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BrerRabbit
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So let me get this straight - The Mueller.investigation results are controlled by one person? How Sovietski is tbat?


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 7:40 am
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So let me get this straight - The Mueller.investigation results are controlled by one person? How Sovietski is tbat?

I believe this is due to the reforms passed after the Ken Starr Special Counsel investigations about, well, blow jobs....The special counsel law was reformed in order to prevent the person chosen to be a "special counsel" from going off half cocked and testifying before Congress, releasing the report to the press, etc...This reform of the special counsel statute occurred in 1999 I believe.

One other note is that as I'm sure everyone knows now, McConnell blocked the Senate yesterday from voting to demand the report be released to the public. It would seem to me that behind the scenes Trump and ole' Mitchy agreed that the Senate at least would not support transparency. McConnell providing cover once again...


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 12:23 pm
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So let me get this straight - The Mueller.investigation results are controlled by one person? How Sovietski is tbat?

I believe this is due to the reforms passed after the Ken Starr Special Counsel investigations about, well, blow jobs....The special counsel law was reformed in order to prevent the person chosen to be a "special counsel" from going off half cocked and testifying before Congress, releasing the report to the press, etc...This reform of the special counsel statute occurred in 1999 I believe.

One other note is that as I'm sure everyone knows now, McConnell blocked the Senate yesterday from voting to demand the report be released to the public. It would seem to me that behind the scenes Trump and ole' Mitchy agreed that the Senate at least would not support transparency. McConnell providing cover once again...

I saw that yesterday re: Mitch's decision. Obviously protecting Trump is greater than transparency for the benefit of "we the people". Interesting in that I believe the HOR voted almost unanimously to release the report. What is wrong with slugs like Mitch M.? What is he scared of? Does the truth matter? Let the people see Mueller's words; not lackey Barr's words. If the full report is in sync with Barr's 2nd hand interpretation then fine. On the other hand, if there are discrepancies with Barr's 4 page report then that probably opens up more concerns.


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 12:43 pm
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So let me get this straight - The Mueller.investigation results are controlled by one person? How Sovietski is tbat?

I believe this is due to the reforms passed after the Ken Starr Special Counsel investigations about, well, blow jobs....The special counsel law was reformed in order to prevent the person chosen to be a "special counsel" from going off half cocked and testifying before Congress, releasing the report to the press, etc...This reform of the special counsel statute occurred in 1999 I believe.

One other note is that as I'm sure everyone knows now, McConnell blocked the Senate yesterday from voting to demand the report be released to the public. It would seem to me that behind the scenes Trump and ole' Mitchy agreed that the Senate at least would not support transparency. McConnell providing cover once again...

I saw that yesterday re: Mitch's decision. Obviously protecting Trump is greater than transparency for the benefit of "we the people". Interesting in that I believe the HOR voted almost unanimously to release the report. What is wrong with slugs like Mitch M.? What is he scared of? Does the truth matter? Let the people see Mueller's words; not lackey Barr's words. If the full report is in sync with Barr's 2nd hand interpretation then fine. On the other hand, if there are discrepancies with Barr's 4 page report then that probably opens up more concerns.

McConnell, when his end comes, will pay a very high price I think for his choice to allow and overlook Trump's behavior simply to have free reign to appoint far right judges to federal courts. He must have at some point made the calculus that a ruined reputation is a low enough price to pay. Especially if such appeasement keeps him in the leadership position as long as possible.


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 1:58 pm
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Although even in this forum we see those who can't seem to uncouple their loyalty to Trump long enough to admit the Russian threat is real and needs to be addressed. It's as if it's an insult even to suggest the cyber attack is real.

Exactly. Screw Trump, he is a minor player in this thing, get his @ss out of the way - I would like to know what our 40MM dug up on the Russian cyber invasion.


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 3:12 pm
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You are misreading Trump supporters in your theory here...The correct read is Trump supporters believe Russia had attempted to use facebook to spread political misinformation, BUT Trump supporters were not duped into voting for Trump because of facebook ads. Hillary did a great job convincing all the deplorables and the "Russian effort" had litttle bearing on their votes.

