Didn't Obama have to give up his blackberry? Could somebody please take away the twitter account from Trump?
Now he attacks Chuck Jones, Union President representing Carrier employees.
X2
Seems it's in his makeup to always attempt to get the last word in when someone tests him...facts be damned. Tweets is an easy delivery system for him.
Would rather see him do press conferences than hide behind tweets. I just don't think twitter is the proper way for the pres elect or a pres to communicate with the public.
I'm not convinced that he will be able to conduct a profesional, articulate, substantive, and non-combative press conference. He's done a good job trashing the media which lowers the expectations for his believers. It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office. This probably makes him uncomfortable that they would dare question his stances and versions of "facts".
Didn't Obama have to give up his blackberry? Could somebody please take away the twitter account from Trump?
Now he attacks Chuck Jones, Union President representing Carrier employees.
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Chuck Jones is a union boss (thug) who live in luxury off of the union members dues.
Let's see him move to Mexico.
Donald Trump uses Twitter to beat the corrupt liberal media into the dust where they belong.
By going directly to The People he gets his message out before the media has a chance to misrepresent what he actually says.
Ha ha.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Didn't Obama have to give up his blackberry? Could somebody please take away the twitter account from Trump?
Now he attacks Chuck Jones, Union President representing Carrier employees.
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Chuck Jones is a union boss (thug) who live in luxury off of the union members dues.
Let's see him move to Mexico.Donald Trump uses Twitter to beat the corrupt liberal media into the dust where they belong.
By going directly to The People he gets his message out before the media has a chance to misrepresent what he actually says.Ha ha.
I find it interesting that you find only Republicans worthy of wealth, and they are worthy of that wealth no matter how it was obtained.
But Democrats are never worthy of wealth in your world. Apparently, for whatever reason, in your world there has never been a Democrat who has become wealthy through legitimate means.
Actually, it's only interesting because it is so predictable from you.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
Didn't Obama have to give up his blackberry? Could somebody please take away the twitter account from Trump?
Now he attacks Chuck Jones, Union President representing Carrier employees.
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Chuck Jones is a union boss (thug) who live in luxury off of the union members dues.
Let's see him move to Mexico.Donald Trump uses Twitter to beat the corrupt liberal media into the dust where they belong.
By going directly to The People he gets his message out before the media has a chance to misrepresent what he actually says.Ha ha.
I find it interesting that you find only Republicans worthy of wealth, and they are worthy of that wealth no matter how it was obtained.
But Democrats are never worthy of wealth in your world. Apparently, for whatever reason, in your world there has never been a Democrat who has become wealthy through legitimate means.
Actually, it's only interesting because it is so predictable from you.
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Your post is your usual load of crap dripping in assumptions not based on any fact.
Or are you speaking of Donald Trump who earned his wealth through hard work or Hillary Clinton and her husband who got their wealth through taking bribes and strong-arming foreign governments and Wall Street?
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
If you don't believe the major media institutions bent over backwards to give the current administration a pass in terms of scrutiny, then no list will satisfy. Think of all the media losers who missed the Trump call and you have your answer.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
If you don't believe the major media institutions bent over backwards to give the current administration a pass in terms of scrutiny, then no list will satisfy. Think of all the media losers who missed the Trump call and you have your answer.
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Exactly right.
To date, only The NYT Publisher and Public Editors have issued written mea culpas.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
If you don't believe the major media institutions bent over backwards to give the current administration a pass in terms of scrutiny, then no list will satisfy. Think of all the media losers who missed the Trump call and you have your answer.
When it comes a dereliction in a situation that led to massive loss of life, the media "pass" given during the runup to the Second Iraq War was far more devastating than anything else that has come after it.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
If you don't believe the major media institutions bent over backwards to give the current administration a pass in terms of scrutiny, then no list will satisfy. Think of all the media losers who missed the Trump call and you have your answer.
When it comes a dereliction in a situation that led to massive loss of life, the media "pass" given during the runup to the Second Iraq War was far more devastating than anything else that has come after it.
No disagreement here. But in addition, consider all those in Congress who supported it AND had gov't intelligence to aid their decision, Hillary among them.
Didn't Obama have to give up his blackberry? Could somebody please take away the twitter account from Trump?
