Trump: "There are those that say you can test too much. You do know that?"

@jonathanvswan: "Who says that?"

Trump: "Read the manuals. Read the books."

Swan: "Manuals? What manuals?"

Trump: "Read the books. Read the books."

Swan: "What books?"

In a related story, here's a nice example of how Trump is still hella winning

What Does America’s Coronavirus Response Look Like Abroad? | NYT Opinion:

And wishing Ghislane Maxwell well again.

IMO that's irrelevant to his presidential campaign, the economy, & the uncontrolled coronavirus. He got his digs in re the late Congressman Lewis whose apparent flaw was not attending Trump's inauguration.

In response to the question as to why he wished her well, Trump said, "First of all, I don't know that, but I do know that her friend or boyfriend was either killed or committed suicide in jail.

"She's now in jail, so yeah, I wish her well. I would wish you well. I would wish a lot of people well. Good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty."

Not in favor of demonizing Trump for things irrelevant to him when he has plenty of real demons to account for. He's not doing anything to defend or glorify Maxwell or even raising the topic. He's basically saying I knew her, her BF died in jail, wish her well (& anyone else who hasn't dissed me), & let the prosecution do its job. The trial starts in July 2021 - by that time he may need someone to wish him well after the SDNY's response to a judge re the "extensive & protracted criminal conduct of The Trump Organization" yesterday.

I don't expect Trump to make much comment regarding Maxwell considering their shared circle and Trump's loyalty to his friends, but there's a ton of evidence she served up young girls to Epstein and others. There are definitely bigger issues out there, but a President wishing accused pedophiles "well" is not a good look.

There are definitely bigger issues out there, but a President wishing accused pedophiles "well" is not a good look.

As opposed to him granting clemency to his friend Roger Stone and well wishes to all his other criminal buddies?

What is being overlooked (Netflix drama aside) is that Epstein, Maxwell, & unnamed co-conspirators were legally addressed in FL 14 years ago. Epstein took a plea, Maxwell walked, and both Maxwell & the others got a "no future charges" decree. Maxwell settled civil suits w/some women who were 17 at the time of the "procurement."

Now, in an election year, Maxwell is suddenly arrested by the Public Corruption unit on minor charges (lying, traveling w/a 17 yr old to NM) as a tactic to get her to name the men the women serviced - all of whom had to be public officials. There are many possibilities - former NM gov, attorney who bungled deal in FL & became Secty of Labor, AG Barr who goes back to the 1970s w/Epstein, & "that hotel guy I can't remember his name."

IMO Trump is treading carefully (for once) & because Maxwell hasn't been convicted of pedophilia OR even been charged w/it, she can only be described as an alleged perjurer & despicable person. The media needs to stop asking about it - they're doing it because it's salacious & sells.

There are definitely bigger issues out there, but a President wishing accused pedophiles "well" is not a good look.

As opposed to him granting clemency to his friend Roger Stone and well wishes to all his other criminal buddies?

What is being overlooked (Netflix drama aside) is that Epstein, Maxwell, & unnamed co-conspirators were legally addressed in FL 14 years ago. Epstein took a plea, Maxwell walked, and both Maxwell & the others got a "no future charges" decree. Maxwell settled civil suits w/some women who were 17 at the time of the "procurement."

Now, in an election year, Maxwell is suddenly arrested by the Public Corruption unit on minor charges (lying, traveling w/a 17 yr old to NM) as a tactic to get her to name the men the women serviced - all of whom had to be public officials. There are many possibilities - former NM gov, attorney who bungled deal in FL & became Secty of Labor, AG Barr who goes back to the 1970s w/Epstein, & "that hotel guy I can't remember his name."

IMO Trump is treading carefully (for once) & because Maxwell hasn't been convicted of pedophilia OR even been charged w/it, she can only be described as an alleged perjurer & despicable person. The media needs to stop asking about it - they're doing it because it's salacious & sells.

I agree that Trump is treading lightly, but best to not say anything.

[Edited on 8/4/2020 by porkchopbob]

And wishing Ghislane Maxwell well again.

IMO that's irrelevant to his presidential campaign, the economy, & the uncontrolled coronavirus. He got his digs in re the late Congressman Lewis whose apparent flaw was not attending Trump's inauguration.

