Typical left smart A$$ remark.... you got to read the whole thing what he said was under the current rules of engagement the enemies are using their families as shields and that eventually we will have to bomb them anyway if we ever want to get them.......

current ROE are that if there are families or civilians present then don't bomb the target,

P.S. I believe we did that exact thing when we got ben laden there were several non combatants killed on that raid but it must have been deemed worth it to get him .....

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Rydethwind]

Typical left smart A$$ remark.... you got to read the whole thing what he said was under the current rules of engagement the enemies are using their families as shields and that eventually we will have to bomb them anyway if we ever want to get them.......

current ROE are that if there are families or civilians present then don't bomb the target,

P.S. I believe we did that exact thing when we got ben laden there were several non combatants killed on that raid but it must have been deemed worth it to get him .....

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Rydethwind]

Actually, I did hear the whole thing.

Ryde, if gondicar's comment was a typical left smart a$$ remark, should we agree that Ted Cruz' statements that the Colorado shooter was someone wrestling with gender issues was a typical Right dumb a$$ remark?

War did not try and be PC in the past. Cities were bombed. Tanks rolled in and anybody there was the enemy. Civilian losses were part of war. Hell you guys dropped nukes.

Now war is about trying to pinpoint where a few terrorists are hiding. Never going to win that way.

Civil wars were fought and others did not intervene. Let them kill each other. Saves us having to do it.

These guys have been killing each other forever and will kill their own civilians without any hesitation. We try to drop a bomb and kill one guy.

Trump's wording is wrong but the result is the same. The current model is not working.

War did not try and be PC in the past. Cities were bombed. Tanks rolled in and anybody there was the enemy. Civilian losses were part of war. Hell you guys dropped nukes.

Now war is about trying to pinpoint where a few terrorists are hiding. Never going to win that way.

Civil wars were fought and others did not intervene. Let them kill each other. Saves us having to do it.

These guys have been killing each other forever and will kill their own civilians without any hesitation. We try to drop a bomb and kill one guy.

Trump's wording is wrong but the result is the same. The current model is not working.

"Now war is about trying to pinpoint where a few terrorists are hiding. Never going to win that way."

The strategy now is targeted assassination of key commanders to degrade units and groups. What would you propose to 'win' the war, just go back to massively bombing certain areas where the opposition are believed to be living and hiding?

When we have done those things civilians are killed. The opposition then says, well you come here and kill our women, children but you object and say that your civilians should be safe and we are not allowed to come to your lands and kill them. The whole concept of war itself is convoluted. God said that life and death are in his hands, but world leaders want to reserve the right to decide who should be assassinated/killed or allowed to live.

"Civil wars were fought and others did not intervene. Let them kill each other. Saves us having to do it."

Our involvement in the affairs of other countries are ONE of the reasons there are retaliatory terror attacks. Our involvement is due to our wanting to secure land, resources that is ultimately run by and divided up by foreign investor/allied partners. We have no right to those resources, nor do these foreign partners, the people who do have a right to those things are the native born people's in those areas who are just in the way of greed and profit.

Trump's wording is wrong but the result is the same. The current model is not working.

Trump would lead us down the road to what was formerly referred to as McCarthyism where they were looking for Communists everywhere who were perceived to be threat to our free country. Yet Russia took care of it's own wars and the communists were only in their lands, there was no need for us to take that on as a cause or concern in our own land.

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT FUNDAMENTALIST TAKE OVER OF AMERICA:

Current day, the US can declare via a Constitutional amendment that the US is a secular state, and that NO single religion will dominate the land exclusively, that all religions are allowed but must be in agreement with being tolerant of other religions. An action such as this would prevent Muslims from trying to launch a takeover of the United States, or any other religion from doing so. When the anti-Christ rises and wants to take us over, it would stop HIM from doing that also. It would be a pro-active protective thing that could be done. Religions or sects that seek to tear down the country, or impose their views on EVERYONE here, which is what Isis wants to do here, would be told they cannot do that here, the people proposing such actions would be deported. If the US legislates and declares to all that it is a SECULAR state, it solves the problem of what if this group or that group wants to impose their ways on us. You don't want the skinheads, or Neo-Nazis taking over the country, they would have to comply with the laws just like anyone else.