Now he attacks Chuck Jones, Union President representing Carrier employees.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Chuck Jones is a union boss (thug) who live in luxury off of the union members dues.
Let's see him move to Mexico.Donald Trump uses Twitter to beat the corrupt liberal media into the dust where they belong.
By going directly to The People he gets his message out before the media has a chance to misrepresent what he actually says.Ha ha.
I find it interesting that you find only Republicans worthy of wealth, and they are worthy of that wealth no matter how it was obtained.
But Democrats are never worthy of wealth in your world. Apparently, for whatever reason, in your world there has never been a Democrat who has become wealthy through legitimate means.
Actually, it's only interesting because it is so predictable from you.
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Your post is your usual load of crap dripping in assumptions not based on any fact.
Or are you speaking of Donald Trump who earned his wealth through hard work or Hillary Clinton and her husband who got their wealth through taking bribes and strong-arming foreign governments and Wall Street?
Like I said, you are completely predictable, and you just proved my point. Nevermind that Trump got his start from a rich daddy and expanded his empire through fraud and taking advantage of bankruptcy law, if he was a Democrat you would be all overy him. But no, he is a Republican so he automatically gets a pass and gets the Mule distinction of earning it through hard work. I guess fraud is hard work. But Hillary working her way up as an attorney is so disrespectful in Mule's world. Whatever you say.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
They will flip back to the watchdog now that Trump has been elected. Bank on it. Their lack of consistency will further erode their credibility.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
They will flip back to the watchdog now that Trump has been elected. Bank on it. Their lack of consistency will further erode their credibility.
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A watchdog approach is exactly with the press is supposed to do. They have two responsibilities:
1.) hold the government accountable
2.) report the news to the people.
The hard part for many now is that most of what is "reported" is not the facts, not the news. it is a politically driven opinion.
Oh well. Informed people can separate the facts from the b/s.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
They will flip back to the watchdog now that Trump has been elected. Bank on it. Their lack of consistency will further erode their credibility.
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A watchdog approach is exactly with the press is supposed to do. They have two responsibilities:
1.) hold the government accountable
2.) report the news to the people.The hard part for many now is that most of what is "reported" is not the facts, not the news. it is a politically driven opinion.
Oh well. Informed people can separate the facts from the b/s.
Ah, like Flynn JR. and Pizzagate? 😛 you get dumber by the hour mule-fool 😛
Saw an interview with General Barry McCaffrey last night. See the highlights below re: General McCaffrey's thoughts on Flynn & son:
General Barry McCaffrey tells NBC News that he was initially supportive of Donald Trump’s decision to name Lt. General Michael Flynn as his national security advisor. But, a closer look at Flynn’s social media use shows that he sent out at least 16 different fake (propaganda) news stories via social media and General McCaffrey pulled no punches, bluntly calling the tweets and stories “demented.”
The Trump transition team is also rightly getting criticism for allowing Lt. General Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, to not only take part in the transition team, but to seek out security clearance for him when his own social media has shown him to be prolifically disseminating utterly false and outrageous politically motivated news. (You can watch a smarmy Mike Pence evade Jake Tapper's pointed questions about Flynn, Jr.'s security clearance six different times by clicking here.) One of those fake stories prompted a man to walk into a pizza place and fire his high-powered gun to personally “investigate” the child sex trafficking ring run by Hillary Clinton that Flynn was tweeting about to his followers. Which, of course, wasn’t happening.
General Barry McCaffrey went on to say that “we need to aggressively examine what was going on” with Lt. General Michael Flynn and his son. Hear, hear!
In short, Lt. General Flynn’s outrageous peddling of fake news and/or propaganda should be disqualifying. Period. End story.
In short, Lt. General Flynn’s outrageous peddling of fake news and/or propaganda should be disqualifying. Period. End story.
As we say goodbye to a President who outright lied to the American public on a number of occasions, and hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news" (now that charging everyone as racists and bigots has lost its steam), it's fun to watch these folks squirm. Yes Flynn should be fully vetted and dumped if unqualified, but the entertainment value of all this hypocrisy is worth its weight in gold.
In short, Lt. General Flynn’s outrageous peddling of fake news and/or propaganda should be disqualifying. Period. End story.
As we say goodbye to a President who outright lied to the American public on a number of occasions, and hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news" (now that charging everyone as racists and bigots has lost its steam), it's fun to watch these folks squirm. Yes Flynn should be fully vetted and dumped if unqualified, but the entertainment value of all this hypocrisy is worth its weight in gold.