In response to the question as to why he wished her well, Trump said, "First of all, I don't know that, but I do know that her friend or boyfriend was either killed or committed suicide in jail.

"She's now in jail, so yeah, I wish her well. I would wish you well. I would wish a lot of people well. Good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty."

Not in favor of demonizing Trump for things irrelevant to him when he has plenty of real demons to account for. He's not doing anything to defend or glorify Maxwell or even raising the topic. He's basically saying I knew her, her BF died in jail, wish her well (& anyone else who hasn't dissed me), & let the prosecution do its job. The trial starts in July 2021 - by that time he may need someone to wish him well after the SDNY's response to a judge re the "extensive & protracted criminal conduct of The Trump Organization" yesterday.

Your continued defense of him wishing a pedophile well is disturbing.

Again here is what her charges are:

Specifically, she is charged with:
Conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts
Enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts
Conspiracy to transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
Transporting a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53268218

Not simply “traveling with a 17 year old”.

These are the threads that are always made the most interesting by who doesn’t post in them.

Again here is what her charges are: Not simply “traveling with a 17 year old”.

You forgot perjury in a civil deposition where she made financial settlements w/the "minors" who were 17 not 12. Yours is a secondary source; I read the actual indictments & they are all "conspiracy to entice/transport" & "intent." The sex act was statutorially illegal at 17. Plenty of 17 year old "minors" have sex w/men >18.

Maxwell has never been charged w/pedophilia or serial rape as you've suggested in the past. These are her charges - lying, conspiracy, traveling, enticing w/shopping & movies.

The point I'm failing to make is that Maxwell has never been charged or convicted of anything worse than lying, traveling to NM, & shopping w/a 17 year old. She may very well have been a procurer for Epstein & others for girls younger than 17, but the case against her was either bungled or deliberately sabotaged 16 years ago. All these years later - during an election year - these charges have been made to get her to name a public official for whom she was procuring. By themselves, these charges get her about 2 years max. She'll have served 1/2 that by the time her trial even starts.

I don't know what Trump's role in all this was if anything. When asked, he's been non-commital. He can't say he didn't know her or party w/her. He can say exactly what he did - "let them prove somebody was guilty."

The convicted criminal Epstein is dead. The best prosecutors can hope for is other men who were public office holders who had sex w/minors to prosecute. Their way to identify them is through Maxwell.

I want to see a governor, attorney general, senator, ambassador, or cabinet member behind bars for actual rape of a minor. I'm in no way defending Maxwell. Given all the other thugs & criminals Trump has befriended & that his idols are Putin, Xi, & Kim, wishing her well in prison when her BF was either murdered or committed suicide doesn't bother me. Trump didn't raise the issue. The media is trying to keep a dead story, dead prosecution, & dead criminal alive.

Aren't there about a zillion other things the media should be asking Trump? Like why he now considers Birx "pathetic?"

These are the threads that are always made the most interesting by who doesn’t post in them.

I see what you did there.

These are the threads that are always made the most interesting by who doesn’t post in them.

Give it time. It's relatively early in the day. 😛

Your continued defense of him wishing a pedophile well is disturbing.

Just saw this. I've worked for the Innocence Project as a defense attorney for 25 years - people who've actually been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

My 1st response to criminal allegations is to read what they actually are. Maxwell has not been indicted or convicted of pedophilia or rape by anyone but you - re-read the charges you posted from the BBC. The crime of rape or pedophilia isn't there.

I'm not defending Trump or Maxwell. I'm merely saying Trump noted that her BF died in jail, he essentially hopes she - or anyone - doesn't meet the same fate, & LET THE PROSECUTION PROCEED.

I don't care if the pro bono hours I spend in addition to my law practice freeing people innocent of crimes disturbs you. Your insistence on calling Maxwell a pedophile is inaccurate. No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still not going to be true.

WhiteTrashLove Trump because he validates and legitimizes their ignorance, lack of education, low expectation in life, and their low class behavior- like grabbing women, making fun of the disabled, boasting about non-existent wealth, or just being racist and misogynist in their everyday life. Trump is their guy despite the fact that none of them would benefit from things like tax cut. These losers don’t make enough money to pay taxes let alone investing in stocks and real estate to begin with. All they got to hold on to is Trump’s indecency and depravity- something with which they identify strongly.