[Edited on 3/27/2019 by OriginalGoober]


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 3:19 pm
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Whatever, enough with the trump, the hilary, making me throw up. There is a lot more to this story than how it benefits or injures a few dirtbags. Let's hear the new info on Russian cyberwars.


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 3:25 pm
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You are misreading Trump supporters in your theory here...The correct read is Trump supporters believe Russia had attempted to use facebook to spread political misinformation, BUT Trump supporters were not duped into voting for Trump because of facebook ads. Hillary did a great job convincing all the deplorables and the "Russian effort" had litttle bearing on their votes.

[Edited on 3/27/2019 by OriginalGoober]

Hey Goober, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. It is a tremendous bargain. You and your fellow Trump supporters should pool your resources.


 
Posted : March 26, 2019 8:36 pm
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You are misreading Trump supporters in your theory here...The correct read is Trump supporters believe Russia had attempted to use facebook to spread political misinformation, BUT Trump supporters were not duped into voting for Trump because of facebook ads. Hillary did a great job convincing all the deplorables and the "Russian effort" had litttle bearing on their votes.

[Edited on 3/27/2019 by OriginalGoober]

No, goob. No one is misreading Trump voters, as they were not the targets. Instead, the targets were the independent voters who could have swayed either way. Influence of these in states where Trump won with thin margins, and the electoral college could be tilted.

You mentioned that "Trump supporters were not duped into voting for Trump because of facebook ads." You are correct. Russian FB ads took a back seat to Trump, himself who was very good at duping impressionable voters.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 3:58 am
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McConnell blocked the Senate yesterday from voting to demand the report be released to the public. It would seem to me that behind the scenes Trump and ole' Mitchy agreed that the Senate at least would not support transparency. McConnell providing cover once again...

I saw that yesterday re: Mitch's decision. Obviously protecting Trump is greater than transparency for the benefit of "we the people". Interesting in that I believe the HOR voted almost unanimously to release the report. What is wrong with slugs like Mitch M.? What is he scared of? Does the truth matter? Let the people see Mueller's words; not lackey Barr's words.

As I've said before, Americans simply don't seem to care that a foreign government - a hostile one at that - interfered in our democratic election. It's a given & the only question was whether the candidate actively participated or just benefited.

Barr's summary of Mueller's report says no collusion. Dems/GOPs accept that. Mueller didn't say there was no interference. IMO, confirmation of interference is a significant finding. Anyone going to do anything about that?

The Trump response is to pursue the "treasonous 13" who launched the SC investigation. McConnell wants to bury the report that could provide insight into how the interference occurred. Where's the promise to secure the 2020 election? Ignorance isn't a defense anymore. It happened. Who's going to vote if Russia is just going to rinse/repeat?


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 4:06 am
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McConnell blocked the Senate yesterday from voting to demand the report be released to the public. It would seem to me that behind the scenes Trump and ole' Mitchy agreed that the Senate at least would not support transparency. McConnell providing cover once again...

I saw that yesterday re: Mitch's decision. Obviously protecting Trump is greater than transparency for the benefit of "we the people". Interesting in that I believe the HOR voted almost unanimously to release the report. What is wrong with slugs like Mitch M.? What is he scared of? Does the truth matter? Let the people see Mueller's words; not lackey Barr's words.

As I've said before, Americans simply don't seem to care that a foreign government - a hostile one at that - interfered in our democratic election. It's a given & the only question was whether the candidate actively participated or just benefited.

Barr's summary of Mueller's report says no collusion. Dems/GOPs accept that. Mueller didn't say there was no interference. IMO, confirmation of interference is a significant finding. Anyone going to do anything about that?

The Trump response is to pursue the "treasonous 13" who launched the SC investigation. McConnell wants to bury the report that could provide insight into how the interference occurred. Where's the promise to secure the 2020 election? Ignorance isn't a defense anymore. It happened. Who's going to vote if Russia is just going to rinse/repeat?

