Yes it was a campaign promise, but we all know things change and evolve. If he cannot get Mexico to fund it 100% should he give up on the idea of building a wall?

You are correct that there are differences in the priorities of the Democrats and the Republicans, and that is another problem stalling resolution.

Another poll, conducted by NPR, PBS and Marist from November to December, found that 63% of Republicans believed building the wall was an "immediate priority".

Health care is a big problem, nobody disputes that, but right now he, as President wants to focus on border security and the wall. Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

Here are some interesting things from his old book and how they can pertain to the wall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46822452
[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]

Per Gina - Yes it was a campaign promise, but we all know things change and evolve. If he cannot get Mexico to fund it 100% should he give up on the idea of building a wall?

Response - It was unrealistic from the minute he began using it as a go to line. Too bad that not realistic, but yes, he should give up or let people like you pay for it; not taxpayers as a whole nor raid funds designated for real emergencies / disasters.

Per Gina - Another poll, conducted by NPR, PBS and Marist from November to December, found that 63% of Republicans believed building the wall was an "immediate priority"

Response - What do the polls that include Dems & Independents say about wanting Trump's wall? What do polls at large say about Trump?

Per Gina - Health care is a big problem, nobody disputes that, but right now he, as President wants to focus on border security and the wall. Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

Response - See answers provided by 2112 & Chain. Read them & after you read them, then reread them.

Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]

Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]

Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

And wise enough to establish the Electoral College.....

Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

And wise enough to establish the Electoral College.....

Perhaps at the time....13 colonies is far different than 50 states that encompass millions of people across a geographic area the founding father had no idea of at the time.

The true brilliance of the founding fathers was incorporating the ability to change the Constitution and thereby the republic as time and circumstances deemed so...For example abolishing the Electoral College when it became obsolete. The Electoral College is a holdover that no longer makes sense.

You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.

Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldn’t handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didn’t want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After it’s proven that Trump is under Putin’s control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.

You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.

Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldn’t handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didn’t want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After it’s proven that Trump is under Putin’s control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.

Re: your last paragraph. Not so sure. There's a good chance that in spite of facts & evidence of everything that Trump is and has done, the followers will still hang onto beliefs in a deep state and cling to denials that these things are true of Russian Don. He did a great job in his campaign of preying on the weak, and they look like they are dug in.

The redeeming factor is he has not been able to expand his base.

You can talk about sheep and damaged souls or people with derangement syndrome, but that is all nonsense. Just because we are not in a position of authority and decision making and just because we type out our feelings on an unrelated internet message board doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that sometimes, people that disagree with us have good points and suggestions and raise our objections and assertions in a constructive manner.

Bullsh*t. These emotionally damaged sheep are the reason we likely have a compromised Russian asset as President working against American interests. Some people couldn’t handle a black President, so Trump is simply revenge. The right didn’t want someone who would benefit the USA the most.....they wanted whoever would hurt the left the most. The end result is dozens of indictments and a mentally disturbed lunatic in charge of our country.

After it’s proven that Trump is under Putin’s control, and that Trump used brainwashing tactics on the weak-minded, Trump supporters will be cowering in shame a decade from now, hiding and denying they ever liked the guy. The ending of Inglorious Bastards comes to mind.

I'm content what I get out of the forum based on what I put into it, I assume then you must be as well.

Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]

Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]

"No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president."

That may be how our government is supposed to work, but it hasn't worked that way for a long time.
When we went to war with Iraq the second time, that should have been something that everyone in Congress agreed to, but I don't think that happened, we then went to the United Nations and when they would not agree for us to go there, Bush Jr. just said, well if they won't agree, then we just don't take the vote, and they ignored the United Nations and went anyway starting a war in Iraq.

They passed and implemented the Patriot Act even though it is unconstitutional. How does a law abiding Congress pass an unconstitutional piece of legislation and then it is implemented as a rule of law?

Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.

