC
Alex Ovechkin - The Great 8 - 18 years on Capitol Hill w/Capitals- he could be elected president
RIP Tom Browning, former very good Reds pitcher. For a few years in the early 90s he was really something.
Tom Browning, who pitched perfect game for Reds, dies at 62 | KTLA
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13 years &350M for Carlos Correa
now it’s 12 years $315M w/Mets
their payroll is no longer on the charts
where do teams generate the revenue to afford these contracts
oh this just in, Carlos has had only 1 season of 150 or more games
13 years &350M for Carlos Correa
now it’s 12 years $315M w/Mets
their payroll is no longer on the charts
where do teams generate the revenue to afford these contracts
oh this just in, Carlos has had only 1 season of 150 or more games
Mets Payroll is estimated at $384mill and they would pay an estimated competitive luxury tax of $100mill so technically the Mets net payroll cost is $484mill in 2023.
I read an interview with Cohen where he stated the Mets will operate at a loss but he is not concerned as long as they win. Not sure how it works so wonder if the loss comes out of his pocket? His net worth is estimated at $9.1 billion so if he has to make up the difference it is pocket change to him.
Interesting Correa actually is taking a short term salary cut as he was signed to the Twins for 3 years @$105mill or $35 mill a year. He used his optout clause so while he is basically taking a $10mill a year pay cut the next 2 years (12years @$315mill= $25.8/year) but he has long term security now.
It will be interesting to see if the owners address the joke of a luxury tax they have in place now as it shows it is ineffective when you have billionaire owners who are willing to spend whatever it takes to win a Championship. The next collective bargaining agreement negotiations should be interesting as the Players Union will never agree to a hard cap IMHO.
Will also be interesting to see how Hal Steinbrenner reacts to being second fiddle in New York with the Mets hogging the headlines and putting together an Allstar team. If George was still alive I think he would have been in on some of these crazy long term signings as he hated being second fiddle to the Mets.
I like how our team is coming together and hope he gives our young infielders a chance and does not throw money at some over 30 players. There are going to be some really bad contracts for aging players in 5-8 years from now including maybe Aaron Judge.
IMHO all we need is a contact type outfielder, an offensive comeback by Donaldson or trade him for a bag of balls and a couple of more arms for the bullpen and we are competitive with our Pitching staff if everyone can stay reasonably healthy.
Mets sign him to a multi year $300M guaranteed contract
and now are expressing concern about Correa’s medical condition
stuff like this, the SF fiasco, these obscene contracts - it turns fans off to baseball - it’s nothing but a money factory - players get more & more, whine more & more & play less & less
they’re unable to play full tilt, hustle on the basepaths - when they do, they miss a half-season At Minimum, pitchers, a full season or two seasons - it’s happened many many times
everyone knows Correa & all those guys will be part time only - Mets are in for a heckuva 2023
lets go Sox
He was the game’s greatest
now his family is gathered around the hospital bedside of the great Pele - his condition is apparently declining
he’s to this day the most well known name in soccer - even non-sports fans knew of him - was a big day in sports when he signed to play in the U.S. leagues back in the day - get well soon, Pele
SF signed him to a huge contract, then gave him a physical - isn’t it supposed to work the other way around? -
Results came back, Giants passed -
then NYM went & did the same thing - unbelievable - knowing he was damaged goods, a big glitzy $300M signing,
then their own physical - whose result was no different from SF’s
& now Mets too are trying to bail
its both teams own fault - none of this BS should ever have happened - Obviously they should’ve given him the physical first b4 signing him
whatever he has, it’s gotta be pretty bad for not one, but two teams to say no thanks
in the meantime, brittle condition & all, Carlos is demanding superstar pay & won’t budge from the terms of the NYM contract
whats the old saying (adapted) - “if you put the brains of 3 MLB types into a hummingbird, it would still fly backwards”
They couldn’t sign Judge or Correa
so SF signed Michael Conforto instead - 2 years, $36M, so $18M per - a huge raise, esp given that he sat out 2022
best year 2017 - .279/27 HR/68 RBI in 109 GP
