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MartinD28
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How about some examples of Trump "intentionally trying to divide"?

How about some examples of Trump trying to unite whites, blacks, those on the left & right, male, female, straight, gay, immigrants, etc.

Seems to be a stalemate or more simply, opposing views with no common ground.

So when you listen to & observe Trump, would you classify him more a president who unites or divides?

I think he "unites" the people who believe in him and those who revile him will not be moved, thus, a Stalemate with both sides equally to blame.

By singling out immigrants, ethnic groups, the press, Democrats and others, he is making no attempt to unify the country. You are either on the Trump Train or you are the enemy. There is no grey area. There is not a single politician on the left who acts like that.

Actually when I asked the original question, I was expecting a one word answer - "uniter" or "divider". It's that basic & doesn't need a qualifier.


 
Posted : October 30, 2018 4:30 pm
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So when you listen to & observe Trump, would you classify him more a president who unites or divides?

I think he "unites" the people who believe in him and those who revile him will not be moved, thus, a Stalemate with both sides equally to blame.

By singling out immigrants, ethnic groups, the press, Democrats and others, he is making no attempt to unify the country. You are either on the Trump Train or you are the enemy. There is no grey area. There is not a single politician on the left who acts like that.

Actually when I asked the original question, I was expecting a one word answer - "uniter" or "divider". It's that basic & doesn't need a qualifier.

I think it does because of the polarizing effects of his being Elected. For example, Mr. Keller mentioned immigration. I would ask but feel like assuming here will be just as effective.

"Do we need immigration reform (Left) or immigration enforcement(Right)"?

Which route satisfies both the Left and the Right?

Not easy is it?...Both sides are looking to the other to give ground. I repeat, stalemate and that is just one issue.


 
Posted : October 30, 2018 5:37 pm
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So when you listen to & observe Trump, would you classify him more a president who unites or divides?

I think he "unites" the people who believe in him and those who revile him will not be moved, thus, a Stalemate with both sides equally to blame.

By singling out immigrants, ethnic groups, the press, Democrats and others, he is making no attempt to unify the country. You are either on the Trump Train or you are the enemy. There is no grey area. There is not a single politician on the left who acts like that.

Actually when I asked the original question, I was expecting a one word answer - "uniter" or "divider". It's that basic & doesn't need a qualifier.

I think it does because of the polarizing effects of his being Elected. For example, Mr. Keller mentioned immigration. I would ask but feel like assuming here will be just as effective.

"Do we need immigration reform (Left) or immigration enforcement(Right)"?

Which route satisfies both the Left and the Right?

Not easy is it?...Both sides are looking to the other to give ground. I repeat, stalemate and that is just one issue.

Congress worked on a bilateral immigration law, but Trump said he would not sign it as written. An attempt to come up with a law that would meet Trump's approval failed in the House.

So, the left and the right had an agreement, but the "unifier" president rejected it. Adding that to the other things I mentioned makes my point. Trump is divisive and he uses it as a weapon.


 
Posted : October 30, 2018 8:14 pm
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It’s a good thing there wasn’t a rally so he could make it to Pitt.


 
Posted : October 30, 2018 8:33 pm
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Neo nazi trump supporters at work.

More likely the mk ultra deep state people trying to desensitize people to mass shootings so that when the economy collapses and they want to impose martial law people will get used to others being shot and whatever narrative they come up with to justify it will be acceptable. But ultimately they will NOT win.

[Edited on 10/31/2018 by gina]


 
Posted : October 31, 2018 7:59 am
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More likely the mk ultra deep state people trying to desensitize people to mass shootings so that when the economy collapses and they want to impose martial law people will get used to others being shot and whatever narrative they come up with to justify it will be acceptable.

That's definitely it.


 
Posted : October 31, 2018 1:03 pm
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More likely the mk ultra deep state people trying to desensitize people to mass shootings so that when the economy collapses and they want to impose martial law people will get used to others being shot and whatever narrative they come up with to justify it will be acceptable.

That's definitely it.

Wow, that makes so much more sense than a neo-nazi shooting up a synagogue due to being an ignorant ahole. Thank you for that brilliant insight Gina! I feel so much more tin foilish now.


 
Posted : October 31, 2018 2:18 pm
gina
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The neo nazis have their own agenda. As does any extremist group who feels that their group is the only way and the right way. God's way is that people are tolerant of each other and other religions, this was even decreed in the Quran.

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Chapter Al Baqarah (The Cow) 2:62


 
Posted : October 31, 2018 2:26 pm
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By singling out immigrants, ethnic groups, the press, Democrats and others, he is making no attempt to unify the country. You are either on the Trump Train or you are the enemy. There is no grey area. There is not a single politician on the left who acts like that.

