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gondicar
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It isn't about right and left anymore, it is about right and wrong.

Graham to Trump backers: 'If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it'

Washington (CNN) - South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham urged Republicans backing Donald Trump to rescind their endorsements following the presumptive Republican nominee's comments about judges' ethnicity and religion.

"This is the most un-American thing from a politician since Joe McCarthy," Graham told The New York Times regarding Trump's comments.

"If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it," he added. "There'll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary" Clinton.

Full story: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump/index.html


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:04 am
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It isn't about right and left anymore, it is about right and wrong.

Graham to Trump backers: 'If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it'

Washington (CNN) - South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham urged Republicans backing Donald Trump to rescind their endorsements following the presumptive Republican nominee's comments about judges' ethnicity and religion.

"This is the most un-American thing from a politician since Joe McCarthy," Graham told The New York Times regarding Trump's comments.

"If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it," he added. "There'll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary" Clinton.

Full story: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump/index.html/blockquote >
I agree with Graham 100% on this. Someday the people who continue to support Trump will look back and realize that they were very wrong.


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:32 am
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Drumfp is using a teleprompter tonight....what a Loser. 😮


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 4:28 pm
OriginalGoober
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So much manufactured outrage over this. Has Lindsi Graham or Paul Ryan ever expressed any outrage over illegals commiting murder in San Francisco? The only off ramp i am looking for is the PC culture and obamas liberal agenda.


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 4:35 pm
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WOW, who is this guy?


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 5:09 pm
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Drumfp is using a teleprompter tonight....what a Loser. 😮

How many times has Donald criticized HC for using a teleprompter? Yet here he is doing the same - the epitome of hypocrisy. A teleprompter is probably the best thing for him because when he goes off script everyone knows he's going to say something bat $hit crazy. It's really not his fault because he just can't control himself.


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 5:17 pm
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Glad to see he is back on point talking about fixing America. It was a well delivered speech. I liked what i heard.


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 5:38 pm
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Glad to see he is back on point talking about fixing America. It was a well delivered speech. I liked what i heard.

OG no disrespect intended in this question, but im curious when you thought he went off-point?


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:16 pm
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Trump University is a huge distraction from the focus of campaign . Glad he didnt spend time explaining it again.


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:28 pm
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Trump University is a huge distraction from the focus of campaign . Glad he didnt spend time explaining it again.

fair enough.....thanks


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:30 pm
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Historic night for women happening..... Just wish it wasnt Hillary


 
Posted : June 7, 2016 6:33 pm
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Historic night for women happening..... Just wish it wasnt Hillary

And I wish I had a million dollars, but I don't so I guess I just have to deal with it. 😛


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 4:04 am
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So much manufactured outrage over this. Has Lindsi Graham or Paul Ryan ever expressed any outrage over illegals commiting murder in San Francisco? The only off ramp i am looking for is the PC culture and obamas liberal agenda.

So you condone Trump's racism. Cool.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 4:09 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 4:32 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Trump is playing the race card, and he owns it and by extension so do his supporters. What you don't seem to like is the reaction to the race card that Trump keeps playing. And the reaction is not just coming from the left, it is also coming from conservative stalwarts within the GOP, some of the very same people who constantly rail against political correctness because they know the difference and that this is not about being PC. And the reactions will keep coming as long as Trump keeps displaying racist behavior. Strategically, Trump will lose because he has no coherent policy positions other than "I'm building a wall and Mexico will pay for it" and even on that one he can't back it up with how that is going to happen, just that it will somehow happen. And you and others are getting sick of the reactions because you'd rather not have to own it yourself for supporting a candidate who keeps playing the race card in the most racist way possible on an almost daily basis.

[Edited on 6/8/2016 by gondicar]


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 5:14 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Should the judge in the Trump University case be recused because of his Hispanic heritage?


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 5:52 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Should the judge in the Trump University case be recused because of his Hispanic heritage?

The only way to find out would be for Trump's lawyers to file a motion, which of course they won't do because it is such a ridiculous notion.