Slight shift of topic, but did the president ever mangle the pronounciation of Yosemite or what - that to me is astonishing, everyone’s heard of Yosemite Nat’l Park -

Hopefully he isn’t going soft a la Reagan - but the president being unfamiliar w/one of America’s crown-jewels..:....big time gaffe

Your continued defense of him wishing a pedophile well is disturbing.

Just saw this. I've worked for the Innocence Project as a defense attorney for 25 years - people who've actually been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

My 1st response to criminal allegations is to read what they actually are. Maxwell has not been indicted or convicted of pedophilia or rape by anyone but you - re-read the charges you posted from the BBC. The crime of rape or pedophilia isn't there.

I'm not defending Trump or Maxwell. I'm merely saying Trump noted that her BF died in jail, he essentially hopes she - or anyone - doesn't meet the same fate, & LET THE PROSECUTION PROCEED.

I don't care if the pro bono hours I spend in addition to my law practice freeing people innocent of crimes disturbs you. Your insistence on calling Maxwell a pedophile is inaccurate. No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still not going to be true.

She may not be charged with rape of pedophilia, but the charges are human trafficking for that purpose. Trying to make a distinction between the two is no different than saying somebody who supplys a bomb that they know will be used to blow up a building is not actually a terrorist and didn't kill anybody.

She may not be charged with rape of pedophilia, but the charges are human trafficking for that purpose. Trying to make a distinction between the two is no different than saying somebody who supplys a bomb that they know will be used to blow up a building is not actually a terrorist and didn't kill anybody.

Not trafficking or terrorism - Conspiracy. Travel. Perjury.

The real question is why, out of a lengthy interview, was this question even asked? It came after Covid19 & before questions re Russian bounties, the legitimacy of the election, systemic racism, not understanding the difference between the military v. the National Guard, & reverence for monuments to traitorous Confederate soldiers - all of which are directed toward his actions as president.

Bad enough that the interviewer gave this any air time, but why would a commenter here raise it & ignore the substantive topics? Why persist in using inaccurate terms like pedophile & serial rapist?

No one seems to be "disturbed" by Trump saying Robert Kraft's arrest for patronizing prostitutes in a massage parlor owned by a known human trafficker bringing in minors from Asia was "very sad."

Why are you guys so fixated on this? Trump made one throwaway comment when asked about someone he knew - Good luck, hope she doesn't meet the same fate as her BF - & you can't stop calling her a pedophile & serial rapist.

In that same interview, Trump said he wouldn't consider a mail-in vote legitimate & wouldn't leave office if he didn't win. He mentioned legal challenges that could take months. Anyone disturbed by that? That was the big takeaway from the entire interview - a president who won't accept the results of an election & have to be forcibly removed for his successor. THAT's disturbing.

She may not be charged with rape of pedophilia, but the charges are human trafficking for that purpose. Trying to make a distinction between the two is no different than saying somebody who supplys a bomb that they know will be used to blow up a building is not actually a terrorist and didn't kill anybody.

Not trafficking or terrorism - Conspiracy. Travel. Perjury.

The real question is why, out of a lengthy interview, was this question even asked? It came after Covid19 & before questions re Russian bounties, the legitimacy of the election, systemic racism, not understanding the difference between the military v. the National Guard, & reverence for monuments to traitorous Confederate soldiers - all of which are directed toward his actions as president.

Bad enough that the interviewer gave this any air time, but why would a commenter here raise it & ignore the substantive topics? Why persist in using inaccurate terms like pedophile & serial rapist?

No one seems to be "disturbed" by Trump saying Robert Kraft's arrest for patronizing prostitutes in a massage parlor owned by a known human trafficker bringing in minors from Asia was "very sad."

Why are you guys so fixated on this? Trump made one throwaway comment when asked about someone he knew - Good luck, hope she doesn't meet the same fate as her BF - & you can't stop calling her a pedophile & serial rapist.