We don't just have 3 equal branches of government working as they were supposed to. The passing of Executive Orders is one example of how the president (and I don't mean Trump, I mean those who came before him) used it to pass laws the other branches would not have. One such piece of legislation was that Bush Jr. passed an Executive Order granting himself and all members of his administration immunity from prosecution for war crimes going back to 9-11-01. We never even started bombing Afghanistan till 9-29-01. So what war crimes could he be thinking of that they might need immunity for? I can think of one committed the same day he backdated their immunity to, 9-11-01.

Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]

Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]

Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.

That's a bold inaccurate statement. If the constitution had been ignored, the US wouldn't exist. There would be anarchy or 50 individual states relying on their own constitutions w/no obligation to or support from the 49 other states.

The judicial branch has adhered to its responsibilities even though decisions have been unpopular. It frequently reminds litigants of the division of power - especially when it specifically points to what are legislative rather than judicial or executive functions. Those who overstep lose their case & get their hands metaphorically slapped.

Your expectation that the "man in the big chair" be given what he wants all the time is wrong, wouldn't get past the first judicial hurdle, and I suspect, changes w/who occupies the chair.

Since he is the man in the big chair, doesn't he get to call the shots and decide what is most important, he is after all the President, which is the one in charge of leading the nation.

No, the Constitution defines three equal branches of government. It is a system of checks and balances. The president doesn't always get what he wants. Our founding fathers were wise not to give absolute power to the president.

That's the scariest thing about Trump and some of his supporters....They, like him, seem oblivious and, frankly, ignorant as to how the American republic works.

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by Chain]

Not only Trump, but McConnell seems to have forgotten that it is job to pass legislation, put it in front of the Executive, and if the Executive doesn't sign, return to get an over-ride. Congress doesn't work for the Executive branch. That means putting legislation to a vote regardless of what the Executive has whispered in his ear about veto.

3 Equal Branches of Government.

[Edited on 1/13/2019 by cyclone88]

Our government has ignored the Constitution for a long time.

That's a bold inaccurate statement. If the constitution had been ignored, the US wouldn't exist. There would be anarchy or 50 individual states relying on their own constitutions w/no obligation to or support from the 49 other states.

The judicial branch has adhered to its responsibilities even though decisions have been unpopular. It frequently reminds litigants of the division of power - especially when it specifically points to what are legislative rather than judicial or executive functions. Those who overstep lose their case & get their hands metaphorically slapped.

Your expectation that the "man in the big chair" be given what he wants all the time is wrong, wouldn't get past the first judicial hurdle, and I suspect, changes w/who occupies the chair.

Certainly you are aware of the changes post 9-11-01 whereby the rights guaranteed citizens have been circumvented and ignored. People can be seized if the govt. wants to, held without charges (violating due process), they don't even have to let you contact a lawyer, they can torture you here or send you abroad to do it, they can even assassinate you if they feel like it. They can get warrantless phone taps, etc. etc. They decided all this was necessary to combat 'the war on terror', they can go to other countries and assassinate any of their people without even telling the other govt.

I believe that anarchy will come, and the proof of that is the desire of some states to secede from the union. Many have just quietly tried reforming their own Constitutions giving more power to their individual states. Some like California have publicly announced that they would like to just be their own state apart from the US, you have heard of the Cal-Exit movement I'm sure. North Dakota has their own state bank, rather than relying on the big banks and other states needing the bailouts of 2008 and whenever the next one comes.

You should read Rogue State by Wiilliam Blum and find out what some of the branches of government have done over the years. You will be amazed at the evilness that has infiltrated various sectors of the government. The carnage was not limited to international events. Deliberate acts were perpetrated upon people in THIS country. If you think no that could not happen here, you need to find out. This is factual, documented and NON -FICTION.

https://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state

Our country has not functioned as the forefathers envisioned, planned it to in a long time, and I do not think it will ever get back to that.