So the man who should be in quarantine couldn't wait to take his mask off on the balcony. Ok, you're outside, but how about some consideration for the other people working in the Whitehouse. He was obviously still having issues breathing, and his hairpiece almost blew off. Not sure his little stunt went off as he was planning.
Everything Trump does is about him & only him. Today like the day before was a big PR stunt. His disregard for the health of those around him should surprise nobody. He is a one man, walking, talking, bloviating superspreader.
The good news is even with Covid he said yesterday that he felt better than he has in 20 years. What an amazing president we have. He should stay in office 4 more years 40 more years to lead this great nation. The people of this country need him more & more each day.
@bigv I don't know, V. SHOULD Cam be back next week?
I am a life-long fan of the game of football. I played the game when I was younger, worked with a high school program for 24 years - as an Alabama fan I'm about as big a Cam Newton fan (played for arch rival, Auburn) as I can possibly be.
A better and bigger question is should the game be played at ANY level right now?
But, alas - this thread is not about football.
That Trump appears to be on the mend is an answer to many prayers. As much as I really can't stand him, I am happy for this news. But his dismissal of the disease is very troubling.
"Don't let Covid ruin your lives..." He could also say that there are a lot of people who monkey around with black tar heroin and never pay the ultimate price. He could advocate playing football in an abandoned mine field. His minimizing of the virus just sets a pi$$-poor example. This is not leadership.
EDIT: corrected misspelled word.
@rusty Nah I think he has it. Trump has made it difficult to trust anything he does or says, but I don't think you could pull off such an elaborate fake out. The need to display strong optics is evidence of his vanity, not wanting to look weak. Everyone reacts differently to the virus and he should be thankful that his blatant disregard didn't turn out worse as it has for over 200,000 people in this country alone.
@rusty Trump can only relate to his own experience, which is not a great quality in a President.
I don't think it's actually realistic to blame the entire pandemic on our President, but I am positive that out of 200,000 + deaths - there's a number of whom picked the disease up while following his cue and example.
Football? The PLAYERS (pretty much all levels) DO get tested on a regular basis. Whenever a PLAYER contracts the illness - the media quickly reports on it. What about those FANS who pack the turnstiles, restrooms and concession stands while attending these games? These folks have pretty much been relegated as, "nobodies". They can fall ill and die off in score and we'll never hear about how they MIGHT have caught the virus.
And spare me that "minimal crowds of spectators" BS! Did you watch the Georgia-Auburn game last Saturday? That looked more like a typical crowd for a non-conference game. Not packed, but still pretty dense (add your own "dense" joke here).
Everything Trump does is about him & only him. Today like the day before was a big PR stunt. His disregard for the health of those around him should surprise nobody. He is a one man, walking, talking, bloviating superspreader.
The good news is even with Covid he said yesterday that he felt better than he has in 20 years. What an amazing president we have. He should stay in office
4 more years40 more years to lead this great nation. The people of this country need him more & more each day.
Well, of course he feels better than he has in 20 years - he's pumped full of steroids & unknown substances & captured the attention of the world for 72 hours.
He has zero understanding even after having been to Walter Reed school & learning that Covid is nothing to be afraid of. If he had it, he was given aggressive experimental treatment & monitored 24/7 that isn't available to the average person - all of which is exactly what the president should receive. What he doesn't seem to "get" is that being monitored 24/7 w/oxygen & a multi-disciplinary team at the ready for an average patient usually requires being in the ICU.
Now, he has something else in which he's an expert who knows more than scientists & doctors. We'll never hear the end of it until maybe January, 2021.
Wonder if his makeup artist & hair stylist wore full PPE for his photo ops last evening...
Just when you thought you have seen it all
Trumps actions and comments are beyond irresponsible and dangerous. The WH isn’t doing contact tracing. He is putting lives at risk
I don’t get it.
Just when you thought you have seen it all
Trumps actions and comments are beyond irresponsible and dangerous. The WH isn’t doing contact tracing. He is putting lives at risk
I don’t get it.
