Big discussion over at Steve Hoffman forums that a box set coming via Bill Levensen -
3 CD / 1 BD set !!!! Per Bill on FB
Bill's screen shot:
Amazon pre order is up ! November 6th ! Don' let the bloated price scare you, typical Amazon practice. That price will drop like a stone.
Check out Bill Levenson's Facebook page for more discussion, and details.
This is exciting, however for those of us without Facebook, can someone post the information on here?
right now 2 of the bonus tracks look like they are on the dreams boxset
Yes, but...
" The Liz Reed alternate take is studio and it is much slower than the one everyone is familiar with..It is really cool... " - a friend of Bill's that got to hear this at Bill's home.
There is a version of "One More Ride" with Gregg on vocals that has not been officially released. Maybe that will be will be included on the reissue. The version with vocals is a bit muddied so it would have to be cleaned up for official release. If an archival concert is included on the reissue, I would nominate the May 2, 1970 show from Swarthmore, Pa. Includes two songs from "Idlewild South" and a varied set list with lead vocals from Duane on "Dimples" and Berry on "Hoochie Coochie Man" and "Oh, Pretty Woman."
I would readily 2nd that njwolf, IF the current source material was worth putting the effort into to improve the sound enough -- don't have this one anymore (sound not the best), but as you said, also, the horns on Liz Reed & St.Mndy really add A Lot & make it the varied type show it is
[Edited on 9/5/2015 by Stephen]
Is there enough material from the IS sessions to "fill" a separate CD of alts and outtakes, ala the Brothers & Sisters box set? I thought there might be enough to maybe tack onto the original album, which is only 31 minutes.
Stephen,
I found two versions of the May 2, 1970 show on YouTube. I think this one has the better sound quality:
Duane sounds in a good mood when he talks in between songs.
Someone at Hoffman noticed the Japanese version of this lists the word " garage " as the second and third CD content, and we're thinking it might be Ludlow's Garage ?
If so, hopefully it's not a re-release of the Ludlow's show that is already out.
I'm in it for the 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio melf.
Someone at Hoffman noticed the Japanese version of this lists the word " garage " as the second and third CD content, and we're thinking it might be Ludlow's Garage ?
Can't imagine they would do this even if only because there's only one track, Hoochie Coochie Man, on Ludlow's Garage that appears on Idlewild South. I'd like to think they'd pick a live show that has more songs from the album on it.
I saw the text that accompanied that Japanese release and most of the text was nonsense. I guess due to a very poor language conversion tool. Only real English word was indeed "Garage" but i doubt that text has any significance. Would not make much sense to re-release those same Ludlow Garage recordings as bonus tracks.
Time will tell.
Oh, here's that text:
Japanese info: 3CDs SHM & 1 Blu Ray Audio
DISC1: " Isle de Wild South " remastered
DISC2 / 3: Raddoro garage Live
DISC4: " Isle de Wild South " BLU-RAY AUDIO
Island of the Wild South has always been one of my favorite Allmond Brothel Brand albums.
Well, Bill just confirmed my guess on Facebook :
" Ludlow remastered w Liz Reed added. Blu Ray for 5.1 mix and high res stereo. "
Well, to be honest that's a major bummer. No new unheard professional live recordings from the vaults (isn't there really nothing left?) but a re-release of Ludlow Garage, a recording that the vast majority of peachheads already owns. And that added "Liz Reed" has been available on bootlegs and in the trading community for ages.
From the "Ludlow Garage" show only "Liz Reed" and "Hoochie Coochie Man" could also be found in their studio version on "Idlewild South" while 3 songs were from their debut album. Therefor "Ludlow Garage" would have been more suitable for bonus discs for a deluxe edition of their debut. Too bad that the ABB archives / vaults appear to be so empty or that there are neverending legal matters obstructing the release of some real gems.
That's very disappointing about the live material. So much potential there.
What about this infamous 60-minute version of `Mountain Jam' from 1970 that I've been
hearing about for years? Couldn't they have put that on a disc in this set? Timeline is
certainly right....
[Edited on 9/9/2015 by DarylM]
There could be a lot of issues at hand:
1. Lack of quality recordings from this era?
b Lack of ownership by who is releasing this set of any live shows?
III- Lack of planning/effort?
