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BIGV
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half the country cares more about their right to bear arms than their daughter's right to get an abortion. Doesn't make them worse - just different.

Different my a$$. No need to be politically correct. It may not make them "worse" (which is vague anyway), but misguided or even dysfunctional might be more accurate to describe these types.

So. if one disagrees with you....They are dysfunctional ?

LOL...No wonder Trump won


 
Posted : December 13, 2016 3:57 pm
BoytonBrother
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Oh please, that is such a weak cop out response. Nowhere did I suggest that "anyone who disagrees with me is dysfunctional"....only a lack of comprehension would elicit such a response. But when specifically talking about the issue of a parent valuing his 2nd amendment over his own daughters right to abort, then yes, I will judge that. Secondly, I have no problem with Trump winning. I think it will expose things among our government and his voters that have needed to be addressed for a long time. So I think some good will come out of it. And regarding your comment "no wonder he won", how is Trump related to a father valuing his 2nd Amendment over his daughters rights? I don't get the political connection there. I find it interesting that you and EMR do though.


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 6:11 am
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emr, I don't relate your anecdote to politics. That to me is strictly about family. Maybe associating it with politics could also be the type of thinking that got Trump elected? I don't know, I'm just pondering.


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 6:34 am
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but it is exactly your attitude that has led to a very unconventional/slightly loose cannon being president elect

Yeah. That was it.


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 10:19 am
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emr, I don't relate your anecdote to politics. That to me is strictly about family. Maybe associating it with politics could also be the type of thinking that got Trump elected? I don't know, I'm just pondering.

I see it differently. Politics allows for people to have a feeling as long as it is not against the law. The Democrats were incredibly arrogant/paternalistic in 2016. A lot of people I come into contact with at work all stressed that arrogance as a reason for voting Republican. It is no surprise that the two candidates who garnered grass roots followings (Trump and Bernie) were out of the box despite being diametrically opposed. Hillary basically missed a two foot putt for the presidency.

This is the first election I ever walked out of the voting booth with a blank ballot. I found both candidates to be deplorable - but Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorables killed her chances. Imagine if McCain called Obama supporters a bunch of "n" lovers? This was as bad


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 3:20 pm
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Fair enough on your first point. But her comment was directed at a segment that behaved a certain way by choice, whereas your n-lover example would be condemning a person who has no control over their race. But I see your point. The criticisms surrounding Hillary's campaign strategy are more than fair and accurate. But this notion that the left-wing attacks on Trump supporters are somehow unique to the Left. How on God's green Earth is it any different from what the right has done and said about Obama and liberals for the past 8 years? "No wonder why Trump won, lol" is moronic. Each side has been criticizing the other for over a century - that's never changed. The only thing to change is the type of candidate Trump chose to be. He created a new genre.


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 3:30 pm
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Its like raising kids. You can criticize the behavior but not label the person/group. You can find behavior deplorable - but not label a whole group as deplorables. Trump was like an animal going after Hilary but he didn't go after her supporters. I think he got her so crazy that she lost it - and it ruined her chances


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 6:31 pm
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Well that's certainly one theory.


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 7:07 pm
BrerRabbit
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LOL


 
Posted : December 14, 2016 10:09 pm
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As far as theories on why the Dems blew it, here's mine:

C-H-A-A-N-G-E

J-O-B-S


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 3:34 am
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 2:31 pm
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Of course he did; but not groups in the swing states


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 2:43 pm
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 3:37 pm
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She mismanaged something? Don't even go there, not with the usual scapegoats like FOX News, the Russians, or racist hayseeds, etc, etc, etc, etc....

They still don't get it!!

No election defeat is ever due to their own BEHAVIOR, or JOB PERFORMANCE, or POLICY POSITIONS...There are always other factors to blame outside of themselves and I don't foresee that changing any time soon. And before you start in on the popular vote BS, there are 49 other States besides California. The map is almost solid red so WTFU.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 4:00 pm
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

The only way this theory applies is that those folks who took the "deplorables" line to heart were considering voting for her in the first place. Um, no.

Not even in the same league as the 47% line.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 4:12 pm
Bhawk
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She mismanaged something? Don't even go there, not with the usual scapegoats like FOX News, the Russians, or racist hayseeds, etc, etc, etc, etc....

They still don't get it!!

No election defeat is ever due to their own BEHAVIOR, or JOB PERFORMANCE, or POLICY POSITIONS...There are always other factors to blame outside of themselves and I don't foresee that changing any time soon. And before you start in on the popular vote BS, there are 49 other States besides California. The map is almost solid red so WTFU.

Such anger and sore winning. Maybe that dream of liberal eradication of yours will soon be realized and you can finally be happy.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 4:13 pm
Bhawk
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She was a pretty beatable candidate from the get-go.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 4:17 pm
alloak41
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She mismanaged something? Don't even go there, not with the usual scapegoats like FOX News, the Russians, or racist hayseeds, etc, etc, etc, etc....

