Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Then I guess you are not happy now that he wants to continue DACA. I guess you are angry that Mexico isn't paying for the wall. How are those coal jobs coming along? Are you going to get one?
Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Then I guess you are not happy now that he wants to continue DACA. I guess you are angry that Mexico isn't paying for the wall. How are those coal jobs coming along? Are you going to get one?
Maybe Trump will remind us tonight that Mexico will pay for the wall. It would be laughable for him to request the funds from US taxpayers tonight given that he campaigned on this religiously.
Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Maybe, but the Trump superfans on the other hand, not so much. I understand the political stance. I’m more interested in why they are so passionate about it. I know for a fact it has nothing to do with concern for people or the country.
I truly believe the far right extremists and Trump lovers are informed, but choose to embrace his rhetoric because they are filled with hate
I believe this is why Trump won, right here in a nutshell.
Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Then I guess you are not happy now that he wants to continue DACA. I guess you are angry that Mexico isn't paying for the wall. How are those coal jobs coming along? Are you going to get one?
Who cares if I am not happy. Maybe you can explain to me why the democrats are furious at this generous offer? I believe its like DACA+ and more, so it covers many people here already. I think its a fair compromise and both sides should be a hell of a lot closer on a deal.
Trump voters embrace unpopular opinions like opposing DACA. It's not hate
Then I guess you are not happy now that he wants to continue DACA. I guess you are angry that Mexico isn't paying for the wall. How are those coal jobs coming along? Are you going to get one?
Who cares if I am not happy. Maybe you can explain to me why the democrats are furious at this generous offer? I believe its like DACA+ and more, so it covers many people here already. I think its a fair compromise and both sides should be a hell of a lot closer on a deal.
What color is the sky on the planet you live on? It is blue here on earth.
Maybe you can explain to me why the democrats are furious at this generous offer?
Furious? Maybe they are following the tactics of our leader. Shouldn’t we aspire to be like our leaders? To answer your question, while they appreciate the amnesty Trump gave to them, the issue that remains is whether it’s wise to spend $25 billion on a wall that probably won’t work. If the ICE raids are working and illegal border crossings are down, why the need for a wall? How about directing the $25 billion to programs that help our seniors and retirees, or healthcare, or a myriad of other things that we desperately need.
The border crossings are down, alot of people like to throw around this "45 year low" figure. And that is good, but we are still talking about over 300,000 people per year getting apprended between southern ports - and those are just the ones they catch. Maybe they are doing a better job now, but it was reported just a few years ago they had a 50% success rate for catching those who cross. Then there is something like another 100,000 that try and come through the regular ports of entry that aren't authorized. Great, numbers are down, but we are still talking about alot of people. There is still work to be done to make getting into our country and staying here illegally more difficult.
The only way it works is for appetite of bipartisan work. I don't want one party writing an immigration overhaul, much of what I believe aligns closely with the view on the right or even the far right ,and while I would rather see reform skewed that way, everyone must be able to give input and tweak areas of importance to both the minority and majority parties. Neither side should get what they want - that isn't what the country needs, everyone needs to have a say and you give a little to get a little.
I would say, the proposal from the White House is tilted to the right. Putting 1.8 million illegals under DACA/Dreamers on a pathway to citizenship is a concession, but then the right get everything else they are asking for. So it is reasonable to think the Senate will put forth a counteroffer.
There was enough bipartisan support in the Senate for the 2013 bill (14 Republicans with all Democrats). It made e-Verify mandatory - I would LOVE that. It eliminated the diversity lottery and instead implemented a merit based system - sound familiar? It reduced those eligible for family reunification aka chain migration - again sound familiar. It went pretty far with border security enhancements. Not as far as a super charged Trump proposal, but pretty far. These are concessions made by the Democrats. If they had to do it on their own they would not work hard to enact changes like this that aren't necessarily important to them and may go against some of the beliefs among their base. But the Republicans didn't like the number eligible for amnesty, or didn't like amnesty at all. Didn't like the means and methods for the criminal background checks. Didn't trust the security implementation part of the bill. And perhaps mostly, didn't like giving the Democrats and Obama a win.
Then why not the House drafts their own bill and try to hammer the two out in committee? Make the security measures more likely to go into force. Write language detailing the background check process (like making major crimes still count against an individual even it it was plead down).
I mean, there is a way. But they have to want to do it and there has to be concessions. And rather than worrying about giving one side or the other a victory - do it in a way where both sides can claim success.
But unfortunately that is not how Washington works. We just saw the shit show blame game and who won with the shut down. The Schumer Shutdown, The Trump Shutdown, we win, they lost, they caved, the base is pissed, nothing can get done, better to keep it shutdown and fight, better to look to the next election when we can just do it all our way and leave the wedge issues for the campaign trail. Fvck....