Hey, I made a rhyme! Grin


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 6:27 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Trump is playing the race card, and he owns it and by extension so do his supporters. What you don't seem to like is the reaction to the race card that Trump keeps playing. And the reaction is not just coming from the left, it is also coming from conservative stalwarts within the GOP, some of the very same people who constantly rail against political correctness because they know the difference and that this is not about being PC. And the reactions will keep coming as long as Trump keeps displaying racist behavior. Strategically, Trump will lose because he has no coherent policy positions other than "I'm building a wall and Mexico will pay for it" and even on that one he can't back it up with how that is going to happen, just that it will somehow happen. And you and others are getting sick of the reactions because you'd rather not have to own it yourself for supporting a candidate who keeps playing the race card in the most racist way possible on an almost daily basis.

[Edited on 6/8/2016 by gondicar]

You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care. It's all just chatter from people I have little or no respect for and doesn't concern me one bit.

Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 7:13 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Should the judge in the Trump University case be recused because of his Hispanic heritage?

No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 7:17 am
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No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.

High pressure selling is not a crime. Fraud is. The verdict isn't in yet on what went on at Trump U. You should care about the case if you want to be an informed voter. If not the facts of the case then at least be interested in the behavior of the would-be-president defendant. His actions when faced with adversity are telling, no?


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 7:30 am
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Pretty obvious that's going to be the strategy used to defeat Trump. He's a racist. Go with that tactic and Hillary will lose. The race card has been so badly overplayed that the word racist doesn't even mean anything anymore. Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway.

Should the judge in the Trump University case be recused because of his Hispanic heritage?

No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.

In an interview, the Presidential candidate for your party infers that a judge is making unfair rulings against said candidate because the judge is "Mexican." You have no issue with that?

Or, maybe what it really is that just like George Bush or Sarah Palin, Republicans have absolutely no desire to hold their own candidates responsible for the things that actually come out of their mouths?

The Party of Personal Responsibility - It's Never Our Fault!


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 7:58 am
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.

So then, what card is he playing?

TAPPER: What does this have to do with his heritage?

TRUMP: I'll tell you what it has to do. I've had ruling after ruling after ruling that's been bad rulings, OK? I've been treated very unfairly. Before him, we had another judge. If that judge was still there, this case would have been over two years ago. Let me just tell you, I've had horrible rulings, I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics, the Mexicans --

TAPPER: So, no Mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you?

TRUMP: Well, he's a member of a society, where -- you know, very pro- Mexico, and that's fine. It's all fine but --

TAPPER: Except that you're calling into question his heritage.

TRUMP: I think he should recuse himself.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 8:01 am
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You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care.

Didn't seem like much of a stretch since your exact words were "Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway" but if you didn't mean to include yourself among "most people" and you are not sick to death of it then fine, I stand corrected.

Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.

Just this week there is U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel and everyone in the media and anyone else who is asking questions about what he said about Judge Curiel...this is a direct quote from Trump: "The people asking those questions - they are the racists."

First he says a well-respected judge is a racist who can't do his job because of it, and then he says reporters are racists for doing their jobs and asking him about it. Politics sure is a nutty thing these days.

[Edited on 6/8/2016 by gondicar]


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 8:36 am
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Who needs to attend a University when one can just donate to the global Clinton initiative, get hooked up with the right contacts, and have Bill and Hillary smooth out any issues? You want to mine uranium and need State Dept. Ok? No problem. Just pay a 500,000 tuition fee. Need to beef up your air defenses? Apply to take our mini course for only 750,000 (showing up is optional). How about some private tutoring? Slots are filling up fast. Gold bullion preferred.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 10:09 am
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No opinion. I don't care either way. Nor do I care about the case. Opinions vary all over the map on whether the courses offered were beneficial or not. And ff high pressure selling was a crime we'd need a
lot more prisons.

High pressure selling is not a crime. Fraud is. The verdict isn't in yet on what went on at Trump U. You should care about the case if you want to be an informed voter. If not the facts of the case then at least be interested in the behavior of the would-be-president defendant. His actions when faced with adversity are telling, no?