The press deserve to be called out for their extremely biased reporting and the Dems for their despicable stunts (Kavenaugh hearings for example). Neither of those groups know how to respond because NO ONE HAS EVER called them out in such a way as Trump has. And it has been VERY effective. The other "groups" you refer to are not citizens of this country. And no the Dems don't have anyone who acts like Trump. But they do have Maxine Waters. They Have Eric Holder encouraging violence & Hillary suggesting people refuse to be civil until they get their power back? Obama says get in their faces. Hmmm Their is not a single politician on the right who acts like that.

Trump truly wants this country to prosper, everyone. What is wrong with that? Try The RED PILL!


 
Posted : November 2, 2018 1:38 pm
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By singling out immigrants, ethnic groups, the press, Democrats and others, he is making no attempt to unify the country. You are either on the Trump Train or you are the enemy. There is no grey area. There is not a single politician on the left who acts like that.

The press deserve to be called out for their extremely biased reporting and the Dems for their despicable stunts (Kavenaugh hearings for example). Neither of those groups know how to respond because NO ONE HAS EVER called them out in such a way as Trump has. And it has been VERY effective. The other "groups" you refer to are not citizens of this country. And no the Dems don't have anyone who acts like Trump. But they do have Maxine Waters. They Have Eric Holder encouraging violence & Hillary suggesting people refuse to be civil until they get their power back? Obama says get in their faces. Hmmm Their is not a single politician on the right who acts like that.

Trump truly wants this country to prosper, everyone. What is wrong with that? Try The RED PILL!

If you believe that you are powerfully gullible, Trump wants Trump to prosper, that has been his MO his whole life. Since when did getting bullied by Russia equate to prosperity


 
Posted : November 2, 2018 8:47 pm
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My prayers go out to the survivors during their time of grief.


 
Posted : November 4, 2018 7:17 pm
gina
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People do not seem to realize or learn that these mass shootings do not change anything except killing people who may be innocent of whatever someone is pissed off about. Even in this case, all Jews are not infidels or incorrectly following the guidance given to them.

This my God's better than your God idea is totally wrong because there is only ONE God for all people.


 
Posted : November 7, 2018 1:05 pm
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Even in this case, all Jews are not infidels or incorrectly following the guidance given to them.

Next time someone shoots up a synagogue, they really ought to check with you and ask your opinion first, to make sure they are wasting infidels and not innocents.


 
Posted : November 7, 2018 1:32 pm
gina
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That's one of the important points, killing even one Innocent who may be among a group of corrupt people is like killnig all of humanity according to Islam, therefore you cannot judge a group of people you do not know and decide to kill them for their beliefs because you do not know what their individual beliefs are.


 
Posted : November 8, 2018 12:57 pm
BrerRabbit
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. . .you cannot judge a group of people you do not know and decide to kill them for their beliefs because you do not know what their individual beliefs are.

Ok. I get it, thanks. You are saying it is fine to kill folks for beliefs you think are bad, but not if it is a group and there might be someone among them with beliefs you think are good. Probably best to just go after them one at a time, make certain their beliefs are killworthy so Allah is happy with your killing.

[Edited on 11/9/2018 by BrerRabbit]


 
Posted : November 8, 2018 2:32 pm
gina
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. . .you cannot judge a group of people you do not know and decide to kill them for their beliefs because you do not know what their individual beliefs are.

Ok. I get it, thanks. You are saying it is fine to kill folks for beliefs you think are bad, but not if it is a group and there might be someone among them with beliefs you think are good. Probably best to just go after them one at a time, make certain their beliefs are killworthy so Allah is happy with your killing.

I DID NOT say that it was okay to kill anyone. Though I do believe people have a right to defend their own personal selves, their property, their family and their religion. On defending their religion if a group comes to blow up your place of worship or shoot you there, you have a right to shoot back to defend it, those most religions including Islam say that there should be no fighting near a masjid (house of worship). This issue came up when the Pakistani Taliban bombed (more than once) a masjid where the local army, Frontier Corps were in there praying. Their justification was, well they are praying that they will be able to kill us when they come out, so why shouldn't we stop them when we are rightly guided and they are not. My opinion on that was the Quran forbids attacking people at the masjid, and even though they may be wrongly guided killing them there takes away the possibility of their repentence later on. If someone is in there praying and someone attacks you there, then you have a right to defend yourself and whoever else is there with you, but you cannot go and blow up masjids just because your enemy happens to be in there.

It is no different with a synagogue. You cannot just go there and say you want to kill everyone there because your religion is different than theirs. The prophet of Islam even allowed Christians to pray in a masjid in Arabia, while they were travelling on their way to what is now called Yemen. What he did was send his best scholar back to Yemen with them and converted the entire country to Islam. That is the correct teaching, not killing people at their places of worship. The person sent to Yemen was Abu Ubaida ibn al Jarrah). That is how Yemen became a Muslim country.


 
Posted : November 14, 2018 2:42 pm
BrerRabbit
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What he did was send his best scholar back to Yemen with them and converted the entire country to Islam. That is the correct teaching, not killing people at their places of worship.

Ok, it would be interesting to know what Islam Plan B is when Plan A conversion fails.


 
Posted : November 14, 2018 4:15 pm
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