In that same interview, Trump said he wouldn't consider a mail-in vote legitimate & wouldn't leave office if he didn't win. He mentioned legal challenges that could take months. Anyone disturbed by that? That was the big takeaway from the entire interview - a president who won't accept the results of an election & have to be forcibly removed for his successor. THAT's disturbing.

Some of us have the mental capacity to be disturbed by more than one thing at a time.

Slight shift of topic, but did the president ever mangle the pronounciation of Yosemite or what - that to me is astonishing, everyone’s heard of Yosemite Nat’l Park -

Hopefully he isn’t going soft a la Reagan - but the president being unfamiliar w/one of America’s crown-jewels..:....big time gaffe

That pronunciation was pathetic. I believe he said it twice while he read poorly from scripted notes. I'll bet he and the family have spent many vacations there. 😛

Some of us have the mental capacity to be disturbed by more than one thing at a time.

Then why not raise that issue? A sitting president who can't distinguish between absentee & mail-in ballots, believes any election results would be invalid, & would refuse to accept them until he'd pursued all legal challenges before leaving - by force if necessary. That's never been done in the history of the US. You don't lead w/that. You don't even mention that. You make a few cracks about Covid19 & then on to Maxwell. You gave no indication whatsoever that you found his position untenable.

You started a thread about Trump's interview by a skilled reporter covering key topics of his presidency & then drop the ball. We should be discussing Russian bounties, troop withdrawal in Afghanistan, systemic racism, and his version of law & order. If you can be disturbed by all those things at once, how about sharing your disturbance w/us.

That pronunciation was pathetic. I believe he said it twice while he read poorly from scripted notes. I'll bet he and the family have spent many vacations there. 😛

Aside Trump's general anathema to anything related to the outdoors or protecting the environment, can you imagine Fred Sr packing up the car w/the kids & driving off on a camping vacation?

Some of us have the mental capacity to be disturbed by more than one thing at a time.

Then why not raise that issue? A sitting president who can't distinguish between absentee & mail-in ballots, believes any election results would be invalid, & would refuse to accept them until he'd pursued all legal challenges before leaving - by force if necessary. That's never been done in the history of the US. You don't lead w/that. You don't even mention that. You make a few cracks about Covid19 & then on to Maxwell. You gave no indication whatsoever that you found his position untenable.

You started a thread about Trump's interview by a skilled reporter covering key topics of his presidency & then drop the ball. We should be discussing Russian bounties, troop withdrawal in Afghanistan, systemic racism, and his version of law & order. If you can be disturbed by all those things at once, how about sharing your disturbance w/us.

I actually created a thread specifically about Trumps comments on mail in voting yesterday.

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=150436

And also you’re free to create threads on the topics you want to discuss.

[Edited on 8/5/2020 by Pdouble]

I actually created a thread specifically about Trumps comments on mail in voting yesterday.

And got no responses until your plug this morning because it was the Axios interview where he made shocking statements that you failed to mention. I certainly would've discussed that after watching the complete interview not just excerpts. There were many opportunities for discussion in the Axios thread that were de-railed because you can't stay away from one minor comment made a month ago.

You could edit your Axios thread to delete mention of Maxwell & add your thoughts on his refusal to accept mail-in votes, I'd delete my responses re Maxwell, & perhaps there'd be a discussion of the interview.

[Edited on 8/5/2020 by cyclone88]

 

cyclone, I know you're coming at this as a lawyer, but just because Maxwell hasn't been charged as a skeevy facilitator by a DA, she has been named in a number of civil lawsuits in detail as such.

But there is much more to unpack from this interview regarding Trump's incompetence and negligence, to say the least. It's jaw dropping, even for him.

I actually created a thread specifically about Trumps comments on mail in voting yesterday.

And got no responses until your plug this morning because it was the Axios interview where he made shocking statements that you failed to mention. I certainly would've discussed that after watching the complete interview not just excerpts. There were many opportunities for discussion in the Axios thread that were de-railed because you can't stay away from one minor comment made a month ago.

You could edit your Axios thread to delete mention of Maxwell & add your thoughts on his refusal to accept mail-in votes, I'd delete my responses re Maxwell, & perhaps there'd be a discussion of the interview.

