Hey, OG, how about those gas prices the last few months? 😉

Hey, OG, how about those gas prices the last few months? 😉

Or the economy growing and unemployment cut close to in half during his 6 years despite the trainwreck he was handed by Bush. I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Not that Polls are conclusive but Obama is rated one of the better even higher then Saint Reagan, 15 out of 44, while Bush is near the bottom of the barrel.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/07/02/survey-ranks-obama-15th-best-president-bush-among-worst?int=99c608
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[Edited on 2/4/2015 by Bill_Graham]

I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Different perspectives and different points of view everywhere. Go about things the best you can and remember that no one is going to change anyone's mind, that's the stance I've adopted.

I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Different perspectives and different points of view everywhere. Go about things the best you can and remember that no one is going to change anyone's mind, that's the stance I've adopted.

No doubt Bhawk but it still amazes me that anyone would think Bush was a better President then Obama no matter how much they may hate him. History tell us differently.

I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Different perspectives and different points of view everywhere. Go about things the best you can and remember that no one is going to change anyone's mind, that's the stance I've adopted.

No doubt Bhawk but it still amazes me that anyone would think Bush was a better President then Obama no matter how much they may hate him. History tell us differently.

History does not tell us differently; Obama is still in office. 50 years from now, in the dispassionate and more objective light of reflection and examination, within the context of time before and after their presidencies, history will tell us something about both Presidents. But not today. Today is all about our personal perspectives and opinions.

I don't disagree Doug in that Obama's rating might likely go down just as Bush's did after he left office but unless the country melts down in the next couple of years I find it hard to believe Obama will be rated as badly as Bush.

I am biased as a Democrat but I will acknowledge Obama is far from perfect but can't see him being viewed as badly as G Dubya.

I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Somebody slept during the first seven.

 

I don't disagree Doug in that Obama's rating might likely go down just as Bush's did after he left office but unless the country melts down in the next couple of years I find it hard to believe Obama will be rated as badly as Bush.

I am biased as a Democrat but I will acknowledge Obama is far from perfect but can't see him being viewed as badly as G Dubya.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to say Bush will be rated as "better" than Obama, or vice versa. I'm just saying we can't know today how either one of them will look in the context of historical perspective. We could possibly find out they both suck. 😛

I don't disagree Doug in that Obama's rating might likely go down just as Bush's did after he left office but unless the country melts down in the next couple of years I find it hard to believe Obama will be rated as badly as Bush.

I am biased as a Democrat but I will acknowledge Obama is far from perfect but can't see him being viewed as badly as G Dubya.

Truman left office in 1953 more reviled than Bush was and generally considered to be a total failure. Today he is almost universally regarded as one of the finest presidents. That is what Doug means by historical perspective.

The only one who ever used the word banned is you. You have no evidence to support your assertions that dislike of Obama is based in racism.

So what? And the bashers have no evidence to support their criticisms of Obama, but that seems to be ok with you. It's my opinion that some of the bashing is based on race. It is my opinion that some people who bash him have a problem with a black person in charge making decisions. If that's too much for you to handle reading, then I don't know what to tell you.

It is impossible to defend against the accusation on the standards you set up. It's deeply unfair and if you are going to do that (which is your right) I am not going to discuss anything with you anymore. If you want to talk about the issues that matter lets do that.

It's not impossible at all. He could simply deny it, which he hasn't done. And I know you don't agree, but it's no more unfair then the baseless bashing and criticism of every single word and action.

I will say this one final time and I will never say it again. Millions of Americans dislike Obama. Millions of Americans dislike Obama for reasons having nothing to do with the color of his skin. Some Americans are racist. You have no evidence that a single person on this board dislikes Obama for reasons to do with the color of his skin whether their dislike is rational or not. It's possible we dislike him because we are radical conservatives and he is a liberal. I am not saying its true but it is certainly more likely to be true than your empty assertion that decent people are racists. Calling us racists is a dirty dirty insult. If you can't see that then we are done discussing anything.

First of all, who is "us"? And how do you know everyone is decent? Because they come on this website? My comment in this thread was about OriginalGoober who never mentions anything political about him, just vicious attacks, which is just as dirty as anything I've said. But I will show some humility, unlike any conservative on this site ever has....I will apologize for singling out a specific person. I can admit that it was wrong, so I apologize to OriginalGoober.

But I will never apologize for the assertion that I believe race plays a role in some conservatives' hatred towards him. I certainly have a right to say that, and there's plenty of proof in my own circle of people in my life to know for a fact that race is a factor in their hatred. Again, if that's too much for you to handle, then I suggest you stop reading, watching TV, going on the internet, watching movies.....heck just stay inside.

Hey Boyton i accept your apology. Things can get heated around here but my criticisms of Pres. Obama have zero to do with the color of his skin. He is a terrible leader and unfortunately it took over 4 years to figure that out for myself (yes I am admitting I did not vote for Romney). Now we have the disaster called Obamacare which passed in 2010 but "You can keep your doctor" bs was revealed in 2014 and it was too late to do anything about the mistake in the white house. I have concluded he is the worst President in my adulthood (I'm 45) and this is even before he wanted to tax my 529 savings plans to give people who havent saved a penny my money to reward them for being irresponsible while I have sacraficed and have done without to contribute. Thank God Congress told him to keep his socalist hands away from this money.

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

I will never understand how anyone can say he is the worst President in their lifetime after the 8 year horror show we suffered with Bush.

Somebody slept during the first seven.

Most likely it was Bush which is why Cheney ran the government. 😛

 

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

How do you infer that Pops is denying that mere weeks ago the White House proposed to tax 529 savings plan? He said they are not doing it and that Obama is not a Socialist.

