I mean, it's ok, at least it ties into the city of Cleveland, and retains "dians" in the name. Just seems like a safe choice.
The "Dians" might've worked.Ā Gussy up the uniforms for some cross-dressing effect.Ā MBL's first non-binary franchise.Ā The times, they are-a changin'!Ā Ā
I suppose that is kinda neat but they are two totally different franchises. Didn't the Brewers start out in Seattle? And the Braves started out in Boston.
You should look up the players that played for the Braves in both Milwaukee and Atlanta, like Mathews and Aaron, maybe Spahn. I think Bob Eucker too. Maybe Boston & Milwaukee. Spahn & Sain. š Ā
I suppose that is kinda neat but they are two totally different franchises. Didn't the Brewers start out in Seattle? And the Braves started out in Boston.
You should look up the players that played for the Braves in both Milwaukee and Atlanta, like Mathews and Aaron, maybe Spahn. I think Bob Eucker too. Maybe Boston & Milwaukee. Spahn & Sain. š Ā
Yes, Spahnieās 1st few years were w/the Boston Braves, then his last couple years w/the Mets & Giants
looked up Eddie, he played in all 3 locales, Boston, Milwaukee Atlanta - his last year was w/Detroit in their 1968 pennant year - in much the same role Puljos now is w/LAD
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Mathews really wasn't any kind of good piece to the '68 Tiggers. I don't even know how much he played. Not much. He was on his last legs at that point. And Johnnie Sain was their pitching coach. I forgot about that.Ā
I have the whole '68 set of Tiggers cards. Took me a long time to get them all. Some are high numbers. Tough to find. I got nine of them autographed in person. Sadly, only two are still with us. Pat Dobson was the most difficult. He was the pitching coach for the Brewers when I got it. He was impressed that a kid would have his 1968 card. Nice guy.
I suppose that is kinda neat but they are two totally different franchises. Didn't the Brewers start out in Seattle? And the Braves started out in Boston.
You should look up the players that played for the Braves in both Milwaukee and Atlanta, like Mathews and Aaron, maybe Spahn. I think Bob Eucker too. Maybe Boston & Milwaukee. Spahn & Sain. š Ā
It was just a fun thing to do to celebrate the Braves return to Milwaukee. Teams move and fans don't always turn off their fandom. Remember, the Braves won 2 pennants and a Series with Aaron in Cream City, there were still Braves fans in southern WI. When Hank Aaron passed, I was surprised by all of my Georgia frends who wrote about him, I always considered him a WI sports hero but hadn't thought about how long he played in Atlanta too (he played minor league in Eau Claire and finished his career back in Milwaukee as a Brewer).
Teams move, the heritage is shared. Both the Mariners and the Brewers have worn Pilots throwbacks. The Orioles played their first season as the Milwaukee Brewers before moving to St Louis. The Twins and the Rangers started as the Senators, but the Nationals now play in DC (who started as the Expos).
Then there's the time the Royals wore Brewers jerseys, but that's another story...
Very cool Lee & porkchopbob - yeah Mathews must have looked at Sain, his longtime Braves teammate, & thought, I should be retired too - Eddie did get a couple of ABs vs Cards in WS - this great 1st-ballot HOFer, the only one to have played in all 3 Bravesā franchiseās cities
our pitching coach the previous year on the Soxā miracle ā67 pennant team also hailed from Sainās era, the great Sal āThe Barberā Maglie of Ebbetts Field Brklyn Dodgers fame in their halcyon āLords of Flatbushā heyday
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Itās as crucial today as it was 17 years ago today at Fenway - thatās when Tek & ARod had their fight - we should be able to handle Taillon & secure the series
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They talked about āinclusionā and āembracing diversityā in changing the name
How do you embrace diversity/inclusion by excluding a proud indigenous people from your franchise as its mascot/symbolĀ
seems to me the Indian nations & Native Americans are being kicked to the curb & sent down a political Trail of Tears - b/c they were considered offensive
Good conversation. I could talk baseball all day. Regarding Eddie Mathews, he only had three at bats in the '68 Series.Ā
Didn't know the Royals wore Brewers jerseys.