The border crossings are down, alot of people like to throw around this "45 year low" figure. And that is good, but we are still talking about over 300,000 people per year getting apprended between southern ports - and those are just the ones they catch. Maybe they are doing a better job now, but it was reported just a few years ago they had a 50% success rate for catching those who cross. Then there is something like another 100,000 that try and come through the regular ports of entry that aren't authorized. Great, numbers are down, but we are still talking about alot of people. There is still work to be done to make getting into our country and staying here illegally more difficult.
The only way it works is for appetite of bipartisan work. I don't want one party writing an immigration overhaul, much of what I believe aligns closely with the view on the right or even the far right ,and while I would rather see reform skewed that way, everyone must be able to give input and tweak areas of importance to both the minority and majority parties. Neither side should get what they want - that isn't what the country needs, everyone needs to have a say and you give a little to get a little.
I would say, the proposal from the White House is tilted to the right. Putting 1.8 million illegals under DACA/Dreamers on a pathway to citizenship is a concession, but then the right get everything else they are asking for. So it is reasonable to think the Senate will put forth a counteroffer.
There was enough bipartisan support in the Senate for the 2013 bill (14 Republicans with all Democrats). It made e-Verify mandatory - I would LOVE that. It eliminated the diversity lottery and instead implemented a merit based system - sound familiar? It reduced those eligible for family reunification aka chain migration - again sound familiar. It went pretty far with border security enhancements. Not as far as a super charged Trump proposal, but pretty far. These are concessions made by the Democrats. If they had to do it on their own they would not work hard to enact changes like this that aren't necessarily important to them and may go against some of the beliefs among their base. But the Republicans didn't like the number eligible for amnesty, or didn't like amnesty at all. Didn't like the means and methods for the criminal background checks. Didn't trust the security implementation part of the bill. And perhaps mostly, didn't like giving the Democrats and Obama a win.
Then why not the House drafts their own bill and try to hammer the two out in committee? Make the security measures more likely to go into force. Write language detailing the background check process (like making major crimes still count against an individual even it it was plead down).
I mean, there is a way. But they have to want to do it and there has to be concessions. And rather than worrying about giving one side or the other a victory - do it in a way where both sides can claim success.
But unfortunately that is not how Washington works. We just saw the shit show blame game and who won with the shut down. The Schumer Shutdown, The Trump Shutdown, we win, they lost, they caved, the base is pissed, nothing can get done, better to keep it shutdown and fight, better to look to the next election when we can just do it all our way and leave the wedge issues for the campaign trail. Fvck....
Cute attempt at spin.
President Trump has put on the table a solution for our country's illegal immigration problem.
The Democrats have offered no plan.
That is okay,
The People understand that the left supports drug and gun trafficking. We know the left is all in favor of human trafficking.
Criminal illegal aliens will be deported.
The Wall will be built!
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
I live in the factual world son.
The Democrats, screaming DACA,DACA DACA have offered nothing to resolve the illegal immigration matter.
Put up or shut up.
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
I live in the factual world son.
The Democrats, screaming DACA,DACA DACA have offered nothing to resolve the illegal immigration matter.
Put up or shut up.
Mule lives in ignorance, otherwise known as right wing spin. It's no dreamland, really more of a white room with padded walls and jackets with really long arms. They put a picture of Trump on the wall to allow for Mule's release of sexual tension. Ok, maybe that is Mule's dreamland.
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
I live in the factual world son.
The Democrats, screaming DACA,DACA DACA have offered nothing to resolve the illegal immigration matter.
Put up or shut up.
Mule lives in ignorance, otherwise known as right wing spin. It's no dreamland, really more of a white room with padded walls and jackets with really long arms. They put a picture of Trump on the wall to allow for Mule's release of sexual tension. Ok, maybe that is Mule's dreamland.
Put up or shut up.
You lefties offer nothing to solve the illegal immigration problem.
Having nothing is your standard stance.
President Trump has put on the table the solution that more the 74% of the country supports.
The Democrats have offered nothing.
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
I live in the factual world son.
The Democrats, screaming DACA,DACA DACA have offered nothing to resolve the illegal immigration matter.
Put up or shut up.
Mule lives in ignorance, otherwise known as right wing spin. It's no dreamland, really more of a white room with padded walls and jackets with really long arms. They put a picture of Trump on the wall to allow for Mule's release of sexual tension. Ok, maybe that is Mule's dreamland.
Put up or shut up.
You lefties offer nothing to solve the illegal immigration problem.Having nothing is your standard stance.
President Trump has put on the table the solution that more the 74% of the country supports.
The Democrats have offered nothing.
There is a bipartisan bill being worked on that has the support of at least 7 Republican senators. Personally what this country needs is more bipartisan bills and less catering to the far right and left extremes. I know you hate bipartisanship, but that's what makes me a realist and you a far right wing wacko out of touch with reality.
The Democrats, screaming DACA,DACA DACA have offered nothing to resolve the illegal immigration matter.
Put up or shut up.
I feel bad for you bro. You have your dream scenario - Trump is President. Republicans control Washington. Democrats are powerless and irrelevant, right? Yet you are clearly still an angry miserable human being. If you harbor this anger in your dream scenario, then your life truly sucks.
There goes Muleman again, not even realizing that I would be considerably closer to his "side" than that of the left. The difference? I try to live in reality. Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
+1
Re-stating the obvious, some find this funny, I am not sure we there to laugh or cry...........Peace.......joe
‘Patriotic’ Trump Supporter Finds Out She Was Tricked By Russian Trolls And Her Reaction Is Hilarious
The border crossings are down, alot of people like to throw around this "45 year low" figure. And that is good, but we are still talking about over 300,000 people per year getting apprended between southern ports - and those are just the ones they catch. Maybe they are doing a better job now, but it was reported just a few years ago they had a 50% success rate for catching those who cross. Then there is something like another 100,000 that try and come through the regular ports of entry that aren't authorized. Great, numbers are down, but we are still talking about alot of people. There is still work to be done to make getting into our country and staying here illegally more difficult.
The only way it works is for appetite of bipartisan work. I don't want one party writing an immigration overhaul, much of what I believe aligns closely with the view on the right or even the far right ,and while I would rather see reform skewed that way, everyone must be able to give input and tweak areas of importance to both the minority and majority parties. Neither side should get what they want - that isn't what the country needs, everyone needs to have a say and you give a little to get a little.
I would say, the proposal from the White House is tilted to the right. Putting 1.8 million illegals under DACA/Dreamers on a pathway to citizenship is a concession, but then the right get everything else they are asking for. So it is reasonable to think the Senate will put forth a counteroffer.
There was enough bipartisan support in the Senate for the 2013 bill (14 Republicans with all Democrats). It made e-Verify mandatory - I would LOVE that. It eliminated the diversity lottery and instead implemented a merit based system - sound familiar? It reduced those eligible for family reunification aka chain migration - again sound familiar. It went pretty far with border security enhancements. Not as far as a super charged Trump proposal, but pretty far. These are concessions made by the Democrats. If they had to do it on their own they would not work hard to enact changes like this that aren't necessarily important to them and may go against some of the beliefs among their base. But the Republicans didn't like the number eligible for amnesty, or didn't like amnesty at all. Didn't like the means and methods for the criminal background checks. Didn't trust the security implementation part of the bill. And perhaps mostly, didn't like giving the Democrats and Obama a win.
Then why not the House drafts their own bill and try to hammer the two out in committee? Make the security measures more likely to go into force. Write language detailing the background check process (like making major crimes still count against an individual even it it was plead down).
I mean, there is a way. But they have to want to do it and there has to be concessions. And rather than worrying about giving one side or the other a victory - do it in a way where both sides can claim success.
But unfortunately that is not how Washington works. We just saw the shit show blame game and who won with the shut down. The Schumer Shutdown, The Trump Shutdown, we win, they lost, they caved, the base is pissed, nothing can get done, better to keep it shutdown and fight, better to look to the next election when we can just do it all our way and leave the wedge issues for the campaign trail. Fvck....
Cute attempt at spin.
President Trump has put on the table a solution for our country's illegal immigration problem.
The Democrats have offered no plan.That is okay,
The People understand that the left supports drug and gun trafficking. We know the left is all in favor of human trafficking.
Criminal illegal aliens will be deported.
The Wall will be built!
The wall will still be a big waste of money
I agree with the thread title if the poster meant “rude” when he wrote “ignorant”. However, if he meant it as “uninformed”, then I’d disagree. I truly believe the far right extremists and Trump lovers are informed, but choose to embrace his rhetoric because they are filled with hate.
Let's change the end of the last sentence, tweak it just a bit...
(I truly believe the far right extremists and Trump lovers are informed, but choose to embrace his rhetoric because they are sick of "Political Correctness")
Well, "ingnorant" is a pretty general term, so in an effort to clarify a bit, I will try to elaborate. By calling these folks "ingnorant, I meant to say they are classless, self-rightous, self-entitled, racist, ill mannered and incredibly STUPID. Watch the video of the woman above, again, I will use the general term "ingnorant" if anyone has better term for these folks, please share. The folks in Arizona were so dumb, they didn't even have a clue who they were harassing, they just saw brown skin and knew it was time to harass. Disgusting!!! I did think it was a nice touch, however, harassing and abusing the kids as well as adults, might as well teach them right away who's in charge and how things are gonna be!!!! I am sure the big orange pile of crap was very proud of his minions.........Peace.......joe
I think the extent of Trump lovers being informed, goes as far as what his tweets say and what Fox News says?.............Peace...........joe
[Edited on 2/23/2018 by crazyjoe]
Trump supporters or not, many of our nation's citizens get their news from social media. Some replies I've read I've had to just SMH in bewilderment.
As I've posted before, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
America The Beautiful!
Muleman lives in right-wing dream land.
Is there a left-wing dreamland?