Your generalize quite well when you state, "hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news" (now that charging everyone as racists and bigots has lost its steam), it's fun to watch these folks squirm."
As a start why don't you show where General Flynn's actions with spreading fake news is a left wing tactic. Did he do it or not? You can even quote his son's words. Fake news has become a real issue unless individuals are in denial and choose to bury their heads in the sand because it doesn't fit a narrow minded belief.
Your disdain for Pres. Obama has been noted over the years. Maybe you can cheer as Trump's entire campaign was one lie after another. Beware of what the country just voted in and got bamboozled by. You'll get what you deserve.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news/companies/carrier-jobs-automation/index.html
Carrier to ultimately cut some of jobs Trump saved
by Chris Isidore @CNNMoney
December 9, 2016: 8:16 AM ET
It sounded like great news when Carrier said last week that it would invest millions in the Indiana plant it decided to keep in the U.S.
The company's deal with President-elect Donald Trump to keep a furnace plant from moving to Mexico also calls for a $16 million investment in the facility.
But that has a big down side for some of the workers in Indianapolis.
Most of that money will be invested in automation said to Greg Hayes, CEO of United Technologies, Carrier's corporate parent. And that automation will replace some of the jobs that were just saved.
"We're going to...automate to drive the cost down so that we can continue to be competitive," he said on an interview on CNBC earlier this week. "Is it as cheap as moving to Mexico with lower cost labor? No. But we will make that plant competitive just because we'll make the capital investments there. But what that ultimately means is there will be fewer jobs."
The decision to keep Carrier's furnace manufacturing operations in the U.S. instead of moving them to Mexico will save about 800 jobs out of the 1,400 at the plant, at least in the near term. The company declined to say how many of the plants 800 remaining jobs could be lost to automation, or when.
The threat that automation poses to jobs a big concern for Chuck Jones, president of United Steelworkers union Local 1999, which represents the Carrier workers.
"Automation means less people," he told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day" on Thursday. "I think we'll have a reduction of workforce at some point in time once they get all the automation in and up and running."
Still, automation is the only way that a plant in Indiana that pays about $20 an hour can compete with Mexican plants where workers earn $3 an hour.
The number of U.S. manufacturing jobs in the U.S. has declined sharply thanks in large part to more efficient factories.
"You can't just blame cheap labor [outside the U.S.]," said Dan Miklovic, principal analyst with LNS research. "Certainly many of the jobs that we've lost, especially in more sophisticated industries, it's not so much that they've been offshored, but it has been automation that replaced them. We use a lot more robots to build cars."
All together, U.S. factories are actually producing more products today than they did in the post-World War II era, according to the Federal Reserve's reading on manufacturing output. Output at U.S. factories is up 150% in last 40 years. But U.S. manufacturing jobs have plunged by more than 30% in that same period. And automation is a big reason why.
And it's not a trend that's going to end with Carrier or even with manufacturers.
A recent study by McKinsey & Co. said that 45% of the tasks that U.S. workers are currently paid to perform can be automated by existing technology. That represents about $2 trillion in annual wages.
In short, Lt. General Flynn’s outrageous peddling of fake news and/or propaganda should be disqualifying. Period. End story.
As we say goodbye to a President who outright lied to the American public on a number of occasions, and hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news" (now that charging everyone as racists and bigots has lost its steam), it's fun to watch these folks squirm. Yes Flynn should be fully vetted and dumped if unqualified, but the entertainment value of all this hypocrisy is worth its weight in gold.
Your generalize quite well when you state, "hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news" (now that charging everyone as racists and bigots has lost its steam), it's fun to watch these folks squirm."
As a start why don't you show where General Flynn's actions with spreading fake news is a left wing tactic. Did he do it or not? You can even quote his son's words. Fake news has become a real issue unless individuals are in denial and choose to bury their heads in the sand because it doesn't fit a narrow minded belief.
Your disdain for Pres. Obama has been noted over the years. Maybe you can cheer as Trump's entire campaign was one lie after another. Beware of what the country just voted in and got bamboozled by. You'll get what you deserve.
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"Trump's entire campaign was one lie after another"
You are very confused son.
