
I'm for open borders.

I'm for open borders.
Could not disagree more.
But thanks for clearing that up.

Could not disagree more.
But thanks for clearing that up.
No problem. My opinion is moot, a pipe dream of an uattainable world of cooperation and prosperity. So nothing to argue about, the Babylonian warring nation-state paradigm isn't going away anytime soon. We all have our Quixotic visionary quirks, like actually living the teachings of Christ, or having a Libertarian in the Whie House.

a pipe dream of an unattainable world of cooperation and prosperity
Not "unattainable"...just not going to happen until every nation carries its own weight. No one wants to consistently carry or support anyone. Marriages, friendships, neighborhoods etc. Everyone is successful and content when the load and responsibility are shared by all involved.

" Why is the Immigration Problem so Difficult"
I would add that the refugees seeking "Asylum" are not strengthening their case by flying the Flag of the Country they are fleeing while claiming oppression. Not throwing rocks when their attempt to scale a border wall is refused night also help their cause, as would the cessation of placing children in the front lines....
A U.S. Flag or two might even send a positive message.

Pardon me if I don't take this too seriously, partisan squabbling over border scuffles is a pretty tired standard number by now. As for the ideals in question:
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest to follow that star
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march
Into hell for a heavenly cause
And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star
The fight the unbeatable foe
To dream the impossible dream

Gotta agree they are a-holes with their ridiculous flags.
Btw BigV, the Don Quixote optical illusion painting is by Octavio Campo, a Mexican artist, his work is handled in the US by a gallery in Sedona, north side of town on 89a, originals hanging there, he did a great John Lennon, same composite illusion style.
Sedona gallery link:
https://visionsfineart.com/ocampo/index.html

Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?
And why would Trump copy his most hated nemesis that he thinks is a horrible failure?

The mainstream media immediately using the incident to attack President Donald Trump
Since you use other people’s talking points instead of your own words, what is the definition of the “mainstream media”?
Gotta love the people that bash the mainstream media as they post a link from the mainstream media and cite the mainstream media as fact.

Democrats attack President Trump for defending the U.S. border.
When Obama did the same thing, the Democrats remained silent.
Mule is shocked to hear that politicians play politics in Washington.

Sounds like the Obama admin was enforcing border security. Then why are you always screeching how Obama was against a secure border?
And why would Trump copy his most hated nemesis that he thinks is a horrible failure?
"Copy" is not an applicable term. It was the appropriate measure needed by both Administrations.

That's where you differ drastically from the hardliners who believe everything one administration does is successful, right and good, where another administration could only fail, err, and be bad. Until their idol needs his actions defended then they immediately point out similar actions done by their enemy, whom they suddenly agree with if it suits their agenda. Every time. Add up how many times this happens and you end up with resounding support of many the policies of their enemy, who they claim is 100% wrong on everything, 100% of the time. Horsesh!t.

I can’t imagine Obama doing this, with him hating America and all.

That's where you differ drastically from the hardliners who believe everything one administration does is successful, right and good, where another administration could only fail, err, and be bad. Until their idol needs his actions defended then they immediately point out similar actions done by their enemy, whom they suddenly agree with if it suits their agenda. Every time. Add up how many times this happens and you end up with resounding support of many the policies of their enemy, who they claim is 100% wrong on everything, 100% of the time. Horsesh!t.
I can only speak for myself, period. Your statement above very clearly (at least to me) defines the "problem" with identifying as a "Democrat" or a "Republican". For a reason that has never been clear to me, politically speaking, one Party has to fit the other into a nice, little, Box. "Oh, you believe that!?...How could you?!...You must be a _________"! And conversely these same people have a tremendously challenging road ahead of them when confronted by anyone with views they can not categorize.
For example: "This administration took the steps it felt necessary to deal with the issue at hand"
It matters not to me who has executed these solutions before, but rather, "is this the process that has the best chance of success now"?
I do however find it incredibly hypocritical of any group to criticize an action they themselves had adopted in prior similar circumstances, regardless of who attempted it first. "Neener, neener" at its finest. And a perfect answer to why so little compromise is ever agreed upon.

