People can argue back and forth who won the first Presidential debate, but that is NOT the issue facing America. The issue is the difference in leadership and guidance which effects the everyday lives of Americans. The two candidates do have some very different beliefs.

Rabbi Cahn, author of The Harbinger wrote an article called The Abolition of Gray 2016. The differences in the two presidential candidates are:

Hillary supports abortion [killing the unborn]

Hillary supports gay marriage

Hillary supports laws started during the Bush days to take away religious liberty of individuals, this continued thru the Obama administration. You can see God's name is being banned in schools and other places.

Hillary supported repealing the Hyde Amendment of 1976. The Hyde Amendment forbid using federal funds to pay for abortions. If she wins in November, tax dollars, yours and mine will be used to fund abortions, regardless of how you feel about it. Your tax dollars will fund the murder of unborn children.

Hillary supports disarming the public, even wanted to do that globally with that legislation that failed to pass in the UN.

She supports a new world order, which has a ONE WORLD GOVT., ONE WORLD KING, and the prophecy is there as to who that person will be who rules the world, the anti-Christ will assume that position.

These points are not in accordance with the laws God gave to the Jews, the Christians or the Muslims.

Donald on the other hand

Is against killing unborn children.

Believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Will fight to keep your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Will fight to keep your right to bear arms to protect your property, family and way of life.

Donald supports state sovereignty, he will build a wall to stop Mexican refugees from coming in, and interfering with our running our country. State sovereignty is necessary to stop the ONE WORLD ORDER, THE NEW WORLD ORDER. As a non interventionalist, he will not keep us in wars overseas, erasing the borders of the countries of the Middle East to further the agenda of Operation Clean Break which was the brainstorming idea of the New World neocons.

How do you want to live, under a one world dictator, or in a Democratic country, with state sovereignty, recognized and well defined borders? This is one of the most pivotal elections in history, if you eff this up, it may not be able to be fixed later on.

He can negotiate with world leaders, they have already came out supporting him and said they could work with him. Powerful leaders of nuclear armed countries. He is the one that can keep you safe. Hillary went lots of places as a Secretary of State, but it was always John Kerry who was sent to do serious deals, wasn't it? If she couldn't do the deals as Secretary of State, how do you expect her to do them as President?

These are basic things. Everyone will tell you they will create jobs, etc. etc. but who has beliefs more in line with what God gave as his guidance to ALL peoples of the world?

DONALD TRUMP.

[Edited on 9/28/2016 by gina]

Lots of misinformation here.

Trump says he is against abortion now, although he previously supported it. You're probably right about that.

Trump has said that gay marriage should be up to the states, which is not what you are implying here. Does this even matter anymore since it has already been decided by the courts?

Hillary does not support taking away religious liberty. What she supports is treating all religions evenly protecting the rights for minority religions.

Exactly what foreign leaders do you think support Trump? As far as I can tell, the list is Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Netanyaho. Pretty safe today that all of the leaders of NATO nations support Clinton, as do the leaders of Mexico, Australia, New Zealand.

And anyone who thinks Clinton supports The New World Order is nuttier than a jar of Peanut butter..

Donald is against abortion, but he said he will follow the law. Right now the law permits it, so he will follow it, but he is not in favor of it. Would he work to repeal it? That I don't know.

Yes he has said the marriage should be up to the states, the government should not be forcing gay marriage on an entire nation. States should have the right to decide because different communities have people with different beliefs, the government should not have been involved in the marriage business. His personal belief is that marriage is between a man and woman. He will not discriminate against gay people or advocate it, but his core belief is in line with what God handed down to all the peoples he gave guidance to. As to does this matter anymore? Yes it does, historically, God punished and destroyed peoples and states who practiced homosexuality. He destroyed Muslim lands where that was going on also. Since Islam was the last guidance given to any peoples, it means he did not change his mind after giving guidance to the Jews, then the Christians. His laws were the same for the Muslims regarding this.

How does Hillary treat all religions evenly if God's name is forbidden to be in schools, or mentioned etc. etc. Her answer before the US drone program was begun in Pakistan as to would she tell them before a drone was sent if the US had actionable intel was she would tell them AFTER it was sent. What respect is that for the Muslims in the area where the drones are being deployed? None, they are accepted as collateral damage. That is not acceptable foreign policy or showing respect for the religion. Many of the people targeted are the WRONG PEOPLE. They shoot and kill scholars, yet they allow ISIS to do whatever they please. They most recently sent two drones after someone who had actually left the Pakistani Taliban because he felt they were not following Islam since they were joining with Isis after Hakimullah Mehsud's death. He rebuked and rebuffed Isis and his former fighters, so the US sends hellfire drones on him resulting in a five hour firefight that killed him, his son and others, who only wanted to live in peace with dignity.

RE: the NWO, it was HER political people invited to the most recent Bilderberg conference, and they are part of the New World Order. "The factoid appeared along with a list of attendees, one of whom is Jim Messina of The Messina Group – who just happens to be a chief advisor to Hillary Clinton. Messina also heads up the super PAC Priorities USA, which supported Obama and is now firmly in the Clinton camp."

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2015-full-attendee-list-agenda/

One of the key topics was the US elections. Just a coincidence? Yeah sure.

The key topics for discussion this year include:
•Artificial Intelligence
•Cybersecurity
•Chemical Weapons Threats
•Current Economic Issues
•European Strategy
•Globalisation
•Greece
•Iran
•Middle East
•NATO
•Russia
•Terrorism
•United Kingdom
•USA
•US Elections

[Edited on 9/28/2016 by gina]

[Edited on 9/28/2016 by gina]

Here's the list for the 2016 attendees of the Bilderberg Group private meeting.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bilderberg-2016/

Here are the key topics of this year’s meeting – according to the official Bilderberg website.
1.Current events
2.China
3.Europe: migration, growth, reform, vision, unity
4.Middle East
5.Russia
6.US political landscape, economy: growth, debt, reform
7.Cyber security
8.Geo-politics of energy and commodity prices
9.Precariat and middle class
10.Technological innovation

They run the world.