The one lie after another was Obama's entire Presidency and the now disgraced Hillary Clinton and her campaign.
That is okay. the American People fixed that for you.
It is the press who serves one role as checks and balances on the exec office.
No longer. Most gave up that duty to play cheerleader for the current administration.
Interesting. Can you list maybe a half dozen or so of the major media sources / outlets that you feel fit your statement?
If you don't believe the major media institutions bent over backwards to give the current administration a pass in terms of scrutiny, then no list will satisfy. Think of all the media losers who missed the Trump call and you have your answer.
When it comes a dereliction in a situation that led to massive loss of life, the media "pass" given during the runup to the Second Iraq War was far more devastating than anything else that has come after it.
No disagreement here. But in addition, consider all those in Congress who supported it AND had gov't intelligence to aid their decision, Hillary among them.
I've considered them all, and they were all wrong. Hillary as well. Said it then, I'll say it now. The media was also complicit in the drumbeats of war.
I can remember one guy who didn't vote for it, though.
hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news"
Are you saying there's not completely fabricated "news" that has been appearing all over the place for several months now? I know you are smarter than that, and your lame potshot at "the left" is just you not wanting to acknowledge the existence of something that most certainly does exist.
hello to the new tactic from the left and major media losers of defining everything they don't like as "fake news"
Are you saying there's not completely fabricated "news" that has been appearing all over the place for several months now? I know you are smarter than that, and your lame potshot at "the left" is just you not wanting to acknowledge the existence of something that most certainly does exist.
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Oh yes there is a lot of fake news.
The NYT, WAPO, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN tried to lie their way to an election to fit their political agenda and they lost.
Ha ha.
On the topic of manufacturing, this article sums up the region I live in pretty well
Christmas saved: Carrier families thank Trump, count blessings
By Brooke Singman - Published December 16, 2016 - FoxNews.com
Carrier employee: Trump truly wants to keep jobs in America
The Bray kids are counting on Santa Claus comin' to town, and their parents, like more than 1,000 other Carrier employees whose jobs were saved by a dramatic deal negotiated by President-elect Donald Trump, are counting their blessings.
T.J. Bray, 32, whose job at an Indianapolis air conditioner factory was saved after Trump convinced company executives not to move operations to Monterrey, Mexico, is no longer dreading a dismal holiday.
“If you had told me in February this year would end on a good note, I would have told you you’re bat crazy,” the 14-year Carrier production associate told FoxNews.com. “We can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing we can go back to doing what we’ve been doing –doing the best job we can do and going home to take care of our families.”
The Brays, T.J., Amanda, Zane and Jovie, learned 11 months ago that his job was being phased out. (Special to FoxNews.com)
The Brays spent the first 11 months of 2016 on a “roller-coaster," after learning on Feb. 10 the plant was winding down, said T.J.'s wife, Amanda, 32. Although they spared son Zane, 6, and daughter, Jovie, 4, the near year-long anxiety, the Brays told their children the good news on Nov. 30, after getting word that Carrier's parent company had reversed its plans. The decision came after officials met with Trump and got tax incentives from Indiana, where Vice President-elect Mike Pence is still governor.
“My daughter now says ‘Daddy, Donald Trump saved your job!’” T.J.Bray said. “Mommy and Daddy don’t have to worry about anything.”
Amanda Bray said the year was difficult.
“T.J. is my rock; my security blanket –but when he told me the news, I could hear the panic in his voice,” she said. “I knew at that very moment our roles were going to switch, and I would have to be the strong one and lift him up –I never had to play that role.”
The Bray family Christmas tree, (l.), will have presents under it after President-elect Trump, at right visiting Carrier's plant, struck a deal to save jobs. (Special to FoxNews.com, AP)
Her husband acknowledged there was fear behind the brave face he tried to wear for nearly a year.
“It’s a blessing to know you could lose your job a year in advance, but it’s like you’re waiting for your funeral,” he said.
But now, “It’s Christmastime and knowing my job is safe, we can now breathe a bit easier,” he added.
Robin Maynard, who has worked for Carrier for 24 years, said having his job saved has made him even more appreciative of what really matters during the season of caring and charity.
“We’re going to give a little bit more this year than we have in the past,” said Maynard, a Carrier group leader.
His wife, Candy Maynard, is a former sixth-grade teacher who is now on disability due to a decline in health this year. Losing the family income would have hit the couple and their three daughters hard.
