Well, it is very tempting to attack on looks, I had no intention of doing that, but seeing the tit for tat why not? I can't help it, when I see Trump I am struck by that "Fake Tan" orange hue, when I see his associates, 90% of them look like they come straight out of the Third Reich! I mean thsee cats look so uptight it's like they all wearing but plugs or something, waiting to go get punished by Hilga The Dominatrix.
Anyway, I didn't watch, I just have a hard time stomaching Trump, I have listened to all his scumbags and lackeys speak, but I just can't tolerate this lowlife........Peace......joe
I heard nothing but facts last nite- statistics about horrible crime incidents committed by illegals.... and those are the only ones where they HAVE TO document that they are here illegally.
Both CHUCK AND NANCI are documented ON TAPE saying they are in favor of border security that included a wall.
What changed? T R U M P
Facts matter, and this goes against the idea of "childish interplay between two parties".
This is exactly what is going on. It has gone on for decades and no end is in sight.....
I just have a hard time stomaching Trump
I can't look at Pelosi and Schumer without laughing out loud.
I heard nothing but facts last nite- statistics about horrible crime incidents committed by illegals.... and those are the only ones where they HAVE TO document that they are here illegally.
Both CHUCK AND NANCI are documented ON TAPE saying they are in favor of border security that included a wall.
What changed? T R U M P
If you heard nothing but facts last night, then what were you doing while Trump was speaking?
What changed for the democrats? Was it because we are in the run-up to the election? Dont want to solve an issue you have been promising the American people you would reform.. Look at the Schummer Clinton and Obama quotes.
Again what changed in getting it done now?
T R U M P
What changed for the democrats? Was it because we are in the run-up to the election? Dont want to solve an issue you have been promising the American people you would reform.. Look at the Schummer Clinton and Obama quotes.
Again what changed in getting it done now?
T R U M P
What changed? Trump campaigned on & on promising Mexico would pay for the wall? What changed - why should he not follow through with his campaign rhetoric? What changed, goob. Why should US taxpayers pay for the wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for?
Goob - can you provide a detailed answer?
[Edited on 1/10/2019 by MartinD28]
Again what changed in getting it done now?
T R U M P
And? Point? Let the victim sob story begin.
How is this different from what happened to Obama? Isn’t it kind of stupid to be shocked by this? What don’t you understand?
If Donald Trump gets his wall, Mexicans will certainly follow Trump's advice from 2004..
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1083169537263054849?s=20
[Edited on 1/10/2019 by 2112]
I just have a hard time stomaching Trump
I can't look at Pelosi and Schumer without laughing out loud.
To my Good Brothers and Sisters here who are Trump supporters, I have tryed to remain as verbally as appropriate as I could here, but I gotta admit, Your boy is really motherf*ckin stoopid! I am 55yrs old never went to college and have worked 34 yrs in the same factory, I am pretty much brain dead, yet I would lay 2 to 1 money that on a High School SAT test, I would smoke Your "champion's" fat ass!! Seriously wish we could pull that off.......Peace.......joe
Does anybody here think that we DO NOT need a border wall for border security?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/21-bodies-found-us-mexico-border-trump-visits-182250452.html
Mexico City (AFP) - Mexican authorities said Thursday they had found 21 bodies on the US-Mexican border after a drug-gang shootout in a town near where President Donald Trump was due to visit later in the day.
McAllen, where he was meeting with border patrol agents, sits across from Tamaulipas. The US State Department has issued its most severe travel warning for the state because of violent crime, classifying it alongside countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
More than 200,000 people have been murdered in Mexico since the government deployed the army to fight the country's powerful drug cartels in 2006, including a record 28,711 in 2017.
Remarks: But Nancy Pelosi thinks a border wall is immoral for us to put up.
[Edited on 1/10/2019 by gina]
Does anybody here think that we DO NOT need a border wall for border security?
We DO NOT need a wall for border security.
No, we do not need a wall. I'm not opposed to having additional barriers along the border in places, but a wall along the entire border is unnecessary and a waste of money.
And of all the threats to our country, I wouldn't put a few Mexicans entering our country to pick our fields anywhere near the top of the list. I guess I'm not as scared of people with brown skin as most Trump supporters. Illegal aliens are a problem, but not as big a problem as budget deficits, mass shootings, health care, and lying presidents.
I'm not opposed to having additional barriers along the border in places, but a wall along the entire border is unnecessary and a waste of money.
good start. I think that if there were porous sections that should be a no-brainer that a wall is needed. Think of all the patroling, riding around wasting man-power to police open stretches. Build a wall its more cost effective and reassign these agents to focus on drugs, tunnels, coyotes, etc. instead of lassoing and rounding up migrant herds. Modern day cowboys I guess.
W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).
In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so.
"W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).
In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so. "
Thank you. Goob and Gina, please read the above quotation, and then sign to indicate that you did read it and did understand it.
I keep seeing strawman arguments here:
"Democrats are against border security."
No, they are against a wildly expensive WALL. There really are other kinds of border security.
"Democrats used to want a big concrete wall, but suddenly now they are just being anti-Trump."
No, they never wanted a big concrete wall, but they have always wanted border security.
17 years ago? No good to compare a 2001 stock against 2018 value. It works the same with this comparison. In order to draw that conclusion below they had to have some illegal immigration data to work with. The crossings now are probably 10X what it used to be. Look at the recent herd from Central America. 1000's crossing in a day or two.