THAT IS A SHORT TERM STRATEGY TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

Later on, the anti-Christ will rise and want global allegiance to himself, at that time there will be Holy War in full force, the US will probably be broken up into individual states with military and patriot militias, but we are not at that time yet.

LATER MANY THINGS WILL HAPPEN.

You can read about the End Times war in Ezekiel Chapter 38. There is Islamic prophecy about their role in the wars that lead up to and the final war commonly referred to as Armegeddon where Jesus will slay the anti-Christ, who is called the dajjal in Islam. They know he is coming to deceive Muslims too all over the world. He's not just coming for Jews and Christians, he's coming for everybody.
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Everything going on leads up to that. The Pope being involved in world affairs, wars all over the world. People will accept the idea of 'let's just have a one world army that way we eliminate wars and border disputes'. The states will cede their sovereignty because they will have to financially. They cannot sustain their own country's economies, so countries join together to have more buying power and to stay solvent. That leads up to a one world currency. One world currency, one world army, one world leader, (who will be the anti-Christ).

The REAL Jesus will be, fighting and will be promoting God's laws instead of secular law. He will probably even be compared to Osama. He will not replace and dethrone the anti-Christ by peaceful means. He will lead an army. He is not here yet. First the Islamic Mahdi must rise,
the Mahdi is recognized by the Shiites. He will be an Arab, his Father's name will be Mohammed, his Mother's name will be Amina. When he emerges he will be coming from Isfahan, Iran and the world will hear of him coming from the Land of Khorasan, which encompasses part of Iran, part of Iraq and yes part of Afghanistan.

the Mahdi is not Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, but it is possible that he is in their army, among them. Most of you do not know this, but Osama had a dream as a child, three times he had the same dream. He told his Father, and the Father consulted with a Sheikh, scholar who told him that Osama was chosen to prepare an army in the land of Khorasan, which would eventually have the Mahdi in it.

I thought that Osama might be fighting alongside Jesus in the final battle with the anti-Christ but that was not what his destiny was written to be. He was only destined to help organize (train, mentor) the army that would eventually help the Mahdi. His participation in the Soviet Afghan war was part of that. His trying to rally the fighters in Afghanistan, and then Pakistan was the progression of that. He also organized fighters in all the other countries, Egypt, Africa, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq etc.

This was Osama's dream as a nine year old boy.

"In the dream, I saw myself in a huge, flat area. I saw an army mounted on white horses moving towards me. All of them were wearing black turbans. One of the horsemen, who had shiny eyes, came up to me and asked me, “Are you Osama bin Muhammed bin Laden?” I replied, “Yes.” He then asked me again, “Are you Osama bin Muhammed bin Laden?” I again replied, “Yes, that is me.” He again asked, “Are you Osama bin Muhammed bin Laden?” Then I said, “By Allah, I am Osama bin Laden.” He moved a flag towards me and said, “Hand this flag over to Imam Mahdi Muhammad bin Abdullah at the gates of Al-Quds.” I took the flag from him, and I saw that the army started marching behind me.’

His Father asked a scholar, an 80 year old Sheikh about the dream. The scholar asked Osama some questions.

He asked Osama, ‘Son, do you remember anything about that flag which
that horseman gave you?’ Osama replied, ‘Yes, I remember it.’

"He asked him, "Can you describe it, how it was?"

’“Osama said, ‘It was similar to the flag of Saudi Arabia, but its
color was not green but black, and there was something written on it in white
color.’

’“He then put the next question to Osama, ‘Did you ever see yourself
also fighting?’ Osama replied, ‘I commonly see such dreams.’ He then asked
Osama to go out of the room and do recitation of the Qur’an.

Then the Sheikh asked Osama's Father, where his ancestry was from. He replied that he was from Hadramawt in Yemen, He then asked what tribe he was from, and he told him he was from the Shanwah, a Qahtani tribe. The Sheikh then cried out Allahu Akhbar, called Osama back into the room, was crying and he kissed him. He then told him

"O Muhammed bin Laden, this son of yours will prepare an army for Imam Mahdi and for the sake of protecting his religion, he will migrate to the region of Khurasan [Afghanistan]. O Osama ! Blessed is he who will do Jihad by your side and undone and disappointed be he who leaves you alone and fights against you.’

[1] On the authority of Thawban, the Messenger of Allah (upon whom be blessings and peace) said:The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said: “Before your treasure, three will kill each other — all of them are sons of a different caliph but none will be the recipient. Then the Black Banners will appear from the East and they will kill you in a way that has never before been done by a nation.”

Thawban, a companion said: ‘Then he said something that I do not remember by heart’ then continued to say that the Prophet, praise and peace be upon him, said: “If you see him give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because surely he is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi. If you see the black (meaning war) flags coming from Khurasan (Afghanistan), join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for this is the army of the Caliph, the Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem.”

(Son of Majah, Al Busiri, Al Hakim, Ahmad Nuaym, Ad-Daylami, Hasan, son of Sufyaan, and Abu Nuaym.)

Related by Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said: “(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasan (Afghanistan). No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Jerusalem where they will erect their flags.” (Tirmidhi)

Muhammad, son of Al Hanaffia, said:”The Black Banners will come out for the children of Al Abbas. The other black banners will come from Khurasan [Afghanistan area]. Their turbans will be black and their clothes white. At their front will be a man named Shuayb, the son of Salih, from Tamim. They will defeat the companions of The Sufyaani until he comes to the House of Jerusalem where he will establish his power for the Mahdi, and he will be supplied with three hundred (men) from Syria after his arrival and the matter will be settled for the Mahdi in seventy-two months (six years).”

Remarks:
Osama's duty was only to prepare an army in the land of Khorasan, then that army would be led by someone else, but it would have the Mahdi among the fighters. Is that army Isis? I don't think so. But Isis may pave the way for another army to come, the same way Al Qaida and the Afghan Taliban have paved the way for Isis to rise as an army.

Is that army, the one that come from Khorasan, THE Afghan Taliban? I know for a fact that some of the Afghans can trace their ancestry back to the Companions of the Prophet of Islam, some of them will probably be in THE army that supports the Mahdi, but their own army may not be THE army. I think the army with the Madhi will be another army and end up having a combination of fighters from the Pakistani Taliban, the Afghan Taliban, and all the other groups, including some al Qaida fighters.

I will tell you that Syria is the place where Jesus will go with his fighters before he slays the anti-Christ. Realize this, the anti-Christ has NOT risen to power yet, he is NOT seated in Jerusalem as the leader of the world YET, that must happen before Jesus can come back. When the false Christ is in Jerusalem, the real Jesus will be hunted down, labeled a terrorist, have armies from eighty countries sending fighters after him to kill him. It will be worse than the world hunting Osama. All that is going on now, that is what it leads up to.

My best advice is for the US to draft the Constitutional amendment I specified. Otherwise, we could end up with our Constitution being done away all together, the same way laws were implemented violating it to enact the Patriot Act. Either we preserve what our forefounding Fathers created or we will end up in a militarized police surveillance state, little by little.

Trump's idea to just go and kill all the known Muslims and their families who are calling for their version of Shariah law to be implemented is just not going to work.

[Edited on 12/3/2015 by gina]

Ryde, if gondicar's comment was a typical left smart a$$ remark, should we agree that Ted Cruz' statements that the Colorado shooter was someone wrestling with gender issues was a typical Right dumb a$$ remark?

I would be fine with calling that a typical right hand dumb a$$ remark no problem it is just that. of course IMO