There was a thread here earlier relating that our President and First Lady have been diagnosed with Covid.
No politics - I (we should all) pray for the First Family and those among them.
I hope that this generates greater awareness and acceptance that this virus is extremely real.
Updated news says that the President is experiencing only "mild effects of Covid". This sounds like better news.
I'm not trying to go all drama queen, but our late friend David (Freebird1975) was told by his doctors and nurses that he was going to win his battle. This all went downhill fast, though. He expired less than 2 days after hearing what sounded like great news.
Again - no politics. If you just don't want to wear a mask - consider staying as far the f##k away from others as you possibly can until you've been vaccinated ... if you're not also an "anti-vaxer".
Be safe - be healthy.
Peace.
RB
I made a post, went back to the forum list, and the thread was gone.
So is the "I wasn't surprised" thread
@jerry I can see the 'I wasn't surprised' thread - Rowland mentioned in Anything Goes that he migrated to a new server last night - might still be issues .... let him know if anything else is amiss.....
This was inevitable. What's unfortunate is the number of people involved - the RNC chairman, everyone on flights w/Trump, people around him this week, the Secret Service, the SCOTUS nominee who made her maskless rounds on Capitol Hill while working on her hearing testimony in the West Wing & those who met w/her. The impression given was that after Trump's valet & Pence's staffer had it in the West Wing, there was more diligence as well as regular, if not daily, testing for Trump. Wrong, I guess.
I suspect Trump will go the Boris Johnson route - conducting business as usual until the virus made that impossible. Johnson ended up in ICU & said after his release that it was far more serious than the public was made aware except for the temporary transfer of power.
I hope Pence & Pelosi are taking this seriously.
Really bad form for the Trump campaign not to notify Biden who at least tweeted thoughts for recovery.
Trump is at high risk: old, obese, and low-income.
Thoughts and prayers.
Sign him up for Medicaid? 😉
He'll actually have access to the best doctors and medicine available.
I guess this shoots down my personal conspiracy theory that he and his cronies had already been vaccinated.
This is what happens when leadership by example is empty. Instead of creating a culture war of a mask that can protect people, Trump gets Covid. Inevitable? And he was going to two more Trump Covid Rallies in hotspot state Wisc this weekend. I guess he gives the good people in that state a better chance of not contracting Covid at a rally now. Hoax?
This will sound pretty sick - morbid, perhaps. Suppose Trump succumbed to this virus - would Pence be the candidate or would the GOP have to do the entire nomination again? Hypothetical situation, of course.
@rusty I assume the GOP would quickly make Pence the nominee since he would be the incumbent and acting President.
The time to be nice to the tyrant has passed and so I have one relatively benign observation: Karma...
I'm having my doubts that this is true. Things have been going bad for Trump lately with polls starting to make it look like Biden will win in a landslide. Saying that he has Covid 19 will get him out of the remaining debates and have people focusing on his health instead of his taxes or whatever other bad news might come out before the election. It might help him get some sympathy votes. If his polls continue to lag, he can use it as an excuse. If he resigns due to "his health" he could get a much needed pardon from Pence on the way out the door.
That said, if he does actually have it I wish a recovery for him. Although it seems like Karma has made an appearance, I'd hate for there to be any excuses for not having elections on-time.
I also hope Trump didn't pass it on to Biden while he has yacking for 1.5 hours on Tuesday.
Trump panning for sympathy? Personally, I'd bet that he fears embarrassment over death.
In my opinion, the real tragedy - what should cause the most outrage is that he's led his "flock" into just not taking the virus seriously. Herman Cain's death is one thing, but how many of his rank and file followers have experienced the virus? How many of these types have died?
Just last weekend, there was a Trump flotilla/parade here. The pier and the park surrounding the water were jammed with supporters. I drove by for a look (never got out of the car or rolled windows down). Thousands of folks packed together ... very few masks visable. I guess we'll know soon enough if this was a super spreader event.
Just read where the President is being sent to Walter Reed Hospital ... "for a few days".
Seriously - I'll pray for him.
@rusty I assume the GOP would quickly make Pence the nominee since he would be the incumbent and acting President.
Suppose the worst happens. What happens to early votes (mail-in, absentee etc.) marked for Trump? Is a vote for Trump automatically a vote for Pence? This is all hypothetical, of course.
@rusty I assume the GOP would quickly make Pence the nominee since he would be the incumbent and acting President.
Suppose the worst happens. What happens to early votes (mail-in, absentee etc.) marked for Trump? Is a vote for Trump automatically a vote for Pence? This is all hypothetical, of course.
I'm sure there is something in the election law regarding the death of a candidate and his or hers votes.
Crazy times these "daze" indeed.
@rusty I assume the GOP would quickly make Pence the nominee since he would be the incumbent and acting President.
Suppose the worst happens. What happens to early votes (mail-in, absentee etc.) marked for Trump? Is a vote for Trump automatically a vote for Pence? This is all hypothetical, of course.
This shoots his masking-mocking of Biden down as a campaign issue. It's also disrespectful to the dozens, if not hundreds of people w/whom he came into contact from Tues onward.
As for the SCOTUS nominee who has been parading around Capitol Hill, she tested positive this summer! Would have been nice for her to inform people that she has antibodies.
As much as I dislike Trump, I will always pull for the good health of POTUS - whoever is in office.
On the other hand, I feel awful for the people who have died and their families as a result of Trump's denials, misleading statements, no national plan, mocking of mask wearing, and overall failed leadership on Covid. If he would have taken ownership, thousands of lives could have been saved, and the economy would also be in better shape. Think about the thousands of people who aren't getting experimental cocktails and don't get the quality care of a Walter Reed Military Hospital. God bless these people & their families.