[Edited on 8/5/2020 by cyclone88]

No I think I’ll leave my comments about him reiterating his well wishes. Nobody’s forcing you to comment on them.

[Edited on 8/5/2020 by Pdouble]

 

cyclone, I know you're coming at this as a lawyer, but just because Maxwell hasn't been charged as a skeevy facilitator by a DA, she has been named in a number of civil lawsuits in detail as such.

But there is much more to unpack from this interview regarding Trump's incompetence and negligence, to say the least. It's jaw dropping, even for him.

PCB, I appreciate your insights. It's more than just legal - some of it is factual & political. Epstein, Maxwell, & un-named "others" were adjudicated in FL 16+ years ago. Epstein did a deal, served time, & registered as a sex offender. Prosecutors couldn't even find enough to CHARGE Maxwell, much less try her, but they did provide immunity for her (usually given if they think she has something to say). 16 years pass. All of a sudden, Epstein is dead in prison & a year later, Maxwell is arrested by the Public Corruption division which only handles crimes by public office holders. So, in an election year, Maxwell is arrested in the hopes of getting the names of the public officials who are/were pedophiles of 12-14 yr old girls. Speculation includes current or former governors, attorneys general, senators, cabinet members, & judges. Were they to be arrested in an election year, their careers would be over. It's a tactic.

When asked in a presser if Trump knew about Maxwell & Prince Andrew, he said the now egregious phrase of essentially, 'I haven't been following it, I knew her in my Palm Beach days, I know she's in jail, wish her well, & know nothing about Prince Andrew.' No big deal to anyone except the media. When asked to clarify in the Axios interview, Trump repeated that he didn't know her charges, knew her BF had died in prison, wished that nothing similar would befall her as he would for his interviewer & "anyone else," and let the prosecution do its job. The End. That's it. That's all he said.

You know I'm not a Trump fan to put it mildly, but he didn't say anything awful. There's a lot of speculation about Epstein/Maxwell, but whatever evidence was used in trial is no longer available, was insufficient to charge Maxwell, and both Epstein and Maxwell SETTLED CIVIL SUITS. Any new lawsuits 16 years later are piling on & have been/will be tossed. The best prosecutors could come up w/was perjury (in a deposition in one of those settled civil suits) & conspiracy based on the faulty memory of a now 30-something woman. They don't need much if all they want is to flip Maxwell. Throwing around words like pedophile & serial rapist is irresponsible & ignorant. Epstein was proven to be that, but he's dead. Maxwell ISN'T Epstein. She may be a horrible person who did despicable things, but she's not been charged in FL or NY for being anything more than a gofer & made financial settlements w/her accuser(s). Why fixate on that & transfer Epstein's sins to her? Why not fixate on Kraft's guilty plea for prostitution w/a minor trafficked in from Asia - HE's a pedophile. Trump said "it's sad." Is that better for a guilty trafficking pedophile than "good luck" to a defendant whose BF died under mysterious circumstances in prison? Why isn't Trump asked to clarify that in the Axios interview?

I've presented the legal facts as the public knows them. If people want to ignore them & make inaccurate ignorant statements, so be it.

I just find it odd that out of the wealth of information in the Axios interview, what stuck was sexual. Kind of like people remember Trump's Access Hollywood tape & the names of the playboy bunny & stripper that were paid off more than the names of experts - intelligence, security, military, economic, DOJ, FBI - Trump's fired. Pointless trying to have a conversation w/someone stuck on sex when the future of the US is in jeopardy due to Trump's ineptness.

Weird, Maxwell was just one aspect about the interview I mentioned. Yet is the only part cyclone harps on.

That was like 25% of the “highlights” I mentioned when I created the thread.

[Edited on 8/5/2020 by Pdouble]

Of all the things in that interview, Maxwell was essentially nothing imo

The response about John Lewis was sick
his continued delusion re coronovirus is dangerous
His denial about Russia is also dangerous

he needs to go.

Weird, Maxwell was just one aspect about the interview I mentioned. Yet is the only part cyclone harps on.

And the one you clung to when I suggested we both delete comments about her & move on to the multiple substantive topics related to the Trump presidency in the Axios interview.

Enjoy your day.