Regarding the Yanks / Red Sux, I loved the (I think) it was 2003 when Don Zimmer went after Pedro Martinez. That was hilarious. I can't stand Martinez but he didn't do anything to Zimmer.Ā
@stephen The arguments is that teams have appropriated native peoples' imagery and iconography in an offensive way (Wahoo is a ridiculous caricature). No one has said they are being excluded by changing the name - it's not like the Cleveland baseball team has been sending native peoples a check.
They talked about āinclusionā and āembracing diversityā in changing the name
How do you embrace diversity/inclusion by excluding a proud indigenous people from your franchise as its mascot/symbolĀ
seems to me the Indian nations & Native Americans are being kicked to the curb & sent down a political Trail of Tears - b/c they were considered offensive
Inclusion? Diversity? Give me a break
Can kids play cowboys and Indians anymore? Cops and robbers?
š¤itās a good disagreement - a ridiculous caricature to some, to others Chief Wahoo Was the Cleveland Indians - a smiling face that anyone would love (especially kids) promoting the Indians & baseball - the loud pounding of the drum in the bleachers as the team came to batā¦.
nowadays you could walk a little old lady across the street & someone would be offended by it
family roots are in Cleveland (dadās side), Ā was a Tribe fan when very young, itās why I & others feel the name change is for the birds
oh dear - yes I know, no offense to any birders out therešāļøĀ
George Brett and Hal McRae both wore No. 5 in the same Royals game.
Wow! I would sell my kids if I had any š for George's jersey. That's a cool story. Surprised I have never heard it. I have a blue Royals Cooperstown Collection jersey and I never, I mean never wear it. I'm afraid I will get something on it. I had Brett's name and his number 5 put on it. Only "bad" part is that I wanted their road jersey from the 70s with "Kansas City" printed. This one has Royals written in script like their white home unis. Still really cool.Ā
I don't know why I bought the darn thing if I won't wear it. š¤Ā
Back to the Indians, I had a very dear friend who I lost two years ago who was from Cleveland. He loved everything from Ohio. When the news broke that the Indians were changing their name my wife said to me, Mike is probably rolling over in his grave over this. Nothing about the Native American thing, he just grew up on the Indians.
He was actually at the 10 cent beer night debacle. He was probably 20 years old or something.
š¤itās a good disagreement - a ridiculous caricature to some, to others Chief Wahoo Was the Cleveland Indians - a smiling face that anyone would love (especially kids) promoting the Indians & baseball - the loud pounding of the drum in the bleachers as the team came to batā¦.
Minstrel shows and black face used to be normal. White people caricaturing and stereotyping other races used to be normal. Most white people were probably fine with Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's 50 years ago. But Wahoo is a Little Black Sambo painted red, which is not something "anyone" should love (especially kids). I'm not saying all native iconography should be removed from athletics, but it should at least be respectful. The Indians name is one thing, a grinning inhuman caricature representing a broad group of peoples is another.
The black Sambo connection to Chief Wahoo is a first for me - have never heard that b4
The Indians didnāt create that logo to be disrespectful to anyone or dump on Indian tribes in a racist manner - they created it to draw fans, not drive them away - there is zero connection between it & minstrel shows/black faces etc
The black Sambo connection to Chief Wahoo is a first for me - have never heard that b4
The Indians didnāt create that logo to be disrespectful to anyone or dump on Indian tribes in a racist manner - they created it to draw fans, not drive them away - there is zero connection between it & minstrel shows/black faces etc
Intentions are irrelevant. I'd wager Al Jolson and Mickey Rooney didn't intend to be disrespect either. Today we know better.
Oh, since we were talking about the Indians & Braves, where is the outrage against the Atlanta Braves?
Did this Milwaukee logo not offend people? I dunno...
Actually the Braves retired the Screaming Indian in 1989 after decades of complaints of it being a broad stereotyped caricature. They received a lot of backlash when they attempted to revive it a few years ago.
Oh, since we were talking about the Indians & Braves, where is the outrage against the Atlanta Braves?
Did this Milwaukee logo not offend people? I dunno...
Actually the Braves retired the Screaming Indian in 1989 after decades of complaints of it being a broad stereotyped caricature. They received a lot of backlash when they attempted to revive it a few years ago.
