You said it yourself, Trump has been a public figure in pop culture for 35 years. Was Obama?
Few even knew who he was or much of anything about him. Unlike Trump, for most people he pretty
much came out of nowhere. Yet, still he wasn't vetted and much of his life remains a mystery even
to this day.

Yes, but still, according to you, anything that Trump has done makes no difference. By that logic, nothing that Obama has or hasn't done shouldn't apply either.

Being friends with the Clintons or traveling in the same circles with politicians doesn't make you one. Prior to this election, he has never run for/nor served a day in an elected office. You may object to the
term "outsider." Let's try "non-politician." How's that?

Use whatever term you want. I personally do not believe that anyone, ever, will go in and singlehandedly change the way Washington does business. Trump or anyone else.

Not surprisingly, you fail to view Trump as a success in business. Many would differ. Millions upon
millions try, and few accomplish what he has. He hasn't been a Boy Scout or been free of failure, not
unlike many world class entrepreneurs.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

The incessant effort to make him out to be some horrible person in general is not having much of an effect.

I see. Again, you've added anything he actually says or does to the list of things not to be considered. It's all about what others do, not what he does. Party of Somewhat Personal Responsibility!

Democrats tend to do that with every Republican candidate it's gotten stale. Beyond stale.

Indeed. Republicans have never said one negative thing about any Democrat, ever.

You said it yourself, Trump has been a public figure in pop culture for 35 years. Was Obama?
Few even knew who he was or much of anything about him. Unlike Trump, for most people he pretty
much came out of nowhere. Yet, still he wasn't vetted and much of his life remains a mystery even
to this day.

Yes, but still, according to you, anything that Trump has done makes no difference. By that logic, nothing that Obama has or hasn't done shouldn't apply either.

Being friends with the Clintons or traveling in the same circles with politicians doesn't make you one. Prior to this election, he has never run for/nor served a day in an elected office. You may object to the
term "outsider." Let's try "non-politician." How's that?

Use whatever term you want. I personally do not believe that anyone, ever, will go in and singlehandedly change the way Washington does business. Trump or anyone else.

Not surprisingly, you fail to view Trump as a success in business. Many would differ. Millions upon
millions try, and few accomplish what he has. He hasn't been a Boy Scout or been free of failure, not
unlike many world class entrepreneurs.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

The incessant effort to make him out to be some horrible person in general is not having much of an effect.

I see. Again, you've added anything he actually says or does to the list of things not to be considered. It's all about what others do, not what he does. Party of Somewhat Personal Responsibility!

Democrats tend to do that with every Republican candidate it's gotten stale. Beyond stale.

Indeed. Republicans have never said one negative thing about any Democrat, ever.

Home run.

This is the real world? I need to get me some of that real world livin!

The toy limos are a nice touch.

You said it yourself, Trump has been a public figure in pop culture for 35 years. Was Obama?
Few even knew who he was or much of anything about him. Unlike Trump, for most people he pretty
much came out of nowhere. Yet, still he wasn't vetted and much of his life remains a mystery even
to this day.

Yes, but still, according to you, anything that Trump has done makes no difference.

Never said that. Not once. The things that frighten you and concern you about the man do
not concern me. Sorry. Keep trying.

You said it yourself, Trump has been a public figure in pop culture for 35 years. Was Obama?
Few even knew who he was or much of anything about him. Unlike Trump, for most people he pretty
much came out of nowhere. Yet, still he wasn't vetted and much of his life remains a mystery even
to this day.

Yes, but still, according to you, anything that Trump has done makes no difference.

Never said that. Not once. The things that frighten you and concern you about the man do
not concern me. Sorry. Keep trying.

So, you didn't type this?

His supposed bad past behavior has been magnified x10,000 since he entered the race with a R next
to his name. Do you expect me to critique every other businessman in the country? What he does
after he's elected is what's important to me.

You're a lot like Trump..."Don't listen to what I say, listen to what I say."

You said it yourself, Trump has been a public figure in pop culture for 35 years. Was Obama?
Few even knew who he was or much of anything about him. Unlike Trump, for most people he pretty
much came out of nowhere. Yet, still he wasn't vetted and much of his life remains a mystery even
to this day.

Yes, but still, according to you, anything that Trump has done makes no difference.

Never said that. Not once. The things that frighten you and concern you about the man do
not concern me. Sorry. Keep trying.

So, you didn't type this?

His supposed bad past behavior has been magnified x10,000 since he entered the race with a R next
to his name. Do you expect me to critique every other businessman in the country? What he does
after he's elected is what's important to me.

You're a lot like Trump..."Don't listen to what I say, listen to what I say."

What's your point? You come to some strange conclusions.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

I disagree. Private business and public service, holding public office, are two completely different animals.
You are making the case that one automatically projects itself onto the other. Not buying it.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

I disagree. Private business and public service, holding public office, are two completely different animals.
You are making the case that one automatically projects itself onto the other. Not buying it.

Of course it's ridiculous. Your repeated assertions that Trump's past doesn't count because it wasn't in politics makes me laugh and cringe at the same time. According to your logic everyone who has never been in politics is more qualified for office than anyone who has. Ridiculous.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

I disagree. Private business and public service, holding public office, are two completely different animals.
You are making the case that one automatically projects itself onto the other. Not buying it.

Actually you are talking about the same animal inhabiting two different environments. If you take an animal out of its natural environment and drop him into a completely new one with no transition or training time, chances of survival are not very good. Take a lion, king of the jungle, and drop him into the middle of the ocean and he's gonna drown or be fish food. To say it another way, leopards don't change their spots.

Donald Trump wants the Clinton Foundation and its contributors investigated. Fine, I don't have a problem with that.

Donald Trump contributed to the Clinton Foundation. So, in effect, Trump is calling for an investigation into himself, among others.

We have gone beyond the pale.

Trump admits he gave to politicians for favors. He played the game.

One silver lining if Hillary gets elected is that some property might be returned to the White House.
Stuff they stole on the way out last time.

Maybe. But they were so broke coming out of the White House they probably had to pawn it.

I believe it's time to try someone from the business world. He's lived in that real world, not the product of an Ivy League Law library or faculty lounge.

George W. Bush
B.A, History - Yale
M.B.A., Harvard Business School, the only President to have earned an MBA
Founder and Chairman, Arbusto Energy
Managing General Partner, Texas Rangers
End of his 2nd term, near collapse of American economy

The housing bust had nothing to do with it I suppose or the repeal of Glass-Steagall under Clinton.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

I disagree. Private business and public service, holding public office, are two completely different animals.
You are making the case that one automatically projects itself onto the other. Not buying it.

Actually you are talking about the same animal inhabiting two different environments. If you take an animal out of its natural environment and drop him into a completely new one with no transition or training time, chances of survival are not very good. Take a lion, king of the jungle, and drop him into the middle of the ocean and he's gonna drown or be fish food. To say it another way, leopards don't change their spots.

It really comes down to this: alloak41 is so partisan that he'll used any excuse, no mater how ludicrous, to ignore the troubling past of his party's candidate.

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It really comes down to this: alloak41 is so partisan that he'll used any excuse, no mater how ludicrous, to ignore the troubling past of his party's candidate.

How could you write this in light of your party rigging the nomination process, misusing gov resources and power, and ultimately giving a crook the nod to represent democrats?

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It really comes down to this: alloak41 is so partisan that he'll used any excuse, no mater how ludicrous, to ignore the troubling past of his party's candidate.

How could you write this in light of your party rigging the nomination process, misusing gov resources and power, and ultimately giving a crook the nod to represent democrats?

What a load of BS. You are great for making accusations, but you are weak on giving any proof of them.

Speaking of crooks, would you say a guy who hires companies to do work for him and then refuses to pay them, forcing many of these companies out of business, is an honest upstanding citizen?

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely. Trump validates their hatred and reckless behavior. He says the things they are not allowed to say. It doesn't matter what he does. He is worshipped for what he has already said, and that's enough for the average trump supporter.

Boyton you are really off base with this wild analysis of the Trump candidacy and his supporters.
You should get out of your bubble and stop believing the CNN and MSNBC propaganda that stereotype the Trump voters as uneducated wild eyed sheet wearing confederate flag flying gun polishing toothless jobless and of course the cherry on top - racist .

In the 2016 election cycle, its now important for MSNBC and CNN to segregate republican supporters into who has and who does not have a college education? Why is CNN not using the same language when talking about Democratic voters?

Is Trump preparing to shut down the Trump Foundation? What steps is he taking to decouple himself from his business interests if elected president?

just wondering

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

Another sign of maturity is to be a patient and objective listener. Trump never called out the "entire
group." He called out thugs, murderers and rapists among the entire group, one's that are here illegally
and/or shouldn't have been given permission to live here. It's amazing how a basic, preconceived dislike
of someone causes sudden hearing problems.

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

Another sign of maturity is to be a patient and objective listener. Trump never called out the "entire
group." He called out thugs, murderers and rapists among the entire group, one's that are here illegally
and/or shouldn't have been given permission to live here. It's amazing how a basic, preconceived dislike
of someone causes sudden hearing problems.

Yes he did. He said that they were not sending their best, they were sending rapists, drug dealers etc.

A sign of maturity is to understand the words that are said.

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

Another sign of maturity is to be a patient and objective listener. Trump never called out the "entire group." He called out thugs, murderers and rapists among the entire group, one's that are here illegally and/or houldn't have been given permission to live here. It's amazing how a basic, preconceived dislike of someone causes sudden hearing problems.

Are you saying he has not changed his stance on immigration?

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

...as you call out the entire group of Trump supporters. Rich.

No, it's not rich. There are voters and there are supporters. I've heard a few rational explanations as to why someone is voting for him. Someone who cares only about economics and believes he can turn around the economy is one valid reason IMO. By supporters, I mean the fans, the ones who cheer him on - that I can't rationalize - just how I see it.

I've never said he hasn't been successful. Never once. However, if you are going to make his business success and business practices his number one qualification for being President, the insistence that how he does business doesn't matter is plainly ridiculous.

I disagree. Private business and public service, holding public office, are two completely different animals.
You are making the case that one automatically projects itself onto the other. Not buying it.

According to your logic everyone who has never been in politics is more qualified for office than anyone who has. Ridiculous.

Dream on.....Everyone? Charlie Manson has never been in politics. Let's elect him!

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

Another sign of maturity is to be a patient and objective listener. Trump never called out the "entire group." He called out thugs, murderers and rapists among the entire group, one's that are here illegally and/or houldn't have been given permission to live here. It's amazing how a basic, preconceived dislike of someone causes sudden hearing problems.

Are you saying he has not changed his stance on immigration?

If I was saying that I would have typed it.

One silver lining if Hillary gets elected is that some property might be returned to the White House.
Stuff they stole on the way out last time.

Maybe. But they were so broke coming out of the White House they probably had to pawn it.

Not only flat broke, but "in debt!"

People need to realize that Trump supporters do not care about his policies. He could flip flop on everything and it wouldn't matter. Why? Because from day 1 when Trump called out the Mexicans, he became a hero. He is supported by all the angry hateful people who take the easy way out in life and just lash out instead of handle conflict like an adult. It's much easier to just rage against an entire group(s), than to identify the root of a problem and resolve it maturely.

Another sign of maturity is to be a patient and objective listener. Trump never called out the "entire group." He called out thugs, murderers and rapists among the entire group, one's that are here illegally and/or houldn't have been given permission to live here. It's amazing how a basic, preconceived dislike of someone causes sudden hearing problems.

Are you saying he has not changed his stance on immigration?

If I was saying that I would have typed it.

Easy there big fella.

. . .the CNN and MSNBC propaganda that stereotype the Trump voters as uneducated wild eyed sheet wearing confederate flag flying gun polishing toothless jobless and of course the cherry on top - racist

Wow! You heard that on CNN and MSNBC?

Boyton you are really off base with this wild analysis of the Trump candidacy and his supporters.
You should get out of your bubble and stop believing the CNN and MSNBC propaganda that stereotype the Trump voters as uneducated wild eyed sheet wearing confederate flag flying gun polishing toothless jobless and of course the cherry on top - racist .

For the record, I think we are all racists on some level, even the left. I just believe the right is higher on the scale.

OriginalGoober, I should explain more about myself so you aren't misunderstood about me. I don't follow CNN or MSNBC or Fox News. Any 24-7 news channel isn't news - it's propaganda. I would support regulation to ban 24-hour news channels. I used to work in media, and I hold media to a higher standard than what it is right now, on both sides.

So then where do I get my views from? I get them from what I saw in my family first and foremost. Secondly, I formed them from what I saw after I graduated from college - all from personal experiences. From my perspective, the happiest and most successful people in life do not harbor anger and blame. The happiest and most successful people I know do not get angry, but rather analyze a scenario and create a really good solution. This to me is the single most important characteristic in life - what do you do when faced with conflict? Those who get angry and blame are automatically out in my book. Those who can remain calm, non-judgmental, analyze, and solve problems, are who I want to follow. If I saw that from conservatives, I'd be conservative. But I only see it on the left. Does the left have its issues? Of course! They have plenty of flaws. But the flaw I'm describing in the right is something I can't get past. I believe that flaw is severely damaging and reckless, more than the flaws that the left has.

Since that is the platform that matters to me the most, then how can you say I'm wrong about Trump supporters? Show me where they remain calm and non-judgmental in the face of conflict? Show me where they have presented really good practical, logical solutions to problems. Show me where Trump chose to NOT blame somebody. Unfortunately, he chooses not to worry about that. It's not a platform that is important to him or his supporters, and for that reason, I'm out.

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From my perspective, the happiest and most successful people in life do not harbor anger and blame. The happiest and most successful people I know do not get angry, but rather analyze a scenario and create a really good solution. This to me is the single most important characteristic in life - what do you do when faced with conflict? Those who get angry and blame are automatically out in my book. Those who can remain calm, non-judgmental, analyze, and solve problems, are who I want to follow. If I saw that from conservatives, I'd be conservative. But I only see it on the left.

See what on the Left? A riot? Simply unbelievable post.