Some (not all)liberals posting here are way more classy post -election than the democratic leadership is exhibiting. Thats why its so much fun to watch this meltdown. Will a new democratic leader with a spine emerge from this wreckage?
I watched the rightists in Washington and all around the country meltdown like five year olds for eight years solid. Never once found it fun.
You wanted two different Americas, you got it.
democratic leaders should work to help quell the hostility. When the left is angry things spiral into violence quickly.
but absolutely more at odds with the left
But I thought you didn't judge people until you met them? You sure have no problem doing it with Mexicans and liberals you read about. If you didn't like it when I did it to you, then perhaps you should refrain from doing it to others.
democratic leaders should work to help quell the hostility. When the left is angry things spiral into violence quickly.
You support a guy who urged his supporters to physically attack people who disagreed with him. He even offered to pay their lawyer fees. Now you want Democrat leaders to quell the hostility? Your hypocrisy is amazing.
democratic leaders should work to help quell the hostility. When the left is angry things spiral into violence quickly.
You wanted two Americas, you got it.
Be nice to take a tally of the riot's that are and have gone on.Then add up who are democrat,Killary/Hussein/BERNIE supporters VRS Trump/Republicans.Betcha my softail,mobile BBQ smoker,and arsenal the dem's,Killary,Bernie,Obama supporters would come in at a 1,000-1.
which proves what to you? Trump recommended violence during his campaign, remember? They appear to be following the lead.
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Can we at least agree that it is never right for anyone - on the right or the left - to initiate violence against others? Dissent and peaceful protests are one thing...but destruction of property and physically attacking those who have opposing views is wrong no matter which side it is coming from.
My question is...where was law enforcement? I read somewhere that there were NO arrests. Was law enforcement instructed to stand down, and if so, why? I've read various accounts...but apparently there was something like 100-200 of these agitators, and apparently the rioting went on for quite some time. Were the cops just standing around watching? What about the safety of the college students who were there, either to peacefully protest or attend the event? Was it total incompetence or an intentional stand down?
but absolutely more at odds with the left
But I thought you didn't judge people until you met them? You sure have no problem doing it with Mexicans and liberals you read about. If you didn't like it when I did it to you, then perhaps you should refrain from doing it to others.
"at odds" as in "to disagree"...which has little or nothing to do with "Judging"....lol
Can we at least agree that it is never right for anyone - on the right or the left - to initiate violence against others?
Not anymore. Not when the President ran a campaign urging violence, and was then voted in. That's a declaration that violence is now acceptable, per the President of the United States. We all heard it.
"at odds" as in "to disagree"...which has little or nothing to do with "Judging"....lol
I like how you are adding "lol" to the end of your posts to signify that you are not offended. Hysterical. Anyway, you said "Mexicans have no respect for American laws". If you don't see that as a judgment of character, then I'm at a loss for words.
Can we at least agree that it is never right for anyone - on the right or the left - to initiate violence against others?
Not anymore. Not when the President ran a campaign urging violence, and was then voted in. That's a declaration that violence is now acceptable, per the President of the United States. We all heard it.
I'm not asking you what Trump said. I'm asking about your own personal code of ethics. If Trump made those statements then those statements should be called out and condemned. I don't think we should be condoning violence from either side. Nor do I believe we should be basing our personal code of ethics on what the president says. I believe that it is always wrong to initiate violence against another person or group of people. I was hoping that everyone here shared that belief. But I guess not.
Can we at least agree that it is never right for anyone - on the right or the left - to initiate violence against others?
Sure, but do these disclaimers have to eternally be given? A vast, vast majority of people agree with this.
However, equally as wrong is when 10 anarchists throw rocks at a coffee shop, they are regarded as representative of the entire left. This happens constantly.
By most reports, the Berkeley violence was the work of around 150 masked people. The balaclava is the trademark of anarchists.
Let's say that we define the "left" as just people that voted for Clinton. 150 people out of 65 million is 0.0002%. Besides, anarchists don't vote anyway. If you believe that 0.0002% is representative of 65 million, then further conversations like these are pointless.
Richard Spencer recently posted this on his twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/827239243214827520
Doesn't really matter to me if someone punches that guy, unless you think that placing liberals in concentration camps is something worth defending.
The expectation that any and all human beings will take endless amounts of verbal abuse and not eventually retaliate violently goes against basic human nature. Right or wrong, it's gonna happen. Arguments turning to violence goes back to Cain and Abel.
The president of the United States urged violence during his campaign, and he was voted in by the right. Any violence you see on the news is a direct result of what they voted in. I do believe that the President should be an example of what American code of ethics should be. A leader is meant to be followed.
One of the most stupid things I read on the Whipping Post is - "where was the outrage when..."
It is a tired, way over used line.
Just my opinion of course.
Some (not all)liberals posting here are way more classy post -election than the democratic leadership is exhibiting. Thats why its so much fun to watch this meltdown. Will a new democratic leader with a spine emerge from this wreckage?
Hey goob,
Look at your word, "meltdown". The fact of the matter is that can just about describe minimally a once a day event with Trump. His typical day is - who is he going to antagonize, piss off, go after, make a lie about, make up facts, try to minimize, etc.
The president of the United States urged violence during his campaign, and he was voted in by the right. Any violence you see on the news is a direct result of what they voted in. I do believe that the President should be an example of what American code of ethics should be. A leader is meant to be followed.
X2
He used it as a calling card to earn votes. He knew he could appeal to factions of voters and amp up anger. What a strategy to get votes; truly an honorable individual and someone you would want as a role model for your kids or grandkids. 😛
Interesting that there are folks on here that at the very least are making light of the use of physical violence and the destruction of property, and at worst seem to actually be defending those actions and crimes.
And BoyntonBrother, just a couple of weeks ago you tried to convince me that individuals should not "let" political ideology affect them. Now you are arguing that we should allow a political leader to define our personal code of ethics. And the violence is coming from left wing anarchists. So you think their actions and crimes should be ignored simply because of some comments Trump made on the campaign trail?
BrerRabbit - I have no idea what you are talking about. But if you are talking about the pipeline...well, I am opposed to the pipeline. So I would stand with the Indians and farmers on that issue.
Interesting that there are folks on here that at the very least are making light of the use of physical violence and the destruction of property, and at worst seem to actually be defending those actions and crimes.
How very weasel-wordy in a non-specific way! Clever!
Bhawk - I totally agree that arguments escalating to violence are going to happen. My question pertains to how should we respond when it does happen...do we condone/encourage it or do we condemn it? Do we view it as wrong or right behavior? I would think that no matter how nasty we get towards one another on these forums, and no matter how heated the debate or how wide the political divide...I'm assuming that if we ever met face to face we would not have a desire to physically assault one another. I have lots of friends, co-workers, and family from all across the political spectrum. However, none of us believe that the initiation of violence is morally right. Even my friends from the far left corner are not defending what happened at Berkeley. But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.
But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.
Who are these folks you keep referring to?
Look, the whole respectful agree to disagree thing, society is past that. The chasm deepens every day.
As to the Berkeley incidents, again...
Let's say that we define the "left" as just people that voted for Clinton. 150 people out of 65 million is 0.0002%. Besides, anarchists don't vote anyway. If you believe that 0.0002% is representative of 65 million, then further conversations like these are pointless.
A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?
A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?
Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?
Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?
However, none of us believe that the initiation of violence is morally right. Even my friends from the far left corner are not defending what happened at Berkeley. But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.
Ok, so it was wrong. What is your point? That they are typical of the left? If you believe that then you are a fool. We all know violence exists, so isn't the bigger story that our President urged violence during his campaign?
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A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?
Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?
Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?
Obtuse deflections, no counters to engage in deeper discussion. Been here before.
A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?
Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?
Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?
The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. The people who were actually protesting him were also attacked, right alongside Milo supporters, by the anarchists dressed in black. So it's kind of a clusterF.
The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .
Don't hold back...
The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .
Don't hold back...
The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .
Don't hold back...
I thought I was. He thinks he's some anti-PC crusader, but he's just a loud, racist attention-seeker. But if you'd like to tell me I'm wrong and defend him, have at it...
What a world we live in when a white, gay, jewish man is labeled a nazi.