also .257/33/82 in 151 games in 2019 - one of two complete seasons in his seven years -
overall a career .255 hitter
Yes Giants fans, Michael will lead you to the promised land🤮 - by way of a good many rehab games
HNY - esp to Willie Mays, Carl Yastrzemski, Bob Cousy, Harry Sinden & all the greats still with us
while rolling his eyes at the Conforto deal, the Say Hey Kid is always pleased to see the Yastrzemski name in the lineup - he told Carl that himself when Mike Yastrzemski found a home in SF
wait til next year, wait….⚾️
whatever he has, it’s gotta be pretty bad for not one, but two teams to say no thanks
in the meantime, brittle condition & all, Carlos is demanding superstar pay & won’t budge from the terms of the NYM contract
whats the old saying (adapted) - “if you put the brains of 3 MLB types into a hummingbird, it would still fly backwards”
MNTwins love Carlos & he loves the Twins
sure enough he got what he wanted - 6 years $200M according to press reports - so about $32M per or so - putting him in top 10 of highest paid
Miguel Cabrera will make that much also (IIRC) - it’s his last year & all should cheer him in the AL the way they did for Pujols last year in the NL
Judge, Stephen, Tatis, Machado, the pitchers….they’re in top 10 too -
will be interesting to see how Conforto, Tatis, Stephen, Chris, others do after so much time off - Severino returned after 3 years off last year
JD a great player for us & good luck to him - Eovaldi gone also - the usual coming>going of FAs etc…..
the Sawx - Red Sox Nation - watta team - no Story is no story, we’ll be great
Very sad news about Tim McCarver passing away. I have always liked him as an announcer. And he had an exceptional playing career as well. He has told some funny stories about dealing with Bob Gibson.
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Former NYM pitching coach Phil Regan is suing the Mets claiming he was fired b/c of old age
will be interesting to see how/where this goes - it may go nowhere, or could make for interesting legal arguments, the AARP, MLB itself….
baseball is as American as apple pie & who knows, maybe the president himself will stick up for his fellow elder ⚾️ hehe - Mets did have good pitching stats under Regan, article said
Has anyone caught (no pun intended) any games yet this winter? Curious what people think of the rule changes. I like the timer thing. I don't need to see a pitcher pacing around the mound, the batters stepping out after EVERY pitch to adjust their gloves, helmet, crotch, whatever. Even if they don't swing the bat.
I really like the fact that two players need to be on each side of second base.
I watched a bit yesterday and I enjoyed the pace. Don't need to see a four hour Yankee/Red Sux game.
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game ends in a 6-6 tie on bases-loaded clock violation - I dunno - it’ll have some growing pains - at least spring training is the right time to work out the kinks & fine-tune the new rules - mayb some will be scrapped if they prove overbearing
like the idea of it, as you said too many games go so slow as to lose people - yes 4 hrs for 9 innings is ludicrous
however - the advertising revenue the slow pace/longer games generates, can’t be $neezed at either
”Abner Doubleday is rolling in his grave”
vis a vis
”the games ARE too slow, it’s the right thing to try”….
in any case the clock rule woulda ended the career of Mike “The Human Rain Delay” Hargrove
Well obviously there will be no ties in the regular season. Spring training games are often called if the teams don't want to go to extras so I think that is moot.
And yes, spring training is the time to do this. I read where some managers and coaches are reaching out to guys in the minor leagues to get their take on it just because some have been through it. I do wonder if maybe they threw too much stuff out there at the same time. But I'm sure people will adapt.
And you are right about Hargrove. My God, watching him bat was awful.
You mentioned the dollars to advertisers. Another is dollars to the teams. Say a game is 45 minutes shorter. Less time for people to pay for overpriced beer and hot dogs...
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You mentioned the dollars to advertisers. Another is dollars to the teams. Say a game is 45 minutes shorter. Less time for people to pay for overpriced beer and hot dogs...
good point🤙 -
good hearing a live report that it was a steady/enjoyable pace - anything to key up the flow of the game - will still be a lotta pitching changes but no complaints (yet😮🤙⚾️)
I think I found a new favorite team:
The Rocket City Trash Pandas!
Double A team of the Angels. What a name!
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