A toddler shot and killed himself when his 23-year old father, who has a concealed weapons permit to "protect himself", left the child and his loaded gun alone in the car while he went inside. I hope this man's love for a killing instrument was worth all the excitement. Does anyone really believe he carried around a loaded gun out of a legitimate fear of his safety? Or did he just love guns?
Before the pro gun folks weigh in and point out what this individual did wrong - hence it was only an individual mistake and shouldn't inform forward thinking legislation...
How many tragedies will it take before people realize not everyone should own a gun. Some folks are too irresponsible. We need better background checks and mental health evaluations.
An IQ test might be in order as well.
Before the pro gun folks weigh in and point out what this individual did wrong - hence it was only an individual mistake and shouldn't inform forward thinking legislation...
How many tragedies will it take before people realize not everyone should own a gun. Some folks are too irresponsible. We need better background checks and mental health evaluations.
An IQ test might be in order as well.
Agreed 100%
A toddler shot and killed himself when his 23-year old father, who has a concealed weapons permit to "protect himself", left the child and his loaded gun alone in the car while he went inside. I hope this man's love for a killing instrument was worth all the excitement. Does anyone really believe he carried around a loaded gun out of a legitimate fear of his safety? Or did he just love guns?
If he felt he needed to carry one with him, he should have put it in the trunk while he went in the store, leaving the kid in the car. Keep the kid and the gun separate.
Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.
It seems like a pretty simple solution. Just like a driver's license, gun owners should have to renew their gun license every 4-years with a safety and psychological exam to prove they are capable. But for some ungodly reason, conservatives believe their rights are being taken away by such a measure. Like spending a few hours every 4-years at a gun registery is such a hassle and burden, even though it could save a many lives. The article states that 2 children die every week from gun accidents. 104 children every year, and conservatives refuse to improve the testing and background checks. Unreal.
Before the pro gun folks weigh in and point out what this individual did wrong - hence it was only an individual mistake and shouldn't inform forward thinking legislation...
How many tragedies will it take before people realize not everyone should own a gun. Some folks are too irresponsible. We need better background checks and mental health evaluations.
An IQ test might be in order as well.
For something that happens twice a week in the United States?
Twice a week?
No outrage over 102 children dying per year, but over-the-top outrage over 2 cases of Ebola.
It seems like a pretty simple solution. Just like a driver's license, gun owners should have to renew their gun license every 4-years with a safety and psychological exam to prove they are capable. But for some ungodly reason, conservatives believe their rights are being taken away by such a measure. Like spending a few hours every 4-years at a gun registery is such a hassle and burden, even though it could save a many lives. The article states that 2 children die every week from gun accidents. 104 children every year, and conservatives refuse to improve the testing and background checks. Unreal.
I think gun owners should have to "qualify" as well. Show they know how to use, store, clean, and shoot their weapon.
For something that happens twice a week in the United States?
Twice a week?
I think the big picture is more than two children a week. I think you know that as well. The following link details a lot of information about gun violence in America. They put the number of accidental deaths at 606 for the year 2010.
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
Locally here there have been at least 4 or 5 recently reported cases of very young kids gaining access to a parent's gun and shooting another kid. Luckily none of these died. I wonder how many incidents nationally this occurs in a year. I'll bet the numbers nationally are reasonably high.
Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.
That says it all. Sad story.
Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.
That says it all. Sad story.
It never would have happened had the parent been administered an IQ Test. That would have prevented it.
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Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.That says it all. Sad story.
It never would have happened had the parent been administered an IQ Test. That would have prevented it.
That's what you culled from my statement? Hah!
Let me put it another way.
In every thread on this topic where some gun owning idiot gets someone killed because the idiot was not a responsible gun owner the apologist point out how the gun owners' actions were stupid and irresponsible.
Yet you same folks, the apologists, are opposed to common sense background checks and robust licensing requirements.
I don't understand the dichotomy.
No outrage over 102 children dying per year, but over-the-top outrage over 2 cases of Ebola.
Ebola is much more effective at scaring the masses...
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Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.That says it all. Sad story.
It never would have happened had the parent been administered an IQ Test. That would have prevented it.
That's what you culled from my statement? Hah!
Let me put it another way.
In every thread on this topic where some gun owning idiot gets someone killed because the idiot was not a responsible gun owner the apologist point out how the gun owners' actions were stupid and irresponsible.
Yet you same folks, the apologists, are opposed to common sense background checks and robust licensing requirements.
I don't understand the dichotomy.
It is simple, my friend. Alloak is just trolling, trying to get people outraged at his insensitive idiotic remarks. He has nothing to offer here.
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Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.That says it all. Sad story.
It never would have happened had the parent been administered an IQ Test. That would have prevented it.
That's what you culled from my statement? Hah!
Let me put it another way.
In every thread on this topic where some gun owning idiot gets someone killed because the idiot was not a responsible gun owner the apologist point out how the gun owners' actions were stupid and irresponsible.
Yet you same folks, the apologists, are opposed to common sense background checks and robust licensing requirements.
I don't understand the dichotomy.
Billy,
Don't tread on their irrational logic.
So the rational approach is more laws, rules, regulations. That will fix it. Fixes everything. Just keep passing more and more and eventually nothing bad will happen...EVER.
So the rational approach is more laws, rules, regulations. That will fix it. Fixes everything. Just keep passing more and more and eventually nothing bad will happen...EVER.
How about a little less bad? Would one less dead kid be worth it Alloak? Two? Three? What's the number? How many less dead children are worth more laws, rules, and regulations?
What's the number man? How many more dead innocent children will make you submit to a licensing process similar to a driver's license process? A test and an example of shooting and maintenance of a weapon, as well as a test that measures responsibility and common sense.
