Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of sh*t and hatred. It pours out in every post and you actually think you fool anyone. If you can not be honest with yourself, what is the point of posting?
Look in the mirror and admit that you hate every Muslim and want them dead. It would liberate you and we all know it already.
If Hamas made a similar film that would justify rolling in the tanks in your opinion.
You are funny, pathetic and sad. Feel sorry for you as all that anger and hate is just not healthy. You would defend a Muslim's rights - funniest statement on here in a long time. How many Muslims are in North Korea anyway? Doesn't stop you from making it about them. Let go of that anger. Thanks again for the laugh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are deeply mentally ill dude. Everyone on this site knows it. You insult fight and put down everybody all the time. Talk about transference. Life is too short to deal with a mental case like you so do me a favor. Don't respond to my posts and I sure as hell will not respond to yours. Goodbye.
Comical coming from the guy who fights on here daily. After all these years, I still haven't seen you actually win a round against anyone. Explains all the punch drunk moronic statements though.
Tell me about insults and then call the next person to disagree with you a name.
What you really mean is "Life is too short to be proven wrong over and over."
Tell us again how 75% of those killed in Palestine are terrorists. I would say that was the stupidest thing ever written on this forum except that you have said plenty of others.
So how many Muslims are in North Korea again? Amazing how you can turn every thread into Muslim hatred regardless of subject matter.
Look in a mirror and at least admit to yourself how you feel and what you are.
As for where and when I post, that is really my concern. Would be easier to steer clear of you if the posts were not so moronic and comical. Maybe you could try and work on that.
Tell us again how you would defend Muslim rights. Still laughing that you would actually try and sell that one. Almost as good as stating that 75% of the children, woman, seniors and civilians murdered by Israel's last major assaults were terrorists. Thousands of them. Pure intelligence and no hatred at all in a statement like that. As usual not a grain of fact.
Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of sh*t and hatred. It pours out in every post and you actually think you fool anyone. If you can not be honest with yourself, what is the point of posting?
Look in the mirror and admit that you hate every Muslim and want them dead. It would liberate you and we all know it already.
If Hamas made a similar film that would justify rolling in the tanks in your opinion.
You are funny, pathetic and sad. Feel sorry for you as all that anger and hate is just not healthy. You would defend a Muslim's rights - funniest statement on here in a long time. How many Muslims are in North Korea anyway? Doesn't stop you from making it about them. Let go of that anger. Thanks again for the laugh.
More than a tad extreme and way out of line.
But accurate,
No it's not accurate jerk off. And the fact that you would extrapolate such nonsense from anything I write demonstrates you are as mentally ill as he is. This is why discourse in this country can no longer exist.
Discourse in this country can no longer exist as long as we have people who are experts on everything and look down on those who disagree with them as being mentally inferior. I think that sums you up.
I think you are wrong.
Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of sh*t and hatred. It pours out in every post and you actually think you fool anyone. If you can not be honest with yourself, what is the point of posting?
Look in the mirror and admit that you hate every Muslim and want them dead. It would liberate you and we all know it already.
If Hamas made a similar film that would justify rolling in the tanks in your opinion.
You are funny, pathetic and sad. Feel sorry for you as all that anger and hate is just not healthy. You would defend a Muslim's rights - funniest statement on here in a long time. How many Muslims are in North Korea anyway? Doesn't stop you from making it about them. Let go of that anger. Thanks again for the laugh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are deeply mentally ill dude. Everyone on this site knows it. You insult fight and put down everybody all the time. Talk about transference. Life is too short to deal with a mental case like you so do me a favor. Don't respond to my posts and I sure as hell will not respond to yours. Goodbye.
Comical coming from the guy who fights on here daily. After all these years, I still haven't seen you actually win a round against anyone. Explains all the punch drunk moronic statements though.
Tell me about insults and then call the next person to disagree with you a name.
What you really mean is "Life is too short to be proven wrong over and over."
Tell us again how 75% of those killed in Palestine are terrorists. I would say that was the stupidest thing ever written on this forum except that you have said plenty of others.
So how many Muslims are in North Korea again? Amazing how you can turn every thread into Muslim hatred regardless of subject matter.
Look in a mirror and at least admit to yourself how you feel and what you are.
As for where and when I post, that is really my concern. Would be easier to steer clear of you if the posts were not so moronic and comical. Maybe you could try and work on that.
Tell us again how you would defend Muslim rights. Still laughing that you would actually try and sell that one. Almost as good as stating that 75% of the children, woman, seniors and civilians murdered by Israel's last major assaults were terrorists. Thousands of them. Pure intelligence and no hatred at all in a statement like that. As usual not a grain of fact.
