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Why would he need to "rehearse"?

Because they're professional musicians.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 9:05 am
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Why would he need to "rehearse"?

Because they're professional musicians.

Fair enough as an excuse. I've been playing for 40 years now (far from professional) and am always happy and flattered when called up on stage to play with bands. So no player has ever hit the stage with the brothers for an encore or what have you, "spur of the moment"?...I find that very hard to believe.
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Posted : November 7, 2014 9:13 am
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Why would he need to "rehearse"?

Because they're professional musicians.

Fair enough as an excuse. I've been playing for 40 years now (far from professional) and am always happy and flattered when called up on stage to play with bands. So no player has ever hit the stage with the brothers for an encore or what have you, "spur of the moment"?...I find that very hard to believe.
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They always rehearsed pretty extensively before tours, Beacon runs, and with guests they often rehearsed before shows or even at intermission. They probably would rehearse a 12-bar blues with someone who'd already played the song with them before, but these guys hadn't played together in years and years.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 9:30 am
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Why would he need to "rehearse"?

Because they're professional musicians.

Fair enough as an excuse. I've been playing for 40 years now (far from professional) and am always happy and flattered when called up on stage to play with bands. So no player has ever hit the stage with the brothers for an encore or what have you, "spur of the moment"?...I find that very hard to believe.
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I can see why Dickey would want some rehearsal time. With all the drama/baggage surrounding his staus with the band, I am sure he'd want to play his best. Warren/Derek versions of things are different without Dickey. Jessica and Liz Reed are a lot looser and even unreconozable at times. Dickey's has said he likes structure, "musical architecture" he called it. I doubt he'd want to look sloppy or worse playing his own songs.

I also don't think rehearsal time was a deal breaker. I think this es guys just don't want to see eachother let alone play together.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 9:33 am
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He's saying the insult is that there wasn't much rehearsal time and that they wanted him to play a couple of songs in the second set and not, I don't know, a whole set or a whole show. Not that they wanted to rehearse in the first place. Regardless, this does show you why it was never going to work out. And after all this is not the first time this happened.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 9:44 am
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When Pink Floyd reunited for Live 8, the rehearsals went well from the music point of view, but they needed the time to get used to just being around each other again.

By then end of it all there was still palpable tension. Ain't easy dancin' with an ex.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 9:48 am
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He's saying the insult is that there wasn't much rehearsal time and that they wanted him to play a couple of songs in the second set and not, I don't know, a whole set or a whole show.

I was wondering whether it was any/all of this, or if it had anything to do with being invited 3rd-to-last show instead of the last show to cap off the band. To your other point, I agree it wasn't ever going to work out. I'm sure the parameters of any invite was pretty much dictated by the ABB camp (as probably should be) and was more like "we'll give you 20-30 mins (or 2-3 songs) at the end of the 2nd set on the Saturday night show". And that was it, take it or leave it. If Dickey is fine in his own mind with never playing with those guys again, then he's never going to agree to it on their terms without having some say in it.

Coincidentally, I was watching the Live8 Floyd reunion just last night on youtube. Awesome performance and definitely some tensions in the air (not the least of which, me thinks, because the setlist largely made Gilmour out as the star of the band). Big difference in that situation, as far as analogies go, is that Waters was very commercially successful on his own post-split and very much wanted to see the reunion happen, and he was therefore humble enough to allow it to happen. Also, he had largely patched things up individually with each member other than Gilmour, and even with Gilmour they had spoken amicably since the split even if they weren't overly friendly.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 11:44 am
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Based on the Facebook thread I read it appears that Dickey was asked to play the 2nd set of Monday's show.

And if Spero was hoping the invite would actually happen, coming out guns-ablazing in his reaction to Gregg's interview before the final shows probably didn't lower the tensions any.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 11:58 am
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I guess I should post exactly what Butch and David said. Maybe it will help make things more clear.

Here:

Butch Trucks: Now, either will the real David Spero tell the truth or, if you wrote this do the same?

Butch Trucks: David, if this is you, how about telling the full story. This was true Oct 20. It was not true later. I know that and you do too.

David Spero: Yes...Butch Trucks was correct. After all the backlash from Gregg's false comments, the ABB manager called me late Thursday night and said they decided that Dickey could come play the 2nd set for the second to last show. Not a whole show, not the LAST show. We took it as an insult since it was the social media that seemed to force this 'invite'.....if they really wanted him, the ask would have come weeks ago so they could rehearse and present it properly. Not 48 hours before. It certainly wasn't a priority for them so in turn it wasn't a serious offer to Dickey. Still...to this day, not one of the Brothers from his days with them has called him personally to invite him. Come see some spirited play when Dickey and Derek and Susan's band play a couple of festival dates together in Florida mid January.

It's over....what happened is the past. I spent all day with Dickey yesterday and the last thing he is doing is crying in his milk over all this. Many of the ugly comments towards the band are really unfounded. The internal happenings were never meant for public consumption, and much of it is heresay...and doesn't justify answering. All involved know the truth, accept it and are moving on. The music made with Dickey and Duane and Berry and the current lineup will live on forever. There is no doubt the ABB/Dickey Betts fans are the best in the world. Forget the politics, forget the fighting....get to the core of it. An amazing library of music. Keep listening.....that's what really counts!

Butch Trucks: David. I was involved and I know the truth. One of these days I am going to write it all down. We'll see what you have to say then. I will start by saying Dickey was NEVER "fired". Again, I know that and so do you. Doesn't stop him from saying it over and over.

[Edited on 11/7/2014 by Spiritof76]


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:16 pm
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BigV,

Why did you post that link to DB & GS? After hearing that slide I am thinking about Van Goghing my ears.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:25 pm
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Based on the Facebook thread I read it appears that Dickey was asked to play the 2nd set of Monday's show.

can someone post a link to this thread?

id like to read it......

thanks....


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:35 pm
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Why would he need to "rehearse"?

Because they're professional musicians.

Fair enough as an excuse. I've been playing for 40 years now (far from professional) and am always happy and flattered when called up on stage to play with bands. So no player has ever hit the stage with the brothers for an encore or what have you, "spur of the moment"?...I find that very hard to believe.
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They rehearse a ton, and it shows. Just listen to the first show and the last show, pro musicians don't just walk on stage and feel each other out, even if it's familiar songs. The arrangements and cues have gone in such different directions over the years for the respective bands you would need to work that out in advance - everyone has to be on the same page. Just look at how much tighter the band gets from the 1st show to the last show. Yeah, we talking 'bout practice.

That said, hopefully we don't have to hear much more bickering from these two camps now that it's over. I hate it when mom and dad fight.


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Posted : November 7, 2014 12:49 pm
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it doesn't matter....it's over....o my god....don't people have better things to discuss.....it doesn't matter...it's over...o my god, and on and on and on......


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:53 pm
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From the Rolling Stone interview with Derek:
Derek reveals that there was "a lot of communication between his camp and our camp" about Betts joining the group onstage at the Beacon – "right up to rehearsal, even during the show week" – but to no avail. Each side, Derek claims, let the notion die.

That sure as heck sounds like communication started before the final Thursday. Rehearsals were the week prior (though I'm sure the rehearsed during the run).


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:54 pm
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Nothing wrong with discussing it. It's interesting. At least we are talking about stuff from a week ago and comments from a band member and Dickey's manager this week on the topic.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 12:56 pm
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After all the backlash from Gregg's false comments, the ABB manager called me late Thursday night and said they decided that Dickey could come play the 2nd set for the second to last show. Not a whole show, not the LAST show.

So, he was invited. Period.

BigV,

Why did you post that link to DB & GS? After hearing that slide I am thinking about Van Goghing my ears.

Because this is the music Dickey's supporters say "Sounds great"...about a week ago.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 2:51 pm
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Who lied?

Who cares.

Or was that already mentioned in the previous pages?


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 3:01 pm
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BigV,

Why did you post that link to DB & GS? After hearing that slide I am thinking about Van Goghing my ears.

Because this is the music Dickey's supporters say "Sounds great"...about a week ago.

Guess that explains the need for rehearsals!


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 3:27 pm
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So if Dickey had played and perhaps hit a bum note or song a word a little off, it would have ruined the night? You guys need to remember that it is only R&R.

If he had hit the stage, the place would have erupted and many here would be talking about being there for a magical moment. Amazing how it would have ruined it for people not even in the building and thousands of miles away in some cases. Many act as if Dickey stole their wife and kicked them in the nuts.

God forbid that a singer in the ABB had an off moment. Perhaps being brought down in the mix for much of the 90s, forgetting lyrics or bailing on shows but then performing soon after solo. Or postponing/cancelling solo shows due to illness and then booking other shows for the same time.

It would have been a few songs and a fitting end. I guarantee that Warren/Derek and Jaimoe felt that way.

Butch will explain it all in his book I guess. Can't wait for the Moogis chapter.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 5:12 pm
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Many act as if Dickey stole their wife and kicked them in the nuts.

HA HA HA HA!!! Thats pretty funny!!! And dead on!!


Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,

 
Posted : November 7, 2014 5:53 pm
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So if Dickey had played and perhaps hit a bum note or song a word a little off

...it would've qualified as a miracle...

You guys need to remember that it is only R&R.