Crying hypocrite at a party-liner is like yelling blue at the sky. Zero point in that noise.
Good this border mess hasn't erupted into shooting and fatalities so far.

Crying hypocrite at a party-liner is like yelling blue at the sky. Zero point in that noise.
Yet both groups continue with this behavior.------ "hypocritical of any group"
Trust me it will be the other Parties "turn" soon enough.
Good this border mess hasn't erupted into shooting and fatalities so far.
My sincere hope is that this will not transpire; the burden of a death is more on the refugees than it is on the Border patrol. They can choose to respect the LAW of the country they "desperately" want to enter. Climbing over fences and throwing stones while waving Flags that represent the Homeland that has tyrannized them does not accurately depict one seeking asylum.
If you don't want violence, do not try to cross the border Illegally.

Pretty dumb to show up at the border in a big crowd all after asylum at once. Guaranteed bureaucratic boondoggle. As well as the bullsh!t behavior BigV pointed out, foolish and offensive. If I was the judge reviewing the asylum application and saw notes the person was being a nuisance at the border I would not grant the request.
Under US law illegal crossing is a misdemeanor, although there is a penalty it does not bar you from applying for asylum once you are in the country, although it could affect the judge's ruling.
Can't blame them for trying, any one of us would do the same thing if forced by circumstance.

It's off topic but it's the WP
Current Headline"7 nooses found by Mississippi Capitol before Senate runoff"
60-something years on, the Phil Ochs song "Here's To The State of Mississippi" continues to be right -- racist slimeballs continue to grow out from under rocks, and fester there
why would immigrants want anything to do w/the USA with Hitler-like stuff like that, mass shootings etc, still devouring the soul of America
on topic, don't know why the immigration problem is so difficult
Stephen this deserves it's own thread. Please create one.
There is a lot going on with these statewide races. For those who are unaware significant changes have been made in different states. North Dakota amended their state Constitution to create an ethics commission. Massachusetts also created a Citizens Commission. Ohio passed legislation making abortion illegal and criminalizing it so that Dr.'s who help women get them can be sent to prison.
In this day and age for nooses to appear in Mississippi tells you how serious problems are in some of the states in this country.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/politics/mississippi-senate-what-to-watch/index.html
[Edited on 11/28/2018 by gina]

Gina that link is to CNN. Must be fake noose.


The U.S. Border Patrol agents used non-lethal tear-gas on a large group of men that were attacking them with rocks and chunks of concrete.
The Democrats and lefties scream that “Trump is using chemical weapons against women and children” which is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.
When the same actions were taken by the Obama administration many times the Democrats and lefties said nothing.
The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.

The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.
Good one

Democrat bad. Republican good.

Democrat bad. Republican good.
The bad is inadequate immigration laws and the political game playing.

So who has been in charge of congress and the white house? What have they done about it, except make it worse?

So who has been in charge of congress and the white house? What have they done about it, except make it worse?
President Trump made Chuck and Nancy a comprehensive offer that included many more dreamers than they had asked.
Schumer and Pelosi refused.
The Democrats walked away.

The U.S. Border Patrol agents used non-lethal tear-gas on a large group of men that were attacking them with rocks and chunks of concrete.
The Democrats and lefties scream that “Trump is using chemical weapons against women and children” which is a gross misrepresentation of what happened.
When the same actions were taken by the Obama administration many times the Democrats and lefties said nothing.
The Democrats and lefties are hypocrites.
Sound Cannons would disperse a crowd and turn them away. It even worked on hardened Al Qaida fighters in Iraq. Nobody could bear the effects of those sound cannons.

All these people from the Caravan just used smuggling tunnels to come here. Makes you really think if the wall will stop them if it is build.

All these people from the Caravan just used smuggling tunnels to come here. Makes you really think if the wall will stop them if it is build.
Now you're starting to understand.

There still needs to be some sort of barrier and then probably sensors with overhead surveillance.
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