Richard Pinedo?
Michael Cohen?
Roger Stone?
Why have these Russians been charged?
Dzheykhun Aslanov?
Gleb Vasilchenko?
Internet Research Agency LLC?
Irina Kaverzina?
Vladimir Venkov?
Anna Bogacheva?
Maria Bovda?
Robert Bovda?
Mikhail Burchik?
Mikhail Bystrov?
Aleksandra Krylova?
Vadim Podkopaev?
Sergey Polozov?
Yevgeny Prigozhin?
Concord Catering?
Concord Management and Consulting LLC?
Konstantin Kilimnik?
Dmitriy Badin?
Nikolay Kozachek?
Aleksey Lukashev?
Artem Malyshev?
Sergey Morgachev?
Viktor Netyksho?
Aleksey Potemkin?
Ivan Yermakov?
Pavel Yershov?
Aleksandr Osadchuk?
Anatoliy Kovalev?
[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Bhawk]
All that as a result of a nut-job conspiracy theory?
Now that's some theory.
Don't bother - the Russians are laughing at you.
I heard an interesting discussion today about the general in charge of our cyber security command and his attempt to garner more support, both financial and political, to beef up our cyber security efforts at not only thwarting continued Russian attempts to hack our elections, but also Russia's and other nations around the globe who attempt to steal American technology.
Part of the discussion of course centered on the utter lack of support from the current occupant of not only the White House, but his administration and many in Congress. Suffice it to say, anyone who questions the point of the Mueller investigation and ignores the real substance of what he and his staff uncovered regarding the Russian cyber efforts really is drinking the Trump cool aid....
Further, in this discussion it was mentioned that the reason Mueller could actually follow, track, determine, and secure evidence against the individual Russian agents who engaged in the cyber activity and ultimately indict them, is due to the technology and skill utilized by our Cyber security force and the NSA.
Finally, and what is most encouraging, is that many countries around the world can and do engage in cyber warfare. Very few, however, can actually track and reverse engineer the malware, worms, etc. that actually infiltrate computer systems. We already have such technology and the good general who is making the rounds on the Hill wants more funding in order to become an even more offensive cyber power. Mueller may yet be the person to finally get some in Congress to recognize the threat should he testify in the House.....
It seems to me that on a two year, $40 million dollar investigation, that uncovered the lengths to which the Russians have gone and continue to go to hack our democracy, is money well spent....
[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Chain]
I heard an interesting discussion today about the general in charge of our cyber security command and his attempt to garner more support, both financial and political, to beef up our cyber security efforts at not only thwarting continued Russian attempts to hack our elections, but also Russia's and other nations around the globe who attempt to steal American technology.
Part of the discussion of course centered on the utter lack of support from the current occupant of not only the White House, but his administration and many in Congress. Suffice it to say, anyone who questions the point of the Mueller investigation and ignores the real substance of what he and his staff uncovered regarding the Russian cyber efforts really is drinking the Trump cool aid....
Further, in this discussion it was mentioned that the reason Mueller could actually follow, track, determine, and secure evidence against the individual Russian agents who engaged in the cyber activity and ultimately indict them, is due to the technology and skill utilized by our Cyber security force and the NSA.
Finally, and what is most encouraging, is that many countries around the world can and do engage in cyber warfare. Very few, however, can actually track and reverse engineer the malware, worms, etc. that actually infiltrate computer systems. We already have such technology and the good general who is making the rounds on the Hill wants more funding in order to become an even more offensive cyber power. Mueller may yet be the person to finally get some in Congress to recognize the threat should he testify in the House.....
It seems to me that on a two year, $40 million dollar investigation, that uncovered the lengths to which the Russians have gone and continue to go to hack our democracy, is money well spent....
[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Chain]
Trump's unwillingness to go along with this stems from the fact that it would be an admission that Russia actually helped him. Lord knows his ego couldn't allow him to acknowledge something like that.
As far as moving forward - maybe he feels he can go the well a 2nd time. It worked the first time. Why mess up a good thing? No admission & no more funding.
I heard an interesting discussion today about the general in charge of our cyber security command and his attempt to garner more support, both financial and political, to beef up our cyber security efforts at not only thwarting continued Russian attempts to hack our elections, but also Russia's and other nations around the globe who attempt to steal American technology.
Part of the discussion of course centered on the utter lack of support from the current occupant of not only the White House, but his administration and many in Congress. Suffice it to say, anyone who questions the point of the Mueller investigation and ignores the real substance of what he and his staff uncovered regarding the Russian cyber efforts really is drinking the Trump cool aid....