“God is in control and we’re so blessed the Lord is taking care of us,” Candy Maynard said. “This made our Christmas so much brighter.”
The same lesson is not lost on the Brays, who say their children were “always going to have a good Christmas,” but that the family has learned time together means more than "extra things.”
“Priorities get put into perspective really quickly,” Amanda Bray said. “We’ve changed our way of life, and I don’t think I’ll go back.”
Amanda Bray said the family drew closer, as they saved whatever extra money they had for experiences and memories, rather than material things. Highlights included their family vacation to the beach, and a trip to New York City to watch the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade.
“We promised we would take the kids on vacations long before the bad news about T.J.’s job, and we made it happen – I didn’t want to disappoint them,” Amanda Bray said.
Spoiler alert: If you are one of the Bray children, stop reading now.
Zane's list has been checked twice, and Jovie is going to get the Barbie Dream House, complete with an elevator. It will come from Santa by way of a single mom Amanda Bray found on Facebook, who offered her own daughter's a gently used version for a fraction of the $149 retail price.
“I’m helping her and she’s helping me; and if my children want something, no matter what, I’ll figure it out," Amanda Bray said. "I think that’s what moms do.”
On the topic of manufacturing, this article sums up the region I live in pretty well
http://reut.rs/2gqM5Td/blockquote >
That is a problem. And all the new union hires at the auto plants get hired at a lower tier now, some of that thanks to the auto-bail-out.
What I've always thought is that if more of these jobs were here (either created or "reshored") then companies would have to compete for workers and wages and benefits would have to increase to attract those workers. When there is an over abundance of labor then wages can stay low. Everything has to come together for it all to work out. Business interests want one thing. Workers want another thing. What does the government want and who will they favor? Trump has signaled he will try to balance this, Carrier is just one example. He's got 4 years to make it happen on alot bigger scale than a one instance example. We shall see.
Christmas saved: Carrier families thank Trump, count blessings
By Brooke Singman - Published December 16, 2016 - FoxNews.comCarrier employee: Trump truly wants to keep jobs in America
The Bray kids are counting on Santa Claus comin' to town, and their parents, like more than 1,000 other Carrier employees whose jobs were saved by a dramatic deal negotiated by President-elect Donald Trump, are counting their blessings.
Shouldn't a story just written now atleast have the right number of jobs that have been saved? It isn't over 1000 as has been reported.
Time to put this one to bed anyway. How much run do you want from it? I'm happy for it, I've said such in this thread. But what is next? More jobs to save at other companies in Indy. More jobs to save elsewhere in the US. Why haven't more actions similar to what happened at Carrier happened yet?
[Edited on 12/17/2016 by nebish]
Rome wasn't built in one day. Trump probably still has a lot of work to do getting all those Trump brand clothing lines brought back into this country.
On the topic of manufacturing, this article sums up the region I live in pretty well
http://reut.rs/2gqM5Td/blockquote >
That is a problem. And all the new union hires at the auto plants get hired at a lower tier now, some of that thanks to the auto-bail-out.
What I've always thought is that if more of these jobs were here (either created or "reshored") then companies would have to compete for workers and wages and benefits would have to increase to attract those workers. When there is an over abundance of labor then wages can stay low. Everything has to come together for it all to work out. Business interests want one thing. Workers want another thing. What does the government want and who will they favor? Trump has signaled he will try to balance this, Carrier is just one example. He's got 4 years to make it happen on alot bigger scale than a one instance example. We shall see.
Christmas saved: Carrier families thank Trump, count blessings
By Brooke Singman - Published December 16, 2016 - FoxNews.comCarrier employee: Trump truly wants to keep jobs in America
The Bray kids are counting on Santa Claus comin' to town, and their parents, like more than 1,000 other Carrier employees whose jobs were saved by a dramatic deal negotiated by President-elect Donald Trump, are counting their blessings.
Shouldn't a story just written now atleast have the right number of jobs that have been saved? It isn't over 1000 as has been reported.
Time to put this one to bed anyway. How much run do you want from it? I'm happy for it, I've said such in this thread. But what is next? More jobs to save at other companies in Indy. More jobs to save elsewhere in the US. Why haven't more actions similar to what happened at Carrier happened yet?