Yes. We were talking about what we wanted and hear to see at an R&R performance and the reasons for that. Give the high horse a rest- he needs a night off.

I guarantee that Warren/Derek and Jaimoe felt that way.

No, you can't. That's awfully presumptuous of you since Jaimoe was one of the people Dickey sued. But even if Warren and Derek and Jaimoe did feel that way, we wouldn't be required to agree with them. Warren thought having Kid Rock sit in was a good idea. 😉

[Edited on 11/8/2014 by Marley]


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 6:12 pm
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It's Friday! Nothing like some ABB drama to keep the vibe alive! Cool


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 6:12 pm
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Nothing wrong with discussing it. It's interesting. At least we are talking about stuff from a week ago and comments from a band member and Dickey's manager this week on the topic.

I agree.

The preponderance of evidence is Dickey was invited. Will everyone be in one accord about his playing ability at present? I doubt it, however it makes for an interesting debate.


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 7:58 pm
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My high horse? That is pretty comical coming from you. You are the one getting all bent out of shape over something that didn't happen.

Your Kid Rock example is perfect. After all the guests that this lineup has had, you have a problem with the guy who started the band with them, wrote so many classics and kicked our asses countless times over the years. Pretty logical guest to end it all with to me. You act as if the very notion wounds you. You can relax as it didn't happen.

I would have loved to see and hear it and anybody who thinks it would have been bad with those guys playing with him, just doesn't get what Brotherhood really is. Have you ever heard anyone that didn't sound better playing with Warren and/or Derek?

If admitting that I would have enjoyed seeing Dickey with the band one last time is riding a high horse then Giddy Up!

It may be hard for you to imagine but not everyone is required to agree with you too. The difference being that those guys have a history with Dickey and you don't. Hearing Dickey and Warren do BWIAB would have been amazing. That was always one of Warren's best solos and I haven't heard him play it in years.

[Edited on 11/8/2014 by CanadianMule]


 
Posted : November 7, 2014 10:04 pm
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My fault as I forgot completely about the insisting on a high level of technical ability.

I also failed to use the ABB Fortune Teller Ability that everyone else uses to see just how bad it would have been. Everyone seems to have already heard the songs that were never played. Appreciate the reviews as it will save me from buying a show that doesn't exist.

I am one of the lucky ones that has seen Dickey solo many times and have lucked in on either good or really good shows.

Maybe you guys are right and an older Dickey might screw up some parts. Add that to Gregg's missed lyrics/cues and Jaimoe's back/stamina and it would be a nightmare. Those couple of songs might have destroyed the entire ABB legacy had they been played.


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 4:07 am
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Either way, to answer the question "who lied, Derek Trucks or David Sperro?" It looks like the answer is neither. According to the timeline that Butch put out, when Sperro responded to Gregg's interview saying he had been contacted, Sperro was correct in there hadn't been contact yet. Derek said the band contacted Dickey during rehearsal and even during the show week, which apparently did happen. The way Butch's timeline falls, it would have both of them telling the truth.

Now it looks like someone lied which got Sperro involved and get this all started, but it doesn't seem to be either of the two in the subject of this thread.

[Edited on 11/8/2014 by WarEagleRK]


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 5:18 am
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It may be hard for you to imagine but not everyone is required to agree with you too..

To be fair...according to Butchie on the blue site, he is....

"a well known and respected ABB historian"

😛


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 5:20 am
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God forbid that a singer in the ABB had an off moment. Perhaps being brought down in the mix for much of the 90s, 80's/70's( forgetting lyrics or bailing on shows but then performing soon after solo. Or postponing/cancelling solo shows due to illness and then booking other shows for the same time.


Fixed that for ya', and....But that's not the same!!! 😉


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 5:25 am
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I think what we have here are simply differing opinions on how to rate a musical performances.

Boom!


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 6:07 am
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The only reason I am glad Dickey did not show Saturday, is because I did not go that night, and would have been VERY disappointed to miss it.

I really don't care about the war of words between Gregg, Butch and Spero and who was telling the truth..

It seems appropriate to me that Bert Holman, as manager for the ABB reached out to David Spero, manager for Dickey, to arrange an appearance. Should the call have been made before October 20th? Sure, but since when has the ABB been well organized?

Who cares if Dickey's performance would have been superb or sub-par? The roar of the crowd and crappy sound in the Beacon would have made it irrelevant.

People used to complain about the appearances of the likes of Hubert Summlin with the ABB. For sure, the man was a shadow of himself when he sat in the with ABB. But the smiles of Derek and Warren watching him on stage were priceless.

Maybe he will be invited and make an appearance at the next reunion show.


 
Posted : November 8, 2014 6:33 am
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