How does Hillary treat all religions evenly if God's name is forbidden to be in schools, or mentioned etc. etc.

How are you treating religions equally if it is taught in schools? Which religion should be taught? Should they use a dart board? Buddhist in first grade. Scientology in the second grade. Christian in the 3rd grade. Mormonism in the 4th grade. That sounds fair. Or, maybe it might be easier just to let children go to Sunday school instead and learn about whatever religion a child's family chooses.

Its kind of a "Sign of the Times", and sad, when the major talking point from the debate is about these dumb remarks Trump said about a beauty contestant 20 yrs ago. How relevant is this when we are deciding on our next president ? This is a comedy in the making. I don't care if it was the other way around coming from the republicans, its ridiculous no matter what.

God help us!!

This is the world we live in folks!! 😛 😉

[Edited on 9/29/2016 by jszfunk]

these dumb remarks Trump said about a beauty contestant 20 yrs ago. How relevant is this when we are deciding on our next president ?

Since he has no public record to run on, everything about what he has said/done in the past is relevant and open to scrutiny. Actually, I don't know how anyone could think that it isn't relevant, it speaks to character (or lack thereof). Of course if you don't think that character is important in a POTUS then I guess you would think it is irrelevant.

[Edited on 9/29/2016 by gondicar]

How does Hillary treat all religions evenly if God's name is forbidden to be in schools, or mentioned etc. etc.

How are you treating religions equally if it is taught in schools? Which religion should be taught? Should they use a dart board? Buddhist in first grade. Scientology in the second grade. Christian in the 3rd grade. Mormonism in the 4th grade. That sounds fair. Or, maybe it might be easier just to let children go to Sunday school instead and learn about whatever religion a child's family chooses.

Mainstream secular schools do not need to teach religion, if they wanted to do something they could just teach the original laws and guidance given to Abraham before organized religions were formed. I would call it religious history, just like regular History, in that course they could show what was given to Abraham, and then what religions did with that knowledge, ie. Christianity's deviation from that in the 4th century , etc. There could be electives after this basic education so that those who choose to learn more about a particular religion could do so, rather than taking the normal b.s. courses offered in most schools.

I do agree that the bulk of the child's religious education would occur outside the home in the Temple, Church, Masjid that coincides with the parents beliefs. Those who do not have religion can just go home and play video games on their phones, watch tv or do whatever they are doing now. There cannot be compulsion or forcing of religion on anyone. Neither should it be forbidden to anyone to remember God, since there is only one true God anyway.

these dumb remarks Trump said about a beauty contestant 20 yrs ago. How relevant is this when we are deciding on our next president ?

Since he has no public record to run on, everything about what he has said/done in the past is relevant and open to scrutiny. Actually, I don't know how anyone could think that it isn't relevant, it speaks to character (or lack thereof). Of course if you don't think that character is important in a POTUS then I guess you would think it is irrelevant.

[Edited on 9/29/2016 by gondicar]

This is true, and this will happen, the bigger picture is how Trump or Hillary will lead the country and what beliefs they have and legislation they pass or veto based on those things. The Supreme Court Judges is one area of difference, which is why their beliefs matter. Gun Control and the right to bear arms is another HUGE issue, Trump will not allow Americans to be disarmed, Hillary wants that, when a public is disarmed they cannot protect themselves from a tyrannical govt. Even if one is not in place at the time of the disarmament, you never know how it will change later on, which is why the public cannot risk having their Constitutional right to bear arms to defend themselves taken away. The financial system, our trade deals and foreign policies all tie in together, Hillary's would be a continuance of what Obama has in place, Trumps would differ.

So it comes down to how they would govern and the differences on the issues, the rest is just politics trying to sway people to or away from one candidate/party.

Noteworthy is October 1st, the internet legislation, the US giving up control of the internet in this country and opting for a board involving foreign countries to control and make changes to how it functions, what sites people can see etc.

Oct. 1st - the renewal of the Yuan to the basket of Special Drawing Rights world reserve currencies, and the IMF plans to raise interest rates. Is it the beginning of the end of the dollar as the world's reserve currency as many fear?

Oct. 14 - the CDC Legislation noted in another thread.

Dec. 1 - the emergency funding to prevent the govt. shutdown expires, what then?

Lots of things happening and more that we don't even know what to expect.

None of this nonsense matters because we have freedom of religion in the country. Go ahead and practice what ever religion makes you feel good however you like, but leave the rest of us out of it.

She supports a new world order, which has a ONE WORLD GOVT., ONE WORLD KING, and the prophecy is there as to who that person will be who rules the world, the anti-Christ will assume that position.

This is absolutely bat shit crazy.

None of this nonsense matters because we have freedom of religion in the country. Go ahead and practice what ever religion makes you feel good however you like, but leave the rest of us out of it.

She supports a new world order, which has a ONE WORLD GOVT., ONE WORLD KING, and the prophecy is there as to who that person will be who rules the world, the anti-Christ will assume that position.

This is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Actually, Chop, this is relatively sane for Gina. She believes time travelers have discovered that Mars is a slave planet in the year 6530. A true Trump supporter's grasp on reality.

Actually, Chop, this is relatively sane for Gina. She believes time travelers have discovered that Mars is a slave planet in the year 6530. A true Trump supporter's grasp on reality.

Oh I know, I usually leave it alone for the crazy it is, but that anti-Christ bit made me laugh.