I totally agree. The interference should be of the upmost priority to prevent for future elections. Initially there seemed to be outrage, and then this seems to have subsided as if there aren't any ongoing Russian operations going on that impact future elections. We should be doing everything possible using cyber-security and other means to prevent interference from ever potentially impacting our elections. Trump should be front and center with his hammer & sickle 😛 assuring that no other presidential candidates are assisted by Russia or other foreign enemies.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 4:57 am
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Exactly - the Russians are waging cyberwar, there could be all kinds of damage they are causing while we argue over their stooge.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 9:11 am
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Exactly - the Russians are waging cyberwar, there could be all kinds of damage they are causing while we argue over their stooge.

American leaders don't seem to care that the Mueller report according to Barr is premised that there was Russian interference in our election whether the candidate knew or not. No one, except the occasional retired intelligence pundit on a 1 am cable show, ever mentions that something needs to be done about that. The Dems seem ready to concede 2020 by not raising the issue.

Trump may swoon over autocrats Xi, Un, & MBS, but he has criticized them on occasion. Not Putin. Trump's ridiculed US intelligence, security, & military arms of the gov't & may divert funding from them for his "border emergency" so he's demonstrated zero incentive for the GOP to make any inquiries into preventing a re-occurrence in 2020. Why change the status quo that's worked so well? Maybe the strategy's even been refined since 2016. Who's going to stop it?


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 10:52 am
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As I mentioned in another thread, the current general in charge of the Cyber warfare department within the Pentagon is saying plenty about the Russian's and other foreign powers that not only hacked our election, but continue to steal American technology via cyber warfare.

This particular leader has been making the rounds in the halls of Congress and screaming loudly at the administration that he and his dept. need more resources and a greater political commitment in order to address the ever growing cyber threat.

The fact that McConnell and his enablers within the Senate seem hell bent on providing cover for Trump while ignoring the real issue in Mueller's report and the findings of our intelligence service tells me that the Repubs. in the Senate are as treasonous as Trump.

At least the House Republicans support release of the full Mueller report.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 11:44 am
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This particular leader has been making the rounds in the halls of Congress and screaming loudly at the administration that he and his dept. need more resources and a greater political commitment in order to address the ever growing cyber threat.

And is he getting anywhere w/that? Is anyone listening? The Dems seem so complacent & resigned to losing 2020.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 12:49 pm
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If cyber is so critical then stop playing games over the border wall funding.
Looks like a compromise opportunity to me. Give on the wall , get funding for cyber. As long as its spent on security both sides win.


 
Posted : March 27, 2019 4:06 pm
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When asked directly by friendly reporter Fox's Jeanine Pirro, he didn't say no. He said he was insulted by the question.

What's astonishing is that his worship of Putin, pro-Russian stance, anti-ally rhetoric, & secret actions toward Russia so alarmed the FBI that they sought & got permission from the DOJ to open an investigation as to WHETHER THE PRESIDENT WAS WORKING FOR RUSSIA. This has NEVER been done - even when paranoid Hoover ran the FBI.

It's akin to posing the question of is FDR working for Germany, Nixon for Vietnam, GHW Bus for Iraq, W Bush for Iraq/Afghanistan, or Truman for North Korea. Surreal.

I don't think Trump works for Russia. IMO he's a narcissist & complete political neophyte so intent on making self-enriching financial deals in Russia & being part of the autocratic frat that he's beyond reason when it comes to Putin & Russia. Putin, however, isn't a neophyte. He's a strategist. He's found a wannabe he can manipulate into doing his bidding - undermining America, isolating it from its allies, & getting it out of Russia's way in global spots they've eyed for decades.

I do think he's acted in self-aggrandizement & ignorance of basic civics. He was completely unprepared for office & may have broken the law along the way. Maybe Mueller will find that. In the meantime, the fact that the FBI is investigating the president as a Russian operative brings to mind McCarthy's insistence that Commie Russia was infiltrating the US & one day, we'd see that wasn't just his personal paranoia.

A Russian Operative? Not exactly, a partnership with Russia? Some think so, but it is much more complicated than this.

"Trump has Been Preparing This for 35 years" - partnership with Russia


 
Posted : March 30, 2019 9:51 am
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