They still don't get it!!

No election defeat is ever due to their own BEHAVIOR, or JOB PERFORMANCE, or POLICY POSITIONS...There are always other factors to blame outside of themselves and I don't foresee that changing any time soon. And before you start in on the popular vote BS, there are 49 other States besides California. The map is almost solid red so WTFU.

Such anger and sore winning. Maybe that dream of liberal eradication of yours will soon be realized and you can finally be happy.

It's a process. The Democrats seem all too willing to help, so please stick with all the scapegoats. Totally in out of touch denial.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 4:25 pm
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She mismanaged something? Don't even go there, not with the usual scapegoats like FOX News, the Russians, or racist hayseeds, etc, etc, etc, etc....

They still don't get it!!

No election defeat is ever due to their own BEHAVIOR, or JOB PERFORMANCE, or POLICY POSITIONS...There are always other factors to blame outside of themselves and I don't foresee that changing any time soon. And before you start in on the popular vote BS, there are 49 other States besides California. The map is almost solid red so WTFU.

Such anger and sore winning. Maybe that dream of liberal eradication of yours will soon be realized and you can finally be happy.

It's a process. The Democrats seem all too willing to help, so please stick with all the scapegoats. Totally in out of touch denial.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

The Democrats should be in search of leadership.
But no!
They keep blaming everyone and everything that had nothing to do with losing the election and cling to their failed agenda.

Perfect. The country will be much better off.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 5:39 pm
alloak41
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Such anger and sore winning.

No anger here, brother love. Sore winning? LOL.
It's pretty apparent the Democrats are the sore
losers.

Let me guess, it's someone else's fault.


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 6:05 pm
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Such anger and sore winning.

No anger here, brother love. Sore winning? LOL.
It's pretty apparent the Democrats are the sore
losers.

Let me guess, it's someone else's fault.

What's on the news today is that Russia hires warehouses full of people to go on line and do what you are doing. I am not saying you're a commie but two out of the three of you on here possibly are. 😮


 
Posted : December 15, 2016 6:27 pm
Bhawk
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You guys can smirk; but you still don't get it. Romney lost 2016 with his 47 pct comment. Hillary blew 2016 with her deplorables comment. No one likes being made fun of or demeaned

of course trump did demean or put anyone down...............got it.

Hillary missed what was literally a 4" putt.

What President-Elect Trump did or did not say has little to do with how she mismanaged her campaign...

She mismanaged something? Don't even go there, not with the usual scapegoats like FOX News, the Russians, or racist hayseeds, etc, etc, etc, etc....

They still don't get it!!

No election defeat is ever due to their own BEHAVIOR, or JOB PERFORMANCE, or POLICY POSITIONS...There are always other factors to blame outside of themselves and I don't foresee that changing any time soon. And before you start in on the popular vote BS, there are 49 other States besides California. The map is almost solid red so WTFU.

Such anger and sore winning. Maybe that dream of liberal eradication of yours will soon be realized and you can finally be happy.

It's a process. The Democrats seem all too willing to help, so please stick with all the scapegoats. Totally in out of touch denial.

At least you finally admit your desire to eliminate those who disagree.


 
Posted : December 16, 2016 7:34 am
Bhawk
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Such anger and sore winning.

No anger here, brother love. Sore winning? LOL.
It's pretty apparent the Democrats are the sore
losers.

Let me guess, it's someone else's fault.

Must've upset you enough to respond to it twice, and we ain't brothers.


 
Posted : December 16, 2016 7:35 am
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Was there this kind of retro-bashing of rightwingers here after Obama won? It is really poor sportsmanship.


 
Posted : December 16, 2016 7:52 am
Bhawk
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Was there this kind of retro-bashing of rightwingers here after Obama won? It is really poor sportsmanship.

There was a bit of friendly givin' each other grief chiding before moving on, but those days are long gone.


 
Posted : December 16, 2016 10:50 am
BoytonBrother
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No anger here, brother love. Sore winning? LOL.
It's pretty apparent the Democrats are the sore
losers.

Let me guess, it's someone else's fault.

LOL, ok. Coming from someone who just used caps lock, exclamation points, italics, and acronyms with profanity, a wish to eliminate a political party - but you're not angry. No, not at all. You have never been man enough to be honest or show humility.

I would love for you to try and sell how you are any different from the Liberals you bash, since you blamed Obama for everything. How are you any different? Sounds like a lot of self-loathing.


 
Posted : December 16, 2016 12:44 pm
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And the internal slaughter begins in Clinton land:

Clinton advisers point fingers at Huma Abedin, inner circle for loss
Published December 18, 2016 - FoxNews.com

Emails suggest Huma Abedin was careless with classified info

While many of Hillary Clinton’s top advisers have focused their post-presidential election fury on blaming alleged Russian interference and FBI Director James Comey for Clinton’s loss, some in the so-called “Hillaryland” orbit are looking inward, including pointing fingers at Clinton’s most-trusted aide: Huma Abedin.

“The real anger is toward Hillary’s inner circle,” a Clinton insider told Vanity Fair for a Wednesday feature on Abedin. “They reinforced all the bad habits.”

One of the most important people in that “inner circle” was Abedin, 40, who has been by Clinton’s side since she was a White House intern during President Bill Clinton’s tenure. The email trove hacked from Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta and posted on WikiLeaks shows Abedin, the estranged wife of disgraced ex-Congressman Anthony Weiner, as an important resource for the campaign. The vice chair of the Clinton campaign, Abedin offered guidance on Clinton’s probable thoughts regarding upcoming events, meetings and calls before the requests ever made it to the Democratic presidential candidate. While her fingerprints don’t often appear on policy issues, she weighed in with authority on most other matters.

Clinton was known to keep an extremely small and tight-knit group around her, and, indeed, during the 2016 primary and presidential campaign, the core group – including Campaign Manager Robbie Mook, Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri, adviser Cheryl Mills, Podesta and Abedin – never changed.

One Clinton insider, however, said the closeness of that group also created problems, prompting dismissive answers when new ideas that originated outside the circle were suggested, Vanity Fair reported.

“Where in most presidential campaigns the circle grows broader and broader, hers grew smaller and smaller,” a source told Vanity Fair.

A spokesperson for the Clinton campaign disputed that notion to Vanity Fair and said the campaign’s plane seated up to three times as many people during the run-up to the November vote. Abedin declined to be interviewed for the feature.

Abedin’s proximity to Clinton – and in turn the limelight – also created another issue, according to some observers.

“She was enjoying the red carpet and enjoying the photo spreads much too much in my opinion,” one Clinton insider told Vanity Fair. “She enjoyed being a celebrity too much.”

Though Abedin’s next move seems to be in limbo now that Clinton’s political career appears to be over, she was recently spotted at Clinton’s “Thank You” holiday party for top-tier donors on Thursday and then at an after party with fellow attendees Mick Jagger and Reese Witherspoon, The New York Post reported.

“Maybe I’m just p----- off, but I really don’t give a s--- about what happens to Huma to be honest with you,” one close adviser to Clinton told Vanity Fair.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/18/clinton-advisers-point-fingers-at-huma-abedin-inner-circle-for-loss.html


 
Posted : December 18, 2016 3:44 pm
alloak41
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No anger here, brother love. Sore winning? LOL.
It's pretty apparent the Democrats are the sore
losers.

Let me guess, it's someone else's fault.

LOL, ok. Coming from someone who just used caps lock, exclamation points, italics, and acronyms with profanity

?


 
Posted : December 18, 2016 3:56 pm
alloak41
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Whoops. Sorry about the question mark. Means I'm angry I guess.


 
Posted : December 18, 2016 3:57 pm
Muleman1994
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Dems still going after each other:

Interim DNC chair Brazile appears to contradict Obama's hacking comments
Published December 19, 2016 - FoxNews.com

The interim Democratic National Committee Chair Donna Brazile said Sunday that cyberattacks against the party occurred every day through the end of the election.

"They came after us absolutely every day until the end of the election. They tried to hack into our system repeatedly," Brazile added.

Brazile’s comments were made on ABC News’ “The Week” and were apparently contradicting what President Barack Obama said Friday when he revealed that the hacking was halted in September after he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin at an international summit and told him to “cut it out.”

Obama stopped short of saying Putin himself orchestrated the Russian hacking of U.S. political sites during the election – but he did say it was done at the highest levels of the Kremlin.

Democrat Hillary Clinton has even more directly cited Russian interference. She said Thursday night, "Vladimir Putin himself directed the covert cyberattacks against our electoral system, against our democracy, apparently because he has a personal beef against me."

Obama didn’t publicly back that theory

Brazile also blasted President-elected Donald Trump, claiming the he used the hacked emails that were released to the public to divide the country during the campaign.

“The emails were weaponized. Donald Trump used this information in ways to also sow division. I was very disappointed in his repeated usage some of the stolen information. He used it as if he received daily talking points,” she said.

Brazile didn’t put the full blame on Russia. She admitted that the DNC itself was partly to blame for the loss because the committee put itself into a vulnerable spot.

“There’s no question I took full responsibility. I spent the entire month of July, all of August, apologizing because of the leaks,” she said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/interim-dnc-chair-brazile-appears-to-contradict-obamas-hacking-comments.html


 
Posted : December 19, 2016 6:00 am
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