I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."
True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.
Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.
He does have a base - many of the angry voters & many standard GOP voters who will vote for him. I have seen stats where 20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him.
Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.
If he's failing to pull votes from the groups you mentioned, he would have to be getting about
96% of the white male vote to be in a virtual tie, which he clearly isn't. He's getting a lot of
votes from somewhere.
If he's failing to pull votes from the groups you mentioned, he would have to be getting about
96% of the white male vote to be in a virtual tie, which he clearly isn't. He's getting a lot of
votes from somewhere.
Beyond the primaries, which only account for a relatively small part of the entire electorate (i.e. committed/engaged Rs or Ds, especially in states where you must be enrolled in a party to vote in the primary) neither candidate has gotten any votes yet. We're talking polls, and polls are often wrong (just look at the swings of as much as 10 points between the various polling orgs) especially when it comes to measuring impacts of voting blocks. I know you probably know this, and it doesn't change the validity of the point you are making, but just seemed worth calling it out.
So presidential. :eyeroll:
Hotel fights back after Donald Trump threatens to not pay
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/donald-trump-hotel-air-conditioning-roanoke/index.html
According to Trump this should not be possible...
"Donald Trump won’t be releasing his tax returns, his campaign chairman reiterated today, despite renewed calls for Trump to do so amid questions about whether he has financial ties to Russia.
"Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them," Paul Manafort said in an interview with CBS."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-no-release-tax-returns-226299
Anyone else remember in 2007 when the entire GOP said, "Do you really want a President with NO EXPERIENCE?"
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it. Instead, he just says "believe me". Wouldn't voters expect more? Oh wait, his voters are all racist trash, I forgot.
"Does anyone really believe that a guy who’s spent his seventy years on this earth showing no regard for working people is suddenly going to be your champion? Your voice? If so, you should vote for him...He suggests America is weak...He cozies up to Putin, praises Saddam Hussein, and tells the NATO allies that stood by our side after 9/11 that they have to pay up if they want our protection. America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump...He’s selling the American people short. We are not a fragile people, we’re not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled...Anyone who threatens our values, whether Fascists or Communists or jihadists or homegrown demagogues, will always fail in the end."
This apple landed right at the bottom of the tree. What a tool.
Trump threatens to punch DNC Speakers
Ok, I no longer think he is a thin skinned bully. I honestly think he is mentally ill. Nobody in his right mind would say this.
Trump threatens to punch DNC Speakers
Ok, I no longer think he is a thin skinned bully. I honestly think he is mentally ill. Nobody in his right mind would say this.
What a putz. Looking back at the list of DNC speakers I can't find one that I think he could take.
Of course he was speaking figuratively. When says he would hit them "so hard their head would spin" he means he would call them names. Just like he did in the primaries. It's like watching a 2nd grade bully. But his followers eat it up so it isn't going to stop.
Luckily, if he did punch someone it probably wouldn't hurt very much, you know having such small hands and all.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it. Instead, he just says "believe me". Wouldn't voters expect more? Oh wait, his voters are all racist trash, I forgot.
Only as much as those who would vote for RHC.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it. Instead, he just says "believe me". Wouldn't voters expect more? Oh wait, his voters are all racist trash, I forgot.
Only as much as those who would vote for RHC.
RHC. Rural Health Clinic? Radio Havana Cuba? Relativistic Heat Conduction? You need to be more specific.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it. Instead, he just says "believe me". Wouldn't voters expect more? Oh wait, his voters are all racist trash, I forgot.
Only as much as those who would vote for RHC.
RHC. Rural Health Clinic? Radio Havana Cuba? Relativistic Heat Conduction? You need to be more specific.
Sorry, I have heard so many times the phrase Rotten Hillary Clinton while traveling that I put the initials down in the wrong order. I meant HRC.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.
Actually you are wrong. Candidates say what they want to do and how they plan to do it. Trump says "believe me". As he lies so much, do you believe him? Seeing as how he hires contractors and refuses to pay them, do think he means anything when he says "believe me"?
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.
Wait, what? They all do it so no big deal?? I can't believe you of all people just went there. End times!!
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.Wait, what? They all do it so no big deal?? I can't believe you of all people just went there. End times!!
My predict a response streak is still alive.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.Wait, what? They all do it so no big deal?? I can't believe you of all people just went there. End times!!
My predict a response streak is still alive.
No, you don't have enough imagination.
Broad ideas and an agenda give the voters an idea where the candidate stands and on what
he/she thinks is important. The campaign has never been the time for details, and chances are
the folks clamoring for specifics and step by step guidebook simply don't like the candidate.
I thought Kaine made the best point about Trump. He has an opportunity to explain to his voters exactly how he plans to do all these things, but he's not seizing it.
And which one does? None of them do. A campaign speech is not the time for it, rather to
express their broad ideas and agenda. To be fair, this hardly started with Trump.Wait, what? They all do it so no big deal?? I can't believe you of all people just went there. End times!!
My predict a response streak is still alive.
No, you don't have enough imagination.
Even if that were true It doesn't take much imagination. Far too easy for that.
Broad ideas and an agenda give the voters an idea where the candidate stands and on what
he/she thinks is important. The campaign has never been the time for details, and chances are
the folks clamoring for specifics and step by step guidebook simply don't like the candidate.