I fight with no one except you jackass because you are a troll and clearly and anti-semite to boot. I couldn't care less excpet I pity anyone who has to know you in actual life. This is notice that I will not be responding to your insanity anymore. Feel free to post whatever trollish crap you want but I will not respond. You are persona non grata. Goodbye fool.
I fight with no one except you jackass because you are a troll and clearly and anti-semite to boot.
There it is. I knew it was coming.
I'm pretty darn good friends with a rabbi who abhors the actions of the Israeli government. Is he an anti-semite as well?
There is a big difference between hating all jews and wanting the war criminals that run the Israeli government prosecuted and punished.
LMAO
You fight here every day and have for years. Not very good at it but you do. Look at the history of your posts. But don't worry about facts now as you never have before and it never stops you from even more foolish comments such as the children killed were terrorists.
You just hate being proven wrong over and over. That is not a complicated act as you self destruct anyway. Comical to watch people bury you in debate over and over and even funnier that you claim I am the only one. Even while calling others names in this same thread. Delusional.
The fact that I disagree with bombing innocent people makes me a hater? You are the one that condones the killing of thousands of innocents and you try and justify it with absurd claims like 75% of them were terrorists. I disagree with the politics and actions of a nation. I have never mentioned religion once in all my posts on the topic. I do not blame my Jewish friends and neighbors for the actions in any way. Never have and never will. But that won't stop you from making such claims as you have no other leg to stand on and completely suck at debate.
You condone murdering and I don't and you claim that I am the hater. Priceless.
Using your logic, if a Chinese guy killed someone then that would condone destroying an entire neighborhood of Chinese people. That is some logic that you use.
Tell us again how 75% of those children were terrorists. Damn any actual facts or logic.
For years, you have said that you won't respond or post concerning my views. If I only had a dime each time you make that statement. There are a few in this thread alone. Although I can see why you would want to given your track record at debate with me or anyone else for that matter.
The guy who hates every Muslim person on the planet and would welcome their death calls me a hater. No wonder you make me laugh.
I too have been offended by what I felt were anti-Semitic comments from mule; as well as incessant rantings that he knows better than I do about what my feelings/intentions are. Any comment is met with a responsive attack.
And re: criminal government no one to date has given a solution as to how the government of Israel should deal with a terror state that was attacking them; building terror tunnels with more attacks planned and still refuses to accept any plan that calls for the viable existence of Israel as a state.
You are entitled to your opinion; Doug is; I am. But ones opinion should not be met with attacks and the response that ones opinion is not what it professes to be, One can be pro Israeli without wanting all Muslims dead,
And re: criminal government no one to date has given a solution as to how the government of Israel should deal with a terror state that was attacking them; building terror tunnels with more attacks planned and still refuses to accept any plan that calls for the viable existence of Israel as a state.
Maybe they should start with the stoppage of land annexation and return the land they have already taken.
Just a suggestion.
Very true but Doug has made it clear over time. You have never made claims such as 75% of the dead were terrorists.
Doug has 6 music posts from his last 200+ and his claim that he only fights with me are comical.
Also you make claims that I am anti semitic and yet can not produce a single post. Do I disagree with Israel's over reaction and use of violence and terror? Yes. Just as I disagree with Russia's actions. There is no religion involved at all and never has been but don't let that stop you from making such claims.
Murder is wrong and nothing you will say can change my mind. As soon as you can prove that the thousands killed were terrorists then I will concede. But you know that you can never do that. Unless you are like Doug and just make sh*t up.
By condoning Israel's actions you make it very clear what your feelings and intentions are.
As for responsive attacks, I suppose making claims such as I hate all Jews is not one?
Besides being judged by those that clearly hate all Muslims is again rather comical. I guess it is OK to hate as long as I hate the same people that you do?
I have never claimed that others can't have an opinion. I would prefer honesty. If you hate them, just say it. Don't hide behind some defence that anyone who disagrees with Israel's actions hates all Jews. It is weak and false.
By condoning Israel's Gaza policy the single thing I make clear is that I condone it. Today in France the police committed murder - I condone their actions. Innocents were killed too If you truly don't believe in murder I don't know what your response is. I believe WWII was a just war - a lot of people got killed/murdered. Many innocent civilians were killed/murdered. Supporting Israel's right to defend itself (and I'm sure you will argue that they are not defending but are offending) does not make one a murderous anti-Muslim psychopath. I have friends and acquaintances who are peaceful Muslins; I do not want them dead. That said in the current world situation the vast majority of terrorists seem to be Muslim which surely makes me somewhat (justifiably) wary
The obvious difference is that WWII was a war and sadly innocents will die. But at least there was an opposing army. In situations such as France again there are sadly innocent people who lose their lives. All because of some maniacs. But no one is rolling in tanks and taking out neighborhoods.