Is that worth one less dead innocent child? Two? What's the number man?
Tiny Coffin
by: John CampbellIt takes a tiny coffin for a six year old,
It takes a small hole in the ground.
It takes a tiny coffin for a six year old,
It takes a small hole in the ground.
You could fill it up with my tears and rage,
As they lowered Billy down.Shotgun blast from a moving car,
It just don't make no sense.
Shotgun blast from a moving car,
It just don't make no sense.
They say they were aiming for someone else,
But they put Billy in the past tense.I knelt by his mama as she weeped in pain.
I asked her what could I do?
I knelt by his mama as she weeped in pain.
I asked her what could I do?
She said, "Pray for me and the neighborhood,
And pray the next time it ain't you."They piled in the Chevy - five angry young men,
It's the law of the jungle for them.
They piled in the Chevy - five angry young men,
It's the law of the jungle for them.
They know where to find the gunman,
And Billy has to be revenged.
What's the number man? How many more dead innocent children will make you submit to a licensing process similar to a driver's license process?
Which amendment grants citizens the right to a drivers license?
It's irrelevant to the question Alloak. Just answer the question directly.
Which amendment grants citizens the right to a drivers license?
How many less dead children Alloak? In an evolving society how many less dead children does it take to make rules stopping the deaths of those little boys and girls worthwhile?
How many less dead children will it take?
I don't have a number. By asking that, I gather that your approach is to paint me as uncaring or not sympathetic. Typical.
Here's an idea. Try the person responsible for the death in court and pass down very harsh sentences when negligent. I have no problem with 75-100 years, same as a murder charge. Throw the book at the careless idiot.
Your approach seeks to deny someone else's rights before the fact, assuming they will be involved in a firearm accident. What about a farmer with a ___ IQ that handles firearms like a master, totally safe and competent with a clean record. According to you, he should waive his rights because some 23 year old idiot in Florida made a tragic mistake?
You want to try to disarm people before the fact on which you have no inkling will ever be involved in a gun accident. Not in America, sir.
On the other hand. I can see all the thugs and criminals lining up in droves for their IQ test and gun safety classes.
You want to try to disarm people before the fact on which you have no inkling will ever be involved in a gun accident. Not in America, sir.
Good point. Salient.
On the other hand. I can see all the thugs and criminals lining up in droves for their IQ test and gun safety classes.
BS point. Australia took guns out of criminals hands when the took them out of civilians hands. Your fear based debate won't work with me. Take it to Faux news. They are masters of the lie.
What about a farmer with a ___ IQ that handles firearms like a master, totally safe and competent with a clean record.
I doubt modern farmers have low IQ's.
When I made the comment, "an IQ test may be in order as well" it was only to illustrate that a lot of gun owners seem dumber that a pile of pig excrement. It was tongue in cheek. I'll retract the statement.
My approach was not to paint you as uncaring. My point is that civilizations evolve. If changing behavior by changing laws or implementing training stops the killing of innocent children then, you would think the leaders of the society would do what it takes to stop senseless deaths.
You don't think its a good idea to work to stop accidental death. OK. I got it. Good on ya! We disagree.
alloak, why must teenagers take classes, written exam, and physical demonstrations in order to get a driver's license?
It seems like a pretty simple solution. Just like a driver's license, gun owners should have to renew their gun license every 4-years with a safety and psychological exam to prove they are capable. But for some ungodly reason, conservatives believe their rights are being taken away by such a measure. Like spending a few hours every 4-years at a gun registery is such a hassle and burden, even though it could save a many lives. The article states that 2 children die every week from gun accidents. 104 children every year, and conservatives refuse to improve the testing and background checks. Unreal.
I think gun owners should have to "qualify" as well. Show they know how to use, store, clean, and shoot their weapon.
For something that happens twice a week in the United States?
Twice a week?
I think the big picture is more than two children a week. I think you know that as well. The following link details a lot of information about gun violence in America. They put the number of accidental deaths at 606 for the year 2010.
It would have been nice to use the entire report in their article, rather than paraphrase parts of it. Then again, it is an anti-gun group.
alloak, why must teenagers take classes, written exam, and physical demonstrations in order to get a driver's license?
Driving is a privilege granted, not a right.
Yes, but they are required to take all of those precautions because driving cars are dangerous and can kill the driver and other people, and therefore, you must prove you are capable of operating a vehicle before being granted the privilege. Seems pretty logical that our gun laws should up updated for the same reasons.
Irresponsible person + gun = what happened to that toddler and their are more and more of these stories every day. Simply too easy for anyone who wants a gun to get a gun. I feel terrible for the dead child but not even the slightest of sympathy for the irresponsible idiot who left a loaded gun with a two year old. I hope he lives a very long life filled with guilt!!!
Before the pro gun folks weigh in and point out what this individual did wrong - hence it was only an individual mistake and shouldn't inform forward thinking legislation...
How many tragedies will it take before people realize not everyone should own a gun. Some folks are too irresponsible. We need better background checks and mental health evaluations.
An IQ test might be in order as well.
For something that happens twice a week in the United States?
Twice a week?
Absolutely!!!!!! Something like that twice a week is twice a week to much IMO!!!
[Edited on 1/27/2015 by sixty8]
Gun or no gun, a two year old shouldn't have been left in the car alone.
That says it all. Sad story.
It never would have happened had the parent been administered an IQ Test. That would have prevented it.
Nothing will prevent irresponsible people from doing irresponsible things hence irresponsible people should be allowed to own guns. How they weed out such irresponsible people is something that they need to figure out.