Further, in this discussion it was mentioned that the reason Mueller could actually follow, track, determine, and secure evidence against the individual Russian agents who engaged in the cyber activity and ultimately indict them, is due to the technology and skill utilized by our Cyber security force and the NSA.
Finally, and what is most encouraging, is that many countries around the world can and do engage in cyber warfare. Very few, however, can actually track and reverse engineer the malware, worms, etc. that actually infiltrate computer systems. We already have such technology and the good general who is making the rounds on the Hill wants more funding in order to become an even more offensive cyber power. Mueller may yet be the person to finally get some in Congress to recognize the threat should he testify in the House.....
It seems to me that on a two year, $40 million dollar investigation, that uncovered the lengths to which the Russians have gone and continue to go to hack our democracy, is money well spent....
[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Chain]
Trump's unwillingness to go along with this stems from the fact that it would be an admission that Russia actually helped him. Lord knows his ego couldn't allow him to acknowledge something like that.
As far as moving forward - maybe he feels he can go the well a 2nd time. It worked the first time. Why mess up a good thing? No admission & no more funding.
Absolutely, I agree with everything above. However, I must ask how even Trump's congressional enablers can continue to ignore the threat and not demand action. it's not as if they can't appease dear leader and understand the threat from Russia at the same time.
Although even in this forum we see those who can't seem to uncouple their loyalty to Trump long enough to admit the Russian threat is real and needs to be addressed. It's as if it's an insult even to suggest the cyber attack is real.
Its disinenuous to say Trump is shutting down cyber investigations. I would think with the big increase in Defense spending thanks to President Trump cybersecurity will see more investment. I dont think anyone here believes that the Russians did not try to gain access but a two year investigation did not uncover any evidence. Who knows if Hillary was in office they could of blackmailed her after stealing all her private emails.
One thing we can agree on is:
1) Russia has been exposed.
2) Facebook has been exposed.
3) CNN and the Liberal MSM have been exposed.
4) The Deep State has been exposed (John Brennan)
I heard an interesting discussion today about the general in charge of our cyber security command and his attempt to garner more support, both financial and political, to beef up our cyber security efforts at not only thwarting continued Russian attempts to hack our elections, but also Russia's and other nations around the globe who attempt to steal American technology.
Part of the discussion of course centered on the utter lack of support from the current occupant of not only the White House, but his administration and many in Congress. Suffice it to say, anyone who questions the point of the Mueller investigation and ignores the real substance of what he and his staff uncovered regarding the Russian cyber efforts really is drinking the Trump cool aid....
Further, in this discussion it was mentioned that the reason Mueller could actually follow, track, determine, and secure evidence against the individual Russian agents who engaged in the cyber activity and ultimately indict them, is due to the technology and skill utilized by our Cyber security force and the NSA.
Finally, and what is most encouraging, is that many countries around the world can and do engage in cyber warfare. Very few, however, can actually track and reverse engineer the malware, worms, etc. that actually infiltrate computer systems. We already have such technology and the good general who is making the rounds on the Hill wants more funding in order to become an even more offensive cyber power. Mueller may yet be the person to finally get some in Congress to recognize the threat should he testify in the House.....
It seems to me that on a two year, $40 million dollar investigation, that uncovered the lengths to which the Russians have gone and continue to go to hack our democracy, is money well spent....
[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Chain]
Trump's unwillingness to go along with this stems from the fact that it would be an admission that Russia actually helped him. Lord knows his ego couldn't allow him to acknowledge something like that.
As far as moving forward - maybe he feels he can go the well a 2nd time. It worked the first time. Why mess up a good thing? No admission & no more funding.
Absolutely, I agree with everything above. However, I must ask how even Trump's congressional enablers can continue to ignore the threat and not demand action. it's not as if they can't appease dear leader and understand the threat from Russia at the same time.
I truly think they're putting their own re-elections over everything else. Once their seat...always their seat. They're chicken $hit scared of Trump and his twitter followers. I just think it's their calculus that their seats & fear of Trump & his base are greater than the sacrifice of standing up for our own democracy. I have zero respect for these types. They need to start standing up for America instead of giving tepid acknowledgement of Russian actions yet do very little about it...especially calling out Trump for his coziness and actions with, towards, and for Russia.
Unfortunately in my pessimistic view I dont see the democrats doing anything for the good of the country from now until Nov 2o2o. They will not allow President Trump to take credit for anything positive. If they had the power the DNC may even try to trigger a recession in order to ensure a DNC win.