It was reported and observed by someone in attendance at the debate the other night that the Biden side of the venue wore masks, and the Trump side were...of course...mask less to show their "strength" and perpetuate culture wars.
Interesting that there are only 3 presidents or prime ministers that have contracted Covid, and all three are from countries in the top 5 with the most COVID deaths AND all 3 are tried to minimize the seriousness of the virus including downplaying the usefulness of wearing masks.
Coincidence?
@rusty There would be a fresh vote. Pence's name would have to be on ballots cast.
This is his office/suite at Walter Reed. Very nice.
Inside the Presidential suite
He was give antibodies right away and then Remdesivir (which is one of the Covid drugs that works and helps people get well within one week), so we know he is getting the best care that they have. They will have effectively stopped the cytokine storm, and then stopped the virus from replicating. I am sure he will be fine with this treatment.
His political opposition will remain after he returns to the White House, they cannot cure that. He will have to just continue on relying on the people who voted for him last time. My one recommendation is that the ventilation system in the House in areas where he spends most his time have the filters installed that can stop the covid germs from getting through, and the rest of the time he MUST remain masked. There are staff and reporters who have also contracted Covid and people have to understand Covid is a serious communicable disease.
If you don't like home, VOTE for whoever else you want. That is how we do things in this country.
From what I understand Gina, Remdesiver is given only if the patient has low oxygen levels. Not saying it doesn't work, just sayin.
I now believe he has it and isn't faking it. It is also looking like he was showing symptoms before traveling to his fundraiser, based on the doctor's timeline and accounts that he didn't look well.
I'm surprised that he didn't insist on taking hydroxychloroquine, whether he needed it or not.
Once again I hope he survives this and that it doesn't impact the election. I also hope that maybe some of the redhats start to take this virus seriously now. I won't count on it, but if a man who has pretty much everyone he comes in contact with tested before they meet still can come down with it, well maybe its not just a Democratic hoex after all.
Yes, the docs at Walter Reade apparently aren't as well-trained at lying as Trump & his staff. He knowingly went to events when he was positive. Not surprising, many are testing positive.
They are evasive, though, but their patient is entitled to his privacy. Under federal law, Trump has to authorize what medical information is released.
His doctor, who is the one who prescribed it for a few days this summer, said they discussed hydroxychloroquine, but decided to proceed w/other experimental drugs. My take is that it didn't work as a prophylaxis if he did a course of it a few months ago & now has the virus.
ETA: The public doesn't need to know the details of Trump's care, especially since questions reporters ask are often meaningless. He doesn't have a fever? Great. Is that because he's taking a fever-reducing medication, using a cooling blanket, or organically doesn't have a fever?
I find it odd that the med team is using aggressive measures, including experimental medications, yet talking about discharging Trump tomorrow. Why aren't reporters asking that question?
So now - a quick hop into the car and a drive around the block to wave at supporters? With driver and passengers? The covid patients that I've known or known about aren't even allowed visitors in the hospital!
Does Trump actually have Covid? My bullshitometer's flashing red lights!
So now - a quick hop into the car and a drive around the block to wave at supporters? With driver and passengers? The covid patients that I've known or known about aren't even allowed visitors in the hospital!
Does Trump actually have Covid? My bullshitometer's flashing red lights!
Assuming that if he does, this is just another idiotic stunt for Trump to do. Total disregard for the staff (assume WH Staff, Secret Service, Medical Staff????). He can't help himself, and everything he does is for PR purposes. What a joke. This clown needs to be voted out in a month. He's making a mockery of his own failed polices and doesn't follow CDC guidelines.
Saw today that WH not being cooperative with states he visited this week so to do contract tracing. Why would they? Nothing about Trump is transparent except lies and failure.
The secret service agents were wearing N95 and gowns.
It was TOTALLY irresponsible for Trump to do that.
Also, WSJ reporting that he actually had a rapid test + on Thursday, and went on Sean Hannity's show that day after getting the results back.
Again, total disregard for anyone but himself
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/04/us/trump-vs-biden
“It’s been a very interesting journey; I learned a lot about Covid,” Mr. Trump said in the video. “I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school, this isn’t the let’s-read-the-book school. And I get it, and I understand it, and it’s a very interesting thing, and I’m going to be letting you know about it. In the meantime, we love the U.S.A., and we love what’s happening.”
He sat in the back of the vehicle, wearing a black cloth mask, sitting behind at least two Secret Service agents. Face coverings are a safeguard — and the *N95 masks the agents seemed to be wearing are an especially effective barrier — but they are not an absolute guarantee of stopping transmission, especially in a small enclosed space occupied by a person known to be infected. * the N95 masks the agents are seen wearing have a one way valve which only protects the person wearing it.
It was not clear if there was a partition in the S.U.V.
“Appropriate precautions were taken in the execution of this movement to protect the President and all those supporting it, including PPE,” Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, said in an email Sunday night. “The movement was cleared by the medical team as safe to do.”
“That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack,” Dr. James P. Phillips, whose profile on Doximity, a professional network for doctors, lists him as an emergency medicine physician affiliated with Walter Reed, wrote on Twitter.
“The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.”
Dr. Phillips, whose Twitter profile lists him as the chief of disaster and operational medicine at George Washington University, tweeted that every person riding in the S.U.V. with Mr. Trump needed to quarantine for 14 days.
“They may die,” Dr. Phillips wrote. “For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.”
So the man who should be in quarantine couldn't wait to take his mask off on the balcony. Ok, you're outside, but how about some consideration for the other people working in the Whitehouse. He was obviously still having issues breathing, and his hairpiece almost blew off. Not sure his little stunt went off as he was planning.
Does Trump actually have Covid? My bullshitometer's flashing red lights!
Kind of a dilemma huh?....
Will Cam Newton be back on the field next week?
