We know Trump's in the WH. We know what he's NOT doing - even titularly running the country as evidenced by his lack of interest in cabinet meetings or matters of national security. He's hunkered down plotting a strategy w/some people even HE used to say were crazy to stay in office. What more proof is needed that this is a man obsessed w/his own self-interest & ego and not the slightest interest in the US?
For 2 more days, Barr stands between him & appointing a Special Counsel investigator for election fraud.
There are 2 worrisome timeframes - between now & Jan. 6 when Congress certifies the electoral college results & now and Jan. 20 when Biden is inaugurated. The first is where Trump can get electoral results of specific states challenged; the second is when Trump, having officially lost, throws a tantrum & does as much harm as possible.
When McConnell & Barr have accepted the results of the election & POTUS is locked in bizarre activity, there's reason enough to invoke the 25th Amendment if anyone had any guts. McConnell controls the GOP Senate & his self-preservation has distanced him from POTUS. The others should follow.
As I watched some brief news coverage of Trump’s latest attempted abuse of the court system by trying to get the Supreme Court to toss out the Pennsylvania election results, I immediately thought 25th amendment time.
At some point the sane people around him, if there are any, need to tell him it’s over and either govern the nation for his remaining time or resign.
While it pains me to say it, let Pence take the reigns, pardon Caligula, and at least run the executive branch for a few weeks.
The problem according to sane refugees from the administration is that Trump is surrounded ONLY by the sycophants feeding him preposterous ideas & seizures & use of military. I've lost track of exactly who remains in the cabinet who could agree to a 25th Amendment solution. Trump can pardon himself, but Pence might convince him it would be more legit if he were to do it & get Trump to temporarily accept a 25th amendment solution.
Cyclone,
I heard the same thing about the nuts now surrounding Trump.
I have never heard or read anything that suggests Trump can pardon himself...It seems to me any president pardoning him or herself goes against the separation of power and checks and balances contained in the constitution.
But I have no doubt Trump will attempt to pardon himself, if for no other reason but to make a show of it.
However, you’re the Whipping Post legal expert so please explain further as to why you believe that to be true. Preferably on a pro bono basis..😎 😎 😎 😎
Cyclone,
I heard the same thing about the nuts now surrounding Trump.
I have never heard or read anything that suggests Trump can pardon himself...It seems to me any president pardoning him or herself goes against the separation of power and checks and balances contained in the constitution.
But I have no doubt Trump will attempt to pardon himself, if for no other reason but to make a show of it.
However, you’re the Whipping Post legal expert so please explain further as to why you believe that to be true. Preferably on a pro bono basis..😎 😎 😎 😎
Ha! No legal expert, just a practicing lawyer - there used to be several others around - who offers my thoughts.
Basically, self-pardon has never been adjudicated so there's nothing to prohibit it until SCOTUS addresses it & says otherwise.
Historically, it was clearly intended by the Founders, especially Hamilton. The constitution specifically gives POTUS the power to grant pardons against ALL [federal] offenses except impeachment [of any federal official] in the same Article that incudes accepted roles like being Commander in Chief. It was mostly used as amnesty (e.g., Carter/Vietnam draft dodgers) that theoretically could've included themselves or a family member.
Ford's broad pardon of Nixon - for any & all offenses that he may have committed, partly committed, or committed - went unchallenged.
Nixon's lawyers researched the issue & concluded he could self-pardon; the DOJ did the same & concluded he couldn't based on nothing legal - just "above the law, unjust, blah blah." His resignation made it moot; he let Ford grant the pardon.
The main legal reason that it might be declared unconstitutional is the use of the word "grant" in the power to grant pardons. Scalia-types argue whether "grant" requires the grantor & the grantee be 2 different people or not. That falls in the life's too short category for me.
Can that wait till the middle of January?
Note" Conspiracy theory follows.
Biden already sounds sick in several interviews. Looks kinda peaked, shaking a little, voice sounds strained as if he has a sore throat.
As January progresses, the White House "confirms" he has Covid and is doing full self quarantine. No visitors, interviews, or meetings of any kind (doesn't want to be compared to Trump quarantine). Not heard from in several weeks, but prognosis good, getting better, be back at work soon.
Middle of February Harris and Pelosi start to question his ability to continue holding office due to his "incapacited state" with interviews on talk media about his "illness" and mental condition (which will probably be quietly attributed to Alzheimer's).
Several weeks of no show of Potus, combined "concern" over his health, and talk of him resigning or the start of motions to start proceedings on Amendment 25.
April, or May, Kamala Harris takes over as interim President due to the afore mentioned concern over his mental and physical health and 25th Amendment vote goes to Capitol hill.
June 2021, Harris is President.
Of course that's just my thoughts.
Then again, you never know.
If they try that he can volly back with The Insurrection Act and martial law even if he had to use Covid spread as a reason. Don't push his buttons.
If they try that he can volly back with The Insurrection Act and martial law even if he had to use Covid spread as a reason. Don't push his buttons.
Comedy gold. He's going to save us from Covid action that HE swept under the rug and has been AWOL for months on leadership.
Dream world material.
If they try that he can volly back with The Insurrection Act and martial law even if he had to use Covid spread as a reason. Don't push his buttons.
Comedy gold. He's going to save us from Covid action that HE swept under the rug and has been AWOL for months on leadership.
Dream world material.
So you're saying Biden swept the Covid actions under the rug and has been AWOL for several months on leadership roles?
If they try that he can volly back with The Insurrection Act and martial law even if he had to use Covid spread as a reason. Don't push his buttons.
Comedy gold. He's going to save us from Covid action that HE swept under the rug and has been AWOL for months on leadership.
Dream world material.
So you're saying Biden swept the Covid actions under the rug and has been AWOL for several months on leadership roles?
You are so right since Biden was our prez in early 2020 when Covid response or lack of was enacted?
No, you didn't read the two posts together where we were talking about Biden.
No, you didn't read the two posts together where we were talking about Biden.
Correct. I read them but took your most recent post at face value.
the owner of the Post is Trump’s buddy Murdoch
’nuff said