When the death toll is 4000+ vs 3 then that is one hell of a defence.
We will always differ on that issue. But the Israelis are not occupied, restricted supplies and medical aid. Killing a few thousand each year with no declaration of war is genocide. Blowing up neighborhoods with no actual target is hardly defence. There is no declaration of war because there is no opposing army. And I am sure that you don't back Doug's claim that 75% of the dead are terrorists. Also the UN, Russia, China and the US would frown greatly about a declaration of war. Just as they did not support Israel's actions this year. I am hardly alone in my opinion that the force used was excessive.
In (I believe 2005) Israel left Gaza and several thriving business - attempting to slowly loosen the economic sanctions. When Hamas (a terror group who's stated purpose is the destruction of Israeled
took power in 2006 Israel started tightening the borders more and more. Even Egypt did the same fearing terror attacks. The recent destruction of the terror tunnel network justified that fear.
when the US dropped the A-Bomb on Japan a lot more Japanese were killed than (most likely) American lives were saved. If you read "Unbroken" the Japanese were going to kill every POW so that they couldn't recount the atrocities to the world. Was the number trade off worth it? I think so - but there are others who disagree.
So 4,000/3 - without the destruction of the Hamas infrastructure those numbers would have tipped in ratio. To me it was justified. Everyone takes their stance. My grandmother used to say "The definition of promiscuity is anyone who gets laid more than you do." Like the end of WWII I would rather see 4,000/3 than 300/50 when the enemy being fought is out to obtain the destruction of the other side. If Hamas puts down its guns the fighting would stop; if Israel does so it would be obliterated. I believe that; and nothing in the state of the world is currently doing anything (in fact my opinion based on facts is strengthening) to change that view. It is fact based; not racist.
Like the end of WWII I would rather see 4,000/3 than 300/50 when the enemy being fought is out to obtain the destruction of the other side.
Except are all the people killed the enemy, military or even the terrorists? Or is it entire blocks of slums that are full of people who are trapped? Either way for the innocent people it is an act of terror. Live in daily fear with no abilities to escape or control the situation. Can't control Hamas or Israel and will be the victims. Losing their lives for absolutely nothing as not a thing will change politically after their death. It is a terrorist act just as a car bombing in Israel by sick individuals. The major difference is that Israel is a Nation and not a terrorist group. The solution is not to just bomb the crap out of people for days and then expect them to embrace you. This strategy is to make people follow the rules or risk death thus trying to force Hamas or terrorist groups to stop in order to save civilians. Two major faults in this are that when attacked people fight back and Hamas doesn't give a crap about the people either and view them as dying for the cause.
Mass bombing on people that can not defend themselves accomplishes nothing. In fact, it has caused issues among Israel's allies including your own country. Again what percentage of those killed are terrorists or even armed? Not that a gun would protect them from tanks and rockets. This is where you and I will always differ. What is an acceptable amount? One terrorist per hundred dead? Ten? Is a rate of 90% innocent victims acceptable? You will condone a far different percentage than I would obviously.
Again Israel is a Nation and should not lower themselves to the same mentality as terrorists and with far greater casualty numbers. If not then just declare war and take the whole thing. They don't want to do that for obvious reasons of further wars.
Like the end of WWII I would rather see 4,000/3 than 300/50 when the enemy being fought is out to obtain the destruction of the other side.
Except are all the people killed the enemy, military or even the terrorists? Or is it entire blocks of slums that are full of people who are trapped? Either way for the innocent people it is an act of terror. Live in daily fear with no abilities to escape or control the situation. Can't control Hamas or Israel and will be the victims. Losing their lives for absolutely nothing as not a thing will change politically after their death. It is a terrorist act just as a car bombing in Israel by sick individuals. The major difference is that Israel is a Nation and not a terrorist group. The solution is not to just bomb the crap out of people for days and then expect them to embrace you. This strategy is to make people follow the rules or risk death thus trying to force Hamas or terrorist groups to stop in order to save civilians. Two major faults in this are that when attacked people fight back and Hamas doesn't give a crap about the people either and view them as dying for the cause.
Mass bombing on people that can not defend themselves accomplishes nothing. In fact, it has caused issues among Israel's allies including your own country. Again what percentage of those killed are terrorists or even armed? Not that a gun would protect them from tanks and rockets. This is where you and I will always differ. What is an acceptable amount? One terrorist per hundred dead? Ten? Is a rate of 90% innocent victims acceptable? You will condone a far different percentage than I would obviously.