4) Someone stepped in and was ok with that being the show since the public already has it and it wouldn't be new mistakes being brought to the public. (since apparently someone blocks releases due to not wanting mistakes being released)
My guess is, they just don't have a lot of quality audio that is actually owned by the band or by the label releasing it. I could be wrong and someone who knows (RobJohnson, Alan Paul) please correct me if I am, but the band itself has little to nothing to do with these types of release as they own almost nothing of their back catalog due to bad early record deals.
Does anyone actually know how many shows were even recorded by the ABB back in the 70's? It seems like much fewer than we think.
Either way, it is greatly disappointing that the live show on this release is something that pretty much all of us already have.
As far as 60 minute Mountain Jams and 4 and 5 hour shows, my guess is those are things of myth and exaggeration.
[Edited on 9/9/2015 by WarEagleRK]
As far as 60 minute Mountain Jams and 4 and 5 hour shows, my guess is those are things of myth and exaggeration.
Well, regarding Mountain Jam it's not a myth and only a mild exaggeration since it's "only" approx. 55 minutes: http://abbdiscography.duaneallman.info/cdrdecatur05231970.htm
Peach Cobbler Vol. 6 ("Mountain Jam") has this on it:
1. Mountain Jam intro > (8:10)
2. drums > (5:27)
3. Berry bass solo > (8:34)
4. Mountain Jam > (5:10)
5. Will The Circle Be Unbroken > (5:46)
6. Bo Diddley > Spacey jam > (11:48)
7. Mountain Jam > (2:28)
8. Rock and Roll jam > (2:31)
9. Mountain Jam finale (5:03)
10. encore intro (0:49)
11. Don't Want You No More > (2:21)
12. It's Not My Cross To Bear (5:20)
I'm not stating that these recordings could qualify for being included as bonus tracks for a deluxe release but merely as a reply to your above statement regarding myths/exaggerations.
I stand corrected.
As far as 60 minute Mountain Jams and 4 and 5 hour shows, my guess is those are things of myth and exaggeration.
There seems to be some fair amount of decent, trade able recordings, but nothing much like the Fillmore East box that could be release commercially. There also seems to be lots of ownership issues. However, the 4-5 hour shows seem to be myth since those recordings -- in any sound quality -- don't seem to have been offered for trades or vines.
I do recall seeing pictures of some shelves of tapes at the Big House so there must be SOMETHING there ...
Outside of June 26, 1971 and maybe some rehearsals, I think the 4 to 5 hour shows are a myth, especially in 1971. I wish there was more available material to release, including a jam with Luther Allison on 10/16/71. I wonder also if there is a better sbd recording of 5/2/70. There are some nice sounding shows from 1971 including 1/17/71, 2/28/71, and the Fillmore West/Winterland shows from January 1971 but most of the set lists are identical. Releasing Ludlow again seems redundant. Perhaps the sound will be improved.
As far as 60 minute Mountain Jams and 4 and 5 hour shows, my guess is those are things of myth and exaggeration.
There seems to be some fair amount of decent, trade able recordings, but nothing much like the Fillmore East box that could be release commercially. There also seems to be lots of ownership issues. However, the 4-5 hour shows seem to be myth since those recordings -- in any sound quality -- don't seem to have been offered for trades or vines.
I do recall seeing pictures of some shelves of tapes at the Big House so there must be SOMETHING there ...
My point exactly. I have no notions that there are tons of professionally recorded/mastered live shows collecting dust in Gregg's basement. But there has to be something out there, something other than Ludlow's Garage, that's worth releasing. I have to think that the folks in charge of this reissue know that there will be frustration from the fans about this, but there's nothing they can do about it. This begs the question: If they can't pull something new together for a reissue, then what does that say about the possibility of future archival releases?
I know not that long ago it was mentioned that there was a "At Fillmore West" release that was ready to go at some point, but then scrapped. Too bad that one wasn't dug back up.
It's a shame that there isn't a good ongoing archive program for this great band.
I think releasing Ludlow Garage as the bonus material makes all the sense in the world, for several reasons.
1) It was recorded right before the band recorded Idlewild South, and is a pretty good picture of where the band was at that time.
2) It is a damn good performance, including a Mountain Jam that remains possibly my favorite ABB jam ever.
3) If there is any live recording in the whole Allman catalog that could use some sonic refurbishing, Ludlow would be it.
Give me a chance to hear those versions of Mountain Jam and Dreams in better sound quality and I'm a happy camper.
Agreed that Ludlow needs an upgrade. I just wish that it would have been done as a stand alone and this set have something not previously available.