I think martind28 pretty much summed it up. He doesn't care who else got it or how so why do contact tracing.
He's been putting lives at risk ever since he knew how deadly the disease was far earlier than he admitted & didn't bother to do anything - even behind the scenes - to prevent, mitigate, or even inform anyone.
@bigv I don't know, V. SHOULD Cam be back next week? But, alas - this thread is not about football.
I am aware this thread is about the President and Not football. My intent was to address the FEAR that is still being bought by the general public. If a QB can survive and play weeks later and a sitting president can pull through and return to office and resume his duties.... Is this not a narrative the President has every right and obligation to push forward? Get out there and live, it does not kill everyone who contacts it like the media would have us believe.
V, I ain't gonna get into a urination competition with ya. As Cyclone mentioned, Presidents and NFL QBs probably get a higher quality of treatment than the general public. The latter is likely to be a much healthier specimen than most. I don't know what your personal history with Covid is, but I just watched a close friend lose a very quick fight with it. It's not how you want to die.
So, are you going to take the vaccine? Will you chivalrously allow for someone else to have first dibs at a ventilator?
Yes, could you please wrangle Big V over to the NFL thread to talk about this topic?
One more point about Trump's VIP care is that he didn't go home to a 3B/3ba on a cul de sac; he went "home" to the White House where he will still have 24/7 medical care, a hospital suite, & supplies/equipment that many small hospitals don't have.
Pro athletes get special care, including staying in bubbles. One player recently remarked that the bubble for his current location wasn't as secure as his previous location because his current room was next door to sightseeing tourists rather than players only. Tested positive the next day.
it does not kill everyone who contacts it like the media would have us believe.
The media has been pretty even keel that COVID affects everyone differently, and that it can and has caused death. There is a real risk, but it's clearly inconsistent. Cam Newton is probably one of the healthiest people on the planet, I wouldn't cite him as a Control.
You can live your life, but take precautions if you feel you are at risk. The real fear is if Newton visits his grandma while infected.
Survival rates look sunny until you realize what a massive sample size it is - those numbers are people. My wife just lost a 40 year old co-worker to COVID who leaves behind an 8 year old daughter. People should still be limiting their potential exposure.
So, are you going to take the vaccine?
Not the first round, no way, no how. Would you take a vaccine that has been rushed to the front line out of fear?
No, Covid doesn’t kill everyone who gets infected. There are > 7 million Americans infected. 210,000 have died. 2 or 3 % of a very large number is still a large number.
hopefully, the vaccine won’t be rushed out. Of course, if Trump has his way, it will be here before 11/03 ready or not. Hopefully docs and scientists will make that decision
No, Covid doesn’t kill everyone who gets infected. There are > 7 million Americans infected. 210,000 have died. 2 or 3 % of a very large number is still a large number.
hopefully, the vaccine won’t be rushed out. Of course, if Trump has his way, it will be here before 11/03 ready or not. Hopefully docs and scientists will make that decision
Trump can rush a vaccine, downplay Covid all he wants, tell us he's Superman, etc. The American voters have seen his movies and reruns too many times in 2020 on Covid. In a month he will be toast as leader of the free world (actually January 2021). Then he can look forward to his many legal issues. He should have more free time soon.
If Superspreader Trump shows for next week's debate, it'll be interesting to see how he deals with Covid questions.
If Superspreader Trump shows for next week's debate, it'll be interesting to see how he deals with Covid questions.
Starting with "I have survived and have returned to my post, so can you"!
He certainly isn't interested in working to help provide financial relief:
I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-ends-stimulus-talks/index.html
Even when passed, these wheels turn slow and a lot of businesses will be impacted by late Fall and early Winter. Not the time to dangle a carrot for a date that is arbitrary to just about everyone other than Trump.
I don't remember hearing Trump sound too remorseful following the death of Herman Cain. So far, he has not emerged from his own episode with the level of humility or respect for the disease that I had hoped that he would have. I'm not a believer in Karma per se, but Coronavirus has a history of making sharp u-turns. Should this happen to Trump - who has returned to his "no worse than the common flu" rhetoric - I'll only be able to muster crocodile tears.