Again Israel is a Nation and should not lower themselves to the same mentality as terrorists and with far greater casualty numbers. If not then just declare war and take the whole thing. They don't want to do that for obvious reasons of further wars.
Again; like the end of WWII I view it as justified. The people of Gaza are pawns - many side with Hamas (sometimes out of fear sometimes out of allegiance) but I don't know what other method Israel can have to disarm them short of more casualties on their side as soldiers walk into terror traps. So yes; the ratio I can accept is different than what you can accept
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Israel knows full well that it doesn't work and use the excessive force as a fear factor. Inciting terror amongst the people you call pawns which I agree with. This is their plan and the Israeli people will never be safer with that strategy.
You can't fight terror with conventional warfare. Proven over and over throughout history. Look at Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq, when our troops pull out nothing is different.
To weed out the terrorists using Israel's method, you would have to kill every single pawn and even then there would be no guarantee. Is that acceptable? Again I would ask, what percentage of the pawns killed is acceptable? Who is qualified to make that call besides God himself? Where is the logic of accepting any when the situation admittedly does not change. So by default, you are condoning the death of pawns with the identical results. Insanity. Not you but the whole damn thing.
Again; not one of the people here who have criticized Israel has any suggestions as to how it is to protect itself.
Targeting the terror cells using the same methods that they do for starters. Surely nations with far greater resources should be able to out do them at their own game. With all the intel, satellites, manpower and money, that would be a far better plan with less casualties and targetted results. Who are better trained? Surely not a bunch of nuts with no actual Nation or army.
It is forcing countries such as Pakistan to deal with issues within their borders or step aside and let others do so. The UN can not accept any bull crap political stance. We run around in Afghanistan while they hide over the border. If Pakistan can't deal with the territories run by warlords then the rest of the world can. Pakistan does little to nothing and receives aid. Laughing at us. If warlords do not comply and harbor terrorists then they are the enemy. Blow them up.
When someone is beheaded then take 5 of the prisoners that have been sitting for years and do the same. Send some terror back their way. It is what they understand and sends a message that there is a new era. Recruitment will drop.
Don't give them credit for being more advanced then they are. Since 9/11 more people have been killed in the US by nuts with guns than these terror groups. The notion that every Muslim is willing to strap explosives on is obviously wrong. It is how terror works and what they want us to think.
Not a complete solution but better than what isn't working. It is not an easy situation for Israel and I have never stated otherwise. Part of that is the price for living where they are. Hopefully one day common sense will win out and people can live in peace.
Killing pawns will never accomplish that.
Again; not one of the people here who have criticized Israel has any suggestions as to how it is to protect itself.
Stop invading and killing innocent Palestinians! What is so hard to understand? You come kick in my front door I'm retaliating. Israel is the aggressor.
Sheesh.
Sheesh
Hamas has in its charter the destruction of Israel. They lob missiles and dig tunnels to destroy Israel. They are the agressors
Hamas is without a doubt the route of evil. Without them, Israel does not roll the tanks in or fire rockets. Personally I have never claimed otherwise. Israel protects itself and reacts to threat. It is the method of retaliation and the target that I have issue with.
As with any country, there are politics involved and how the Leaders and Military wished to be viewed by it's people and the world. Any leader in Israel can not be viewed as weak so they go over the top. The Military will also use situations as a screen to accomplish goals. There was no attack on tunnel systems before teens were killed. After the tanks and rockets were flying then it became the mission. It was the response to the US and UN asking them to stop. It was used as a transparent excuse for all the casualties. They could have moved in on the tunnels as a totally separate operation.
It would be very naïve to believe that Israel does not have it's own agenda during these altercations that are not defence in any way.
Again killing pawns will accomplish nothing. It never has and never will. Just helpless people killed with even more hatred created. Israel also now feels the political pressure even from Allies and obviously acceptance of these actions around the globe is waning. Again I am hardly alone in my views. Even the US agreed with me at least from an open political stance. Behind the scenes, I am sure they don't much care who dies. Countries, Politicians, media (both regular and social) and popular opinion around the globe did not support Israel's actions at all.
Hamas and terrorists in general are definitely the route of evil though. I agree completely with you on that. But levelling a mountain range in Afghanistan does nothing if they are not even there. Conventional armies do not work and just become sitting targets for bombs, snipers and personal attacks on barracks/camps. Pull out and then the cockroaches moved right back in. Same with Palestine, Iraq, Syria and on and on. But the terrorists are not Islam, a Nation or organized to the extent that they are given credit for. The civilians fear them just as our neighborhoods fear the gangs such as the Bloods, Crips, bike gangs, cartels or any organized crime.