[Edited on 12/17/2016 by nebish]
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With the U.S. having the highest corporate tax rate in the world, a militant union environment and the thousands of regulations imposed on companies over the last eight years many companies, in order to survive, had to relocate the corporate entity and/or manufacturing outside of the U.S.
If a company cannot be profitable in the U.S. it is that company’s responsibility to go where it can continue to operate.
The best chance for that happening right now is Donald Trump.
A renegotiating of the so-called free trade agreements will really help as well. We need free and fair trade agreements which have not been the practice over the last few decades.
This $15/hr "demand" is simply impractical. Automation and common sense has shown it to be a net job loosing idea. Popular doesn't make it work.
On the topic of manufacturing, this article sums up the region I live in pretty well
http://reut.rs/2gqM5Td/blockquote >
That is a problem. And all the new union hires at the auto plants get hired at a lower tier now, some of that thanks to the auto-bail-out.
What I've always thought is that if more of these jobs were here (either created or "reshored") then companies would have to compete for workers and wages and benefits would have to increase to attract those workers. When there is an over abundance of labor then wages can stay low. Everything has to come together for it all to work out. Business interests want one thing. Workers want another thing. What does the government want and who will they favor? Trump has signaled he will try to balance this, Carrier is just one example. He's got 4 years to make it happen on alot bigger scale than a one instance example. We shall see.
Christmas saved: Carrier families thank Trump, count blessings
By Brooke Singman - Published December 16, 2016 - FoxNews.comCarrier employee: Trump truly wants to keep jobs in America
The Bray kids are counting on Santa Claus comin' to town, and their parents, like more than 1,000 other Carrier employees whose jobs were saved by a dramatic deal negotiated by President-elect Donald Trump, are counting their blessings.
Shouldn't a story just written now atleast have the right number of jobs that have been saved? It isn't over 1000 as has been reported.
Time to put this one to bed anyway. How much run do you want from it? I'm happy for it, I've said such in this thread. But what is next? More jobs to save at other companies in Indy. More jobs to save elsewhere in the US. Why haven't more actions similar to what happened at Carrier happened yet?
[Edited on 12/17/2016 by nebish]
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With the U.S. having the highest corporate tax rate in the world, a militant union environment and the thousands of regulations imposed on companies over the last eight years many companies, in order to survive, had to relocate the corporate entity and/or manufacturing outside of the U.S.
If a company cannot be profitable in the U.S. it is that company’s responsibility to go where it can continue to operate.
The best chance for that happening right now is Donald Trump.
A renegotiating of the so-called free trade agreements will really help as well. We need free and fair trade agreements which have not been the practice over the last few decades.
This $15/hr "demand" is simply impractical. Automation and common sense has shown it to be a net job loosing idea. Popular doesn't make it work.
The salaries of CEO's and higher management have climbed disproportionately over the last 60 years at the expense of worker wages and opportunities. There needs to be a much larger share of the pie allocated to worker wages. Most corporations could continue to operate in the US if they brought corporate compensation down to what it is was in the 1950’s; CEO-To-Worker Pay Ratio has Ballooned 1,000 percent since 1950. How much as minimum wage gone up in this period?
The Dodd-Frank financial reform law aimed to make it easier for the public to know how much CEOs are getting paid in comparison to their workers. The law includes a provision requiring public companies to disclose their CEO-to-worker pay ratios, but nearly three years after the law passed, the Securities and Exchange commission still hasn’t put the rule in place, thanks in part to business opposition to the proposal, according to ABC News.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), who authored the provision told ABC last year: “It might embarrass some companies to reveal that they pay their CEO in the range of 400 times what they pay their typical worker.”
It can be especially embarrassing when the CEO doesn’t perform. Former J.C. Penney head Ron Johnson, whose compensation was 1,795 times the average worker pay, according to Bloomberg, was recently ousted from his post after failing to turn around the struggling company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html
Most of the savings in labor costs achieved through relocation have gone straight into the pockets of higher management and shareholders. Management and shareholders are not going to want to split these profits with workers if they return to the US. The US government would have to subsidize this move as it has promised to do with Carrier.
Moving operations overseas has allowed companies to not only pay workers less but to take advantage of the multiple resources a worker's family has to meet household costs. Many of these companies are based in rural areas and so the daily cost of living is supplemented by keeping small farms. Wages in these areas only make up a percentage of what a worker needs to support a family.
US workers have to be given a wage that would cover a much higher proportion of household expenses. To give the average worker a chance to make a living wage and support a family minimum wage would have to be in the $35 range. This again would have to be subtracted from corporate wages.
On the topic of manufacturing, this article sums up the region I live in pretty well
http://reut.rs/2gqM5Td/blockquote >
That is a problem. And all the new union hires at the auto plants get hired at a lower tier now, some of that thanks to the auto-bail-out.
What I've always thought is that if more of these jobs were here (either created or "reshored") then companies would have to compete for workers and wages and benefits would have to increase to attract those workers. When there is an over abundance of labor then wages can stay low. Everything has to come together for it all to work out. Business interests want one thing. Workers want another thing. What does the government want and who will they favor? Trump has signaled he will try to balance this, Carrier is just one example. He's got 4 years to make it happen on alot bigger scale than a one instance example. We shall see.
Christmas saved: Carrier families thank Trump, count blessings
By Brooke Singman - Published December 16, 2016 - FoxNews.comCarrier employee: Trump truly wants to keep jobs in America
The Bray kids are counting on Santa Claus comin' to town, and their parents, like more than 1,000 other Carrier employees whose jobs were saved by a dramatic deal negotiated by President-elect Donald Trump, are counting their blessings.
Shouldn't a story just written now atleast have the right number of jobs that have been saved? It isn't over 1000 as has been reported.
Time to put this one to bed anyway. How much run do you want from it? I'm happy for it, I've said such in this thread. But what is next? More jobs to save at other companies in Indy. More jobs to save elsewhere in the US. Why haven't more actions similar to what happened at Carrier happened yet?
[Edited on 12/17/2016 by nebish]
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With the U.S. having the highest corporate tax rate in the world, a militant union environment and the thousands of regulations imposed on companies over the last eight years many companies, in order to survive, had to relocate the corporate entity and/or manufacturing outside of the U.S.
If a company cannot be profitable in the U.S. it is that company’s responsibility to go where it can continue to operate.
The best chance for that happening right now is Donald Trump.
A renegotiating of the so-called free trade agreements will really help as well. We need free and fair trade agreements which have not been the practice over the last few decades.
This $15/hr "demand" is simply impractical. Automation and common sense has shown it to be a net job loosing idea. Popular doesn't make it work.
The salaries of CEO's and higher management have climbed disproportionately over the last 60 years at the expense of worker wages and opportunities. There needs to be a much larger share of the pie allocated to worker wages. Most corporations could continue to operate in the US if they brought corporate compensation down to what it is was in the 1950’s; CEO-To-Worker Pay Ratio has Ballooned 1,000 percent since 1950. How much as minimum wage gone up in this period?
The Dodd-Frank financial reform law aimed to make it easier for the public to know how much CEOs are getting paid in comparison to their workers. The law includes a provision requiring public companies to disclose their CEO-to-worker pay ratios, but nearly three years after the law passed, the Securities and Exchange commission still hasn’t put the rule in place, thanks in part to business opposition to the proposal, according to ABC News.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), who authored the provision told ABC last year: “It might embarrass some companies to reveal that they pay their CEO in the range of 400 times what they pay their typical worker.”
It can be especially embarrassing when the CEO doesn’t perform. Former J.C. Penney head Ron Johnson, whose compensation was 1,795 times the average worker pay, according to Bloomberg, was recently ousted from his post after failing to turn around the struggling company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html
Most of the savings in labor costs achieved through relocation have gone straight into the pockets of higher management and shareholders. Management and shareholders are not going to want to split these profits with workers if they return to the US. The US government would have to subsidize this move as it has promised to do with Carrier.
Moving operations overseas has allowed companies to not only pay workers less but to take advantage of the multiple resources a worker's family has to meet household costs. Many of these companies are based in rural areas and so the daily cost of living is supplemented by keeping small farms. Wages in these areas only make up a percentage of what a worker needs to support a family.
US workers have to be given a wage that would cover a much higher proportion of household expenses. To give the average worker a chance to make a living wage and support a family minimum wage would have to be in the $35 range. This again would have to be subtracted from corporate wages.
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Your post is just more evidence as to why The American People just wholly rejected obama's policies and Hillary Clinton.
You actually believe the crap the liberals have been feeding their suckers.
BTW - The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. To achieve that someone need to get a good education and continue to advance through hard work and dedication.
The salaries of CEO's and higher management have climbed disproportionately over the last 60 years at the expense of worker wages and opportunities. There needs to be a much larger share of the pie allocated to worker wages. Most corporations could continue to operate in the US if they brought corporate compensation down to what it is was in the 1950’s; CEO-To-Worker Pay Ratio has Ballooned 1,000 percent since 1950. How much as minimum wage gone up in this period?
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The Dodd-Frank financial reform law aimed to make it easier for the public to know how much CEOs are getting paid in comparison to their workers. The law includes a provision requiring public companies to disclose their CEO-to-worker pay ratios, but nearly three years after the law passed, the Securities and Exchange commission still hasn’t put the rule in place, thanks in part to business opposition to the proposal, according to ABC News.Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), who authored the provision told ABC last year: “It might embarrass some companies to reveal that they pay their CEO in the range of 400 times what they pay their typical worker.”
It can be especially embarrassing when the CEO doesn’t perform. Former J.C. Penney head Ron Johnson, whose compensation was 1,795 times the average worker pay, according to Bloomberg, was recently ousted from his post after failing to turn around the struggling company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623. html
Most of the savings in labor costs achieved through relocation have gone straight into the pockets of higher management and shareholders. Management and shareholders are not going to want to split these profits with workers if they return to the US. The US government would have to subsidize this move as it has promised to do with Carrier.
Moving operations overseas has allowed companies to not only pay workers less but to take advantage of the multiple resources a worker's family has to meet household costs. Many of these companies are based in rural areas and so the daily cost of living is supplemented by keeping small farms. Wages in these areas only make up a percentage of what a worker needs to support a family.
US workers have to be given a wage that would cover a much higher proportion of household expenses. To give the average worker a chance to make a living wage and support a family minimum wage would have to be in the $35 range. This again would have to be subtracted from corporate wages.
I agree with your assessment on where the profits have gone with outsoucing and overseas operations. And I agree with what you state has happened over the last several decades in terms of CEO vs average worker pay. I know where you are coming from and I'm not too far away from it, although I am generally against higher minimum wages or mandated living wages. I want the process to happen naturally...as in more jobs chasing fewer workers. When more opportunities exist than can easily be filled by the existing labor pool wages will rise organically in a supply - demand of labor equation.
But let me ask you a question, you say increasing average worker pay would have to come from corporate wages (CEO and management). And you also say that the corporation isn't going to accept less profit to pay more in wages.
So then how do you do it? I mean how does it happen?
Let's just say that Washington passed some high wage requirements...ok it is law of the land. What is going to happen? It would only accelerate and expand outsourcing as corporations look to escape the new higher wage requirement to the extent they can. Right, wrong, or otherwise I understand the motives of the corporation and their shareholders. You don't just think that CEO's and upper management willingly will take less pay?
I really think the first step in the process has to be rewarding companies who stay or invest in facilities and people here. And then we must penalize those who take advantage of foreign labor and lower overhead costs to bring their goods and services to market here in the US.
Once that is achieved, and every company who wants to sell product in our market is truly on a level playing field I think the impact on wages will be dramatic. Not in this one-off Carrier example. I'm talking about Samsung building appliances here. I'm talking about more autos being made here. Everything that can be built or assembled here. The opportunities for labor would be outstanding.
Free traders like to say "the world has x number of people and we are only y% of that world population, we can't just buy and sell among ourselves we must sell to the world". Great in theory, but how many of the world population can actually buy our "stuff". How many people in Central America or Africa or even Asia, how many of those people have the income to buy things made here? And who is to say that just because an American company can sell into that market, where is that stuff made? Are we talking about an Apple iphone, made in China and sold globally? Are we talking about Cat earth moving equipment? Because Cat actually employs more people globally than they do in US and their product is built in plants all over the world. Are we talking about a Chevy Cruze that when sold abroad does not get exported from the US production plant, instead it is built in several plants around the globe to satisfy world-wide sales. I mean, there are certainly substantial stuff we export, and in some trade adjustment process I speak of, some of those people may be hurt by new trade law. However, I think as a nation and for our population in general the postitives far outweigh the negatives on balance.