The latest from President Shutdown
"President Trump has been briefed about using disaster-relief money meant to help storm-soaked Puerto Rico and fire-ravaged California to build his border wall, according to a report."
What a guy he is. He's basically telling the people of real emergencies & disasters in Puerto Rico & California to go "f" yourselves so he can build his wall for his fabricated emergency that he promised Mexico would pay for.
That's today. Tomorrow will bring another chaotic issue by Putin's little bitch. Everyday it's something new with that clown.
17 years ago? No good to compare a 2001 stock against 2018 value. It works the same with this comparison. In order to draw that conclusion below they had to have some illegal immigration data to work with. The crossings now are probably 10X what it used to be. Look at the recent herd from Central America. 1000's crossing in a day or two.
Please tell me you are just trolling.
What a guy he is. He's basically telling the people of real emergencies & disasters in Puerto Rico & California to go "f" yourselves so he can build his wall for his fabricated emergency that he promised Mexico would pay for.
That's today. Tomorrow will bring another chaotic issue by Putin's little bitch. Everyday it's something new with that clown.
Clown - or carny barker - he may be, but it's disgraceful that we - whatever political affiliation we may have - are not rising up against this man who is literally ruining the lives of human beings. He's passing out candy while federal workers & disaster victims suffer.
Why? At that time outsourcing your labor or production was hot, hot, hot. A large part of that prior Republican Party was only concerned about keeping lbig business happy. THats mindset is still a problem today, but the devestating effects of Nafta and globalism have others like Trump wanting action on reform, not another study. If you found a brown guy to do it for less money, you did.
[Edited on 1/11/2019 by OriginalGoober]
What a guy he is. He's basically telling the people of real emergencies & disasters in Puerto Rico & California to go "f" yourselves so he can build his wall for his fabricated emergency that he promised Mexico would pay for.
That's today. Tomorrow will bring another chaotic issue by Putin's little bitch. Everyday it's something new with that clown.
Clown - or carny barker - he may be, but it's disgraceful that we - whatever political affiliation we may have - are not rising up against this man who is literally ruining the lives of human beings. He's passing out candy while federal workers & disaster victims suffer.
Solutions follow:
indictment
impeachment
vote the clown out of office if he runs again
other solutions?
Solutions follow:
indictment
impeachment
vote the clown out of office if he runs again
other solutions?
I, having faith in the judicial system, hope for indictment. Beyond that, there must be people far savvier than I in how to effect change addressing the issue. NOW. I don't think victims can wait until 2020.
I'm of an era when demonstrations & letters/phone calls (now emails/tweets) to elected representatives were effective. With all the communication technology available, I can't believe there isn't a way to get those w/clout in Washington to quit whispering privately & publicly denounce Trump. Can McConnell not see that he could be perceived as a hero if he grew a pair rather than acting as though he works for the prez? His job is to put passed legislation on the table & let the prez really take the fall in the form of veto & then go back & over-ride the veto. Instead, his position is that he's not going to even bring anything that could be vetoed to a vote.
The constitution is stronger than a single person. Congress doesn't work FOR the prez; it serves as a check on the resident of the WH.
Can you vote him out without abolishing the electoral college?
"W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).
In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so. "
Thank you. Goob and Gina, please read the above quotation, and then sign to indicate that you did read it and did understand it.
I've no interest in making things personal. There are trolls & there are individuals w/strongly held opinions.
I don't believe there is an abundance of Luddites on Capitol Hill. They weren't there in 2007 & they're not there now. Every former president dealt w/border security (we have northern & coastal borders, too) & they've denounced Trump's assertion that they support him - W most emphatically has addressed the issue. Not 17 years ago. 5 days ago.
Jim, I enjoy your reasoned comments & look for them between the detritus of trolls.
Original Goober wrote: "17 years ago? No good to compare a 2001 stock against 2018 value. It works the same with this comparison. In order to draw that conclusion below they had to have some illegal immigration data to work with. The crossings now are probably 10X what it used to be. Look at the recent herd from Central America. 1000's crossing in a day or two."
Goob, you are guessing rather than using facts. Here are some facts:
"How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 396,579 in 2018."
Those numbers come from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/
So, illegal immigration has gone DOWN since it was decided that George W's 2006 fence was not needed.
W's 2006 Secure Fence Act authorized a barrier across the border. Less than a year later, Congress recognized that technology could more securely, efficiently, and effectively serve the purpose of a physical barrier over varying topography & the Act was amended: no specific building material, no specific type of barrier (physical v electronic v TBD).
In sum, 17 years ago, Republicans acknowledged that requiring a physical barrier made of a specific material was an outdated concept & enacted legislation that said so.
They passed the act, then failed to fund it and gutted it, then President Obama declared the fence "basically complete" Shameful these politicians.
While we are talking about CBP statistics....they averaged over 51,000 apprehensions the first two months of FY2019. More people are trying to enter than 2018 (about 35,000 and 39,000 in the same months year-over-year).
Edit- add link
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
[Edited on 1/11/2019 by nebish]
Yet most illegals still arrive via plane and overstay their visa. Should be build a ceiling?
It’s sad to see people dance around their honest feelings. They can’t be honest out of shame for themselves, so they make up a bunch of b.s. stats and lingo that they found online. The wall is an obvious symbol, and the sheep all know it, but none have the courage of their own convictions to just say it. Beyond sad to watch. I’d have much more respect if they came out and said they want to send a message to the world to just “stay out”.
[Edited on 1/11/2019 by BoytonBrother]