Sheesh
Hamas has in its charter the destruction of Israel. They lob missiles and dig tunnels to destroy Israel. They are the agressors
It seems to me that Israel has been "annexing" land and killing Palestinians for longer than the Hamas party was elected to rule Palestine. Israel has been killing innocent Palestinians for decades.
I hate that my tax money supports the Israeli government. I abhor the pro-Israeli political contingent that controls the United States government.
The pro Israel propaganda does not change the actions of the Israeli government. I know many Jews who feel the same way I feel. There have been many articles specifically citing New York Jews opposed to Israeli imperialism.
I respect you emr. I disagree with your position regarding the Israeli government. It has taken decades for me to reach these opinions. It would take a huge change in the thinking and actions of the Israeli government for me to change those opinions.
I don't hate Israelis. I hate the actions of the Israeli government.
Don't think that makes me support the actions of the terrorists lobbing missiles into Israel. I don't. I just believe it to be a frustrated response by a beaten and invaded people.
Historically the land of Israel was first settled by polytheists; Jews were second. Over the last few thousand years the country has changed hands many times. A lot of people feel that since the last change was 1948 that it is not Israel's land. I guess if they maintain control another 150 or so years they gain eternal rights. I don't see anyone in the USA ready to turn their land over to Native Americans. My brother in law is uber left wing and somewhat anti-Israel; when I mentioned that to him his feeble response was "there aren't a lot of Indians around anymore." At one time they owned it all; he is not willing to offer his land back.. Israel was in favor of a two state solution in 1948; the response of the surrounding Arab nations was to attack them. They gave back the Sinai Peninsula when they won after being attacked in 1967; they have returned Gaza on more than one occasion.
I do not support Israel's expansion policies; but when they (wrongly in my opinion) take over West Bank lands they don't blow the occupants to smithereens. If Gaza remained peaceful they would (as they attempted before Hamas took control) progressively loosen the trade restrictions. It would (rightfully so) take a much longer time to open the borders to a people who call for their destruction. If it was possible for Israel to destroy the terror tunnels and armaments with fewer casualties they would have been thrilled to do so.
Just today Hamas called the French terrorists heroes and Martyrs. (when radical Israeli's rogue killed some Muslims recently they were captured; imprisoned and denounced by the government) How in the world can a country negotiate any type of peace (and god forbid a land transfer) with an opposition government that thinks that way? It is impossible. Egypt close the border with Gaza too.
I think the US supports Israel because it is the only stable government in the Middle East - not because it is a largely (Israel does allow Arab citizenship) Jewish state.
So everyone is entitled to their view; that is where mine stands. Do I feel Israel is always right and above blame? Absolutely not. Do I agree blindly with all its policies? Absolutely not. But the country lives every day as France has lived the last week. There is no way to reach a treaty with people who have pledged for your destruction. France in recent history has been very Muslim tolerant; this is the response. There are threats for the US and other countries in the West. I have heard many times people on the web speak that this is only due to the US supporting Israel. It goes much further than that - and Israel has hit its hard stance only after repeated attempts to return property (and one may argue not enough) and broker some peace only to be rebuffed.
Sheesh
Hamas has in its charter the destruction of Israel. They lob missiles and dig tunnels to destroy Israel. They are the agressors
It seems to me that Israel has been "annexing" land and killing Palestinians for longer than the Hamas party was elected to rule Palestine. Israel has been killing innocent Palestinians for decades.
I hate that my tax money supports the Israeli government. I abhor the pro-Israeli political contingent that controls the United States government.
The pro Israel propaganda does not change the actions of the Israeli government. I know many Jews who feel the same way I feel. There have been many articles specifically citing New York Jews opposed to Israeli imperialism.
I respect you emr. I disagree with your position regarding the Israeli government. It has taken decades for me to reach these opinions. It would take a huge change in the thinking and actions of the Israeli government for me to change those opinions.
I don't hate Israelis. I hate the actions of the Israeli government.
Don't think that makes me support the actions of the terrorists lobbing missiles into Israel. I don't. I just believe it to be a frustrated response by a beaten and invaded people.
That you think " Hamas was elected to rule Palestine " shows you sorely lack basic knowledge on how the Palestianian Territories work.
That you think " Hamas was elected to rule Palestine " shows you sorely lack basic knowledge on how the Palestianian Territories work.
Wow. Enlighten me.
My internet says they were elected in 2006. I admit I'm unclear as to all the parties that make up Palestinian politics but I'm pretty sure Hamas was elected.
Please let me know what your internet says.
"Lack basic knowledge"? I'm a Jeopardy champion beeyotch.