Not to mention that Trump is now being investigated under the RICO Act,which could involve a long jail sentence for Trump. But Trump supporters only seem to care about investigations against Hillary. Personally, I think neither Hillary or Donald will be convinced of anything, because rich people with good lawyers almost never go to jail, but I think Trump will be writing out a bunch of large checks for fraud in the Trump U case.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 10:42 am
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Who needs to attend a University when one can just donate to the global Clinton initiative, get hooked up with the right contacts, and have Bill and Hillary smooth out any issues? You want to mine uranium and need State Dept. Ok? No problem. Just pay a 500,000 tuition fee. Need to beef up your air defenses? Apply to take our mini course for only 750,000 (showing up is optional). How about some private tutoring? Slots are filling up fast. Gold bullion preferred.

Clever retort. What does any of it have to do with Donald Trump?


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 10:47 am
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/08/charles-koch-team-donald-trump-campaign-meeting-republican-president/85597102/

Trump's aides reached out to the network “a couple weeks ago,” said Steve Lombardo, Koch Industries’ top spokesman. Koch said Mark Holden, Koch Industries’ general counsel and chairman of the network’s umbrella group, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, would participate in the meeting.

The effort by Trump’s camp to court the Koch network represents a sharp reversal for the New York real-estate developer, who touted his ability to fund his own primary campaign and took to Twitter last August to mock five of his Republican rivals who flocked to a California seminar convened by Charles Koch and his brother David Koch.

“I wish good luck to all of the Republican candidates that traveled to California to beg for money etc. from the Koch Brothers,” Trump tweeted. “Puppets?”


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 12:32 pm
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10 colorful Donald Trump insults from Mitt Romney's speech...

On Trump's business record:

"But you say, 'Wait wait wait,' isn't he a huge business success? Doesn't he know what he's talking about? No he isn't. And know he doesn't. His bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who worked for them. He inherited his business, he didn't create it. And what ever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there's Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not."

On Trump's foreign policy credentials:

"Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart. I'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart."

On whether Trump has the temperament of a president:

"This is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity."

On how Trump recalls spending the Vietnam War years:

"There is dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War while at the same time John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured."

On Trump's "hallmark" quality:

"Dishonesty is Trump's hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He's not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as leader. His imagination must not be married to real power."

On his very specific plan to defeat Trump in the primary:

"Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I'd vote for Marco Rubio in Florida, for John Kasich in Ohio, and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state."

On Trump's less appealing "personal qualities":

"Think of Donald Trump's personal qualities, the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. We have long referred to him as 'The Donald.' He is the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name. And it wasn't because he had attributes we admired."

On what Romney thinks is the most ridiculous idea of the campaign season so far:

"What he said on '60 Minutes' about Syria and ISIS has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the campaign season: Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Think about that: Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over a country? This is recklessness in the extreme."

On what would happen if Trump released his tax returns and a tape of his off-the-record conversation with The New York Times:

"I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn't give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that: talk. ... If I'm right (that he won't release either), you will have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is, indeed, a phony."

On the value of a diploma from Trump University:

"Here's what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing the members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-donald-trump-harsh-quotes

[Edited on 3/3/2016 by gondicar]

Had he tried this hard to defeat Obama he might be running for re-election now. What a loser.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 6:22 pm
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Trump is NOT playing the race card. If you disagree, please provide a list of all the people he's accused of being racist.

So then, what card is he playing?

Beats the hell out of me. Ask gondicar.


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 6:27 pm
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You make a lot of assumptions here. What makes you think I'm sick of reactions? I don't even care.

Didn't seem like much of a stretch since your exact words were "Most people are sick to death of the race card, and the one's that aren't wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway" but if you didn't mean to include yourself among "most people" and you are not sick to death of it then fine, I stand corrected.

I gladly stand by my statement. I'd venture to say that most people are sick of the race card, grossly overplayed to the point where is means next to nothing at this point.

[Edited on 6/9/2016 by alloak41]


 
Posted : June 8, 2016 6:35 pm
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