So, are you going to take the vaccine?
Not the first round, no way, no how. Would you take a vaccine that has been rushed to the front line out of fear?
It seems to me that the only person rushing the vaccine is Mr. Trump.
I plan on taking the vaccine as soon as it has been blessed by those who know and understand WTF they're talking about.
Heard today that a military guy got covid at the White House. Total now is 20 infected from the White House and White House events.
So the man who should be in quarantine couldn't wait to take his mask off on the balcony. Ok, you're outside, but how about some consideration for the other people working in the Whitehouse. He was obviously still having issues breathing, and his hairpiece almost blew off. Not sure his little stunt went off as he was planning.
Reminded me of the Il Duce doing his thing from the balcony. At least Il Duce made the trains run on time during his tenure...
Watching Trump trying to catch his breath and appear like some sort of super hero patriot was beyond tacky. Great for the 30% trump cult members who get off on such pageantry, but the rest of the world I suspect were embarrassed for him and the country as a whole.
I certainly was and was reminded yet again of the parallels and similarities between Trump and Caligula himself....
@chain There was a blurb on the CNN site that said that Trump "re-entered the White House a second time - for a re-take by his personal photographer". Yeah, standing there and removing his mask looked like something out of a Batman movie. Like a child playing super hero.
No kidding? So thirty minutes of pics in multiple poses and from multiple angles just wasn’t enough for Trump? Talk about narcissism....
I think you said it best as he really is a child in many ways..The constant tough guy act is a manifestation of his child like insecurities.
Taking a poll. When do you think Mr. Pink Eye will test positive for Covid 19? My guess is Friday, immediately after the stock market closes.
Okay, another person that I know has died from Covid.
Husband of the teller at my bank - worked with seniors in a retirement home. These places have become nothing short of actual Corona farms.
This person wasn't anybody that anybody on this thread would know so I didn't make a separate thread in the Anything Goes section. I chose to write about in here in the TRUMP and Covid thread to purposely lay it at his feet.
Is Donald Trump responsible for all of the 210,000 + (and growing) Covid related deaths? Probably not. But his actions, his minimizing of the virus, his belittling of those who choose to wear masks - these actions certainly mean that he has emboldened many of his ovine followers. I am positively certain that he is indeed responsible for a good number of these deaths.
I live on an island with a population of under 10,000. That there have been two deaths of people "in my circle" means that we have at least more than our share of this $hit.
Trump was fortunate to have the finest medical care and doctors in our solar system - nobody can deny this. I am glad that he survived. He did not emerge with any sense or showing of humility or respect for the virus or others who may be in its path.
He is most certainly dangerous. He just might be a total fuc#ing madman.
That's all.
You're right that Trump is dangerous in that he has a cult following who will believe & do anything he says. He perceives people as voters to be manipulated to his advantage. CNN did a short video at the FL rally where the maskless, non-social distancing attendees were asked if they thought wearing a mask would help protect spread of the virus. Not surprisingly, the answers ranged from "no, masks are actually harmful" to "no." When pressed as to whether they were concerned about getting Covid, the answers ranged from "no," to "it's God's will if I die." The FINAL question was if Trump said to wear a mask, would you wear one. The answer was "yes." This batch of rally attendees were solid in their abdication of any cognitive ability of their own in favor of blind loyalty to Trump.
Trump could snap his fingers & his disciples would be wearing masks. For a man who is concerned about the economy or re-election or ego, he could have a win-win. The spread would be slowed by a 99% mask-wearing public AND his approval rating would jump for encouraging the one thing that the world knows slows spread.
most polls have Joe ahead, if it holds to form, in just 3 more weeks America’s four-year hell under ‘deranged dictator Donald/imperial king Trump’ will be over
it’s not a cinch, the president has his supporters (minions? disciples?), & his detractors wont get complacent
mayb in its welcome refreshing liberating age-of-aquarius sunshine, the new administration could get covid #s to drop