Nobody is calling for a step by step guidebook. However, let's look at a few things.
Trump says he will deport all illegal immigrants, something like 11 million of them. The law requires each illegal to have a hearing before they can be deported. This would take many years. How can he possibly do it?
He claims he will build a wall on the Mexican border. He says he will make Mexico pay for it. Mexico laughs at that. How will he do it? The cost would be enormous.
He claims he will ban Muslims from entering the US. There is no legal way to do that.
He will not support NATO allies who don't pay their way. This will strain relationships that are important to our security. It will violate an agreement with many countries.
His tax plan would cost the country 3 trillion dollars, yet he won't explain how to cover that amouny.
He says a lot and you slurp it up, taking an habitual liar at his word. he is a guy who has built a fortune on lying and stealing from those who worked for him or invested with him. And you slurp it up.
Broad ideas and an agenda give the voters an idea where the candidate stands and on what
he/she thinks is important. The campaign has never been the time for details, and chances are
the folks clamoring for specifics and step by step guidebook simply don't like the candidate.Nobody is calling for a step by step guidebook. However, let's look at a few things.
Trump says he will deport all illegal immigrants, something like 11 million of them. The law requires each illegal to have a hearing before they can be deported. This would take many years. How can he possibly do it?
He claims he will build a wall on the Mexican border. He says he will make Mexico pay for it. Mexico laughs at that. How will he do it? The cost would be enormous.
He claims he will ban Muslims from entering the US. There is no legal way to do that.
He will not support NATO allies who don't pay their way. This will strain relationships that are important to our security. It will violate an agreement with many countries.
His tax plan would cost the country 3 trillion dollars, yet he won't explain how to cover that amouny.
He says a lot and you slurp it up, taking an habitual liar at his word. he is a guy who has built a fortune on lying and stealing from those who worked for him or invested with him. And you slurp it up.
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alloak,
Are you concerned with the practicality of the points keller has listed? You don't really think much of what Trump has stated is possible do you? Where are the details in the implementation of these ideas...they don't exist because Donald would never be able to make them happen.
Details do matter, and people of both parties should want to understand a candidate's plans to achieve what he or she states in speeches. Believe that.
Which came first, the idea of the Ford Mustang or the design of the ignition system? Administrators
lay out visions and broad ideas. They build a team to work out the details. See where we're headed
here?
alllloak,
Are you concerned with the practicality of the points keller has listed?
Actually no. I read very few, if any of his posts. If I wanted personal comments and snide
remarks I would have stayed married.
Which came first, the idea of the Ford Mustang or the design of the ignition system? Administrators
lay out visions and broad ideas. They build a team to work out the details. See where we're headed
here?
The ignition system, engines, suspension etc. all were designed before the Mustang. Some were used on other cars before the Mustang. So, your premise doesn't hold water.
alllloak,
Are you concerned with the practicality of the points keller has listed?
Actually no. I read very few, if any of his posts. If I wanted personal comments and snide
remarks I would have stayed married.
That's funny since you reply to most of my posts. As for snide remarks, you are the king of those. 😛
Saw an interesting observation today. Can you imagine the reaction by the Republicans if Obama (or any Democratic nominee) appeared on stage with his 5 children from 3 different wives?
The family values party. Lol.
David Duke running for the seat vacated by David Vitter (DC family values GOP Senator of prostitute fame). Both are outstanding choices for the folks from Louisiana.
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Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaulted and raped women and that is all good with the left.
You think Monica will escort Bill Clinton on stage at The DNC?
Yet you seem to be ok with the rape aligations against Trump. I'm definitely not voting for anybody who rapes a 13 year old.
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Why should I be outraged over another left-wing's lie?
It didn't happen but hey, when the liberals can float a lie and their corrupt media cronies roll with whatever they are told go for it.Bill Clinton actually did sexually assaulted and raped women and that seems fine with the liberals.
I'd like to know how you know it didn't happen? Do you follow Trump around witnessing his every move for the last several decades? Somebody hired by Trump to watch the girl stated that she witnessed it.
Saw an interesting observation today. Can you imagine the reaction by the Republicans if Obama (or any Democratic nominee) appeared on stage with his 5 children from 3 different wives?
The family values party. Lol.
David Duke running for the seat vacated by David Vitter (DC family values GOP Senator of prostitute fame). Both are outstanding choices for the folks from Louisiana.
_________________________________________________________________________
Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaulted and raped women and that is all good with the left.
You think Monica will escort Bill Clinton on stage at The DNC?
Yet you seem to be ok with the rape aligations against Trump. I'm definitely not voting for anybody who rapes a 13 year old.
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Why should I be outraged over another left-wing's lie?
It didn't happen but hey, when the liberals can float a lie and their corrupt media cronies roll with whatever they are told go for it.Bill Clinton actually did sexually assaulted and raped women and that seems fine with the liberals.
I'd like to know how you know it didn't happen? Do you follow Trump around witnessing his every move for the last several decades? Somebody hired by Trump to watch the girl stated that she witnessed it.
As a rich, powerful man engaged in a political campaign he is a prime target for false accusations. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt regarding the rape charges unless clear evidence in presented. I think there are enough other things to show he is unquestionably unqualified for the office of President.