You sound desperate.

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

How do you infer that Pops is denying that mere weeks ago the White House proposed to tax 529 savings plan? He said they are not doing it and that Obama is not a Socialist.

You sound desperate.

Considering how the GOP continues to want to cut social plans that help the poor conservatives while Obama is proposing taxing the rich, giving the middle class tax breaks, and free college education Conservatives are really are grasping at straws to find fault with Obama's plans.

[Edited on 2/5/2015 by Bill_Graham]

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

How do you infer that Pops is denying that mere weeks ago the White House proposed to tax 529 savings plan? He said they are not doing it and that Obama is not a Socialist.

You sound desperate.

Considering how the GOP continues to want to cut social plans that help the poor conservatives while Obama is proposing taxing the rich, giving the middle class tax breaks, and free college education Conservatives are really are grasping at straws to find fault with Obama's plans.

[Edited on 2/5/2015 by Bill_Graham]

obamas plans make perfect sense once you understand when he says "middle class" he really means the working poor and when he spouts that he will tax the "wealthy" he really means the middle class. Just remember his pizza story on the state of the union, how does that relate to the middle class, it doesnt. A more realistic example of the economy improving for the middle class is buying a third car, or going to Hawaii on vacation, not buying a pizza. The guy is a sociallist.

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

How do you infer that Pops is denying that mere weeks ago the White House proposed to tax 529 savings plan? He said they are not doing it and that Obama is not a Socialist.

You sound desperate.

Considering how the GOP continues to want to cut social plans that help the poor conservatives while Obama is proposing taxing the rich, giving the middle class tax breaks, and free college education Conservatives are really are grasping at straws to find fault with Obama's plans.

[Edited on 2/5/2015 by Bill_Graham]

Are you actually serious? The 529 tax plan would directly hurt me and the entire middle class while harming neither the rich who don't rely on the tax break or the poor who get financial aid anyway. That's why he was forced to drop it. Sheesh.

Furtherance of this discussion, IMO, would best be served with a generally agreed upon definition of "middle class," which is not that easy.

Furtherance of this discussion, IMO, would best be served with a generally agreed upon definition of "middle class," which is not that easy.

To me the basic definition of middle class is you can lead a decent lifestyle but struggle to maintain it.

Here's what you need to make to be in the top 1% by State. Follow the link to see median incomes.

Anybody close?

http://www.businessinsider.com/one-percent-state-map-2014-9

[Edited on 2/6/2015 by BillyBlastoff]

Here's what you need to make to be in the top 1% by State. Follow the link to see median incomes.

Anybody close?

Not me (Maine), but I'm doing pretty well compared to the median (solidly in the middle class) and live in the city that is #4 on the list of having "the most desirable people" in the country, so don't feel too bad for me. 😛

Looking at the top 1% and ranking the top states from highest to lowest, they top 5 were pretty much what I would have expected, but #6 surprised me a little...until I started thinking about the reason...

1. DC $688
2. CT $642
3. NY $511
4. NJ $504
5. MA $499
6. ND $455

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The median in Virginia is $61,741. The top 1% are bringing down slightly more than 7X that amount.

Life is good in Northern Virginia.

Here's what you need to make to be in the top 1% by State. Follow the link to see median incomes.

Anybody close?

Not me (Maine), but I'm doing pretty well compared to the median (solidly in the middle class) and live in the city that is #4 on the list of having "the most desirable people" in the country, so don't feel too bad for me. 😛

Looking at the top 1% and ranking the top states from highest to lowest, they top 5 were pretty much what I would have expected, but #6 surprised me a little...until I started thinking about the reason...

1. DC $688
2. CT $642
3. NY $511
4. NJ $504
5. MA $499
6. ND $455

[Edited on 2/6/2015 by gondicar]

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The Federal Government is by far the largest employer in the DC Metro area where the average salary is $110,700 per year.

They are also the most useless and incompetent employees.

The Federal Government is by far the largest employer in the DC Metro area where the average salary is $110,700 per year.

They are also the most useless and incompetent employees.

Really? How patriotic of you. I'd like you to say that to the face of any of the commendable, upstanding, well read and educated Federal workers that I have the pleasure of knowing.

Are you spewing that vile contemptible hate from envy or ignorance?

The Federal Government is by far the largest employer in the DC Metro area where the average salary is $110,700 per year.

Whereas, the average salary of the folks paying them is about half that amount. Something
wrong with that picture.

obama is not taxing 529 savings plans nor is he a socialist,
glueber

He proposed to. Are you denying that mere weeks ago he proposed to?

How do you infer that Pops is denying that mere weeks ago the White House proposed to tax 529 savings plan? He said they are not doing it and that Obama is not a Socialist.

You sound desperate.

Considering how the GOP continues to want to cut social plans that help the poor conservatives while Obama is proposing taxing the rich, giving the middle class tax breaks, and free college education Conservatives are really are grasping at straws to find fault with Obama's plans.

[Edited on 2/5/2015 by Bill_Graham]

Are you actually serious? The 529 tax plan would directly hurt me and the entire middle class while harming neither the rich who don't rely on the tax break or the poor who get financial aid anyway. That's why he was forced to drop it. Sheesh.

You are absolutely clueless. Or, you hatred for our black president clouds your ,ind.

Fact. 100,700 p/a.
I left out the particulars in my original post because giving liberals detailed information just confuses them.. Too often the liberals just call you a racist and run home crying.

The particulars:

Salary, bonuses, expense reimbursement, other compensation, perks & privileges according to the Progressive Policy Institute Washington (a liberal think tank).