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One thing we can agree on is:
1) Russia has been exposed.
2) Facebook has been exposed.
3) CNN and the Liberal MSM have been exposed.
4) The Deep State has been exposed (John Brennan)
I agree with everything you've posted so far, even the one about the Democrats going down the wrong path. But, there's no way someone as chatty as Brennan would be part of the Deep State. He doesn't seem to have what it takes in that regard. And you're right about #3. They are exposed for being nothing more than supermarket tabloids, right next to Fox News.
Unfortunately in my pessimistic view I dont see the democrats doing anything for the good of the country from now until Nov 2o2o. They will not allow President Trump to take credit for anything positive. If they had the power the DNC may even try to trigger a recession in order to ensure a DNC win.
So, tell us. How does an organization headed by Howard Dean trigger a recession?
I dont think anyone here believes that the Russians did not try to gain access but a two year investigation did not uncover any evidence.
Then why did Mueller file charges against 22 Russians?
Maybe because the whole investigation was a charade to reinforce the illusion that this isn't the USSA?
Its disinenuous to say Trump is shutting down cyber investigations. I would think with the big increase in Defense spending thanks to President Trump cybersecurity will see more investment. I dont think anyone here believes that the Russians did not try to gain access but a two year investigation did not uncover any evidence. Who knows if Hillary was in office they could of blackmailed her after stealing all her private emails.
That's the point, the Mueller investigation DID UNCOVER proof of Russian hacks! Comrade in Arms Trump may deny it all he wishes, but just as our intelligence services claimed, Mueller uncovered plenty of evidence that the Russians did engage in an act of war.
Undying support for Trump can and is mutually exclusive from the Russian effort to secure his election...Why the f*ck Trump supporters can't admit this is beyond me.
Its disinenuous to say Trump is shutting down cyber investigations. I would think with the big increase in Defense spending thanks to President Trump cybersecurity will see more investment. I dont think anyone here believes that the Russians did not try to gain access but a two year investigation did not uncover any evidence. Who knows if Hillary was in office they could of blackmailed her after stealing all her private emails.
That's the point, the Mueller investigation DID UNCOVER proof of Russian hacks! Comrade in Arms Trump may deny it all he wishes, but just as our intelligence services claimed, Mueller uncovered plenty of evidence that the Russians did engage in an act of war.
Undying support for Trump can and is mutually exclusive from the Russian effort to secure his election...Why the f*ck Trump supporters can't admit this is beyond me.
We have a much bigger problem if you are saying voters can get swayed by internet memes and conspiracy sites. Your candidate was the wrong choice and stunningly lost all by herself. Cuddling up with a Russian conspiracy pillow cant change that fact.
Trump unloaded on Hannity tonite -a full hour... His administration will be looking at anyone who knowingly advanced the false narrative and the dossier and make sure the penalties will be so severe that no one will attempt this kind of orchestrated baseless attack to derail a Presidential candidate and ultimately the sitting President. Lindsey Graham will be key in this planned investigation as head of the judiciary committee. This should be done in a very thorough and nonpartisan way.
Trump committed to strengthening the voting infrastructure to prevent foreign influences. He favors paper ballots.
Trump unloaded on Hannity tonite -a full hour... His administration will be looking at anyone who knowingly advanced the false narrative and the dossier and make sure the penalties will be so severe that no one will attempt this kind of orchestrated baseless attack to derail a Presidential candidate and ultimately the sitting President. Lindsey Graham will be key in this planned investigation as head of the judiciary committee. This should be done in a very thorough and nonpartisan way.
Trump committed to strengthening the voting infrastructure to prevent foreign influences. He favors paper ballots.
Maybe they can look at things retroactively with false aligations of related to birth certificates, tapping phones in Trump Tower, and Uranium One. Or is he only in favor of investigating issues involving him?
Trump is such a thin skinked, embarrasment.
Trump unloaded on Hannity tonite -a full hour... His administration will be looking at anyone who knowingly advanced the false narrative and the dossier and make sure the penalties will be so severe that no one will attempt this kind of orchestrated baseless attack to derail a Presidential candidate and ultimately the sitting President. Lindsey Graham will be key in this planned investigation as head of the judiciary committee. This should be done in a very thorough and nonpartisan way.
Trump committed to strengthening the voting infrastructure to prevent foreign influences. He favors paper ballots.
What a joke.
#1 It was Lindsey Graham who advised McCain to turn the dossier over to the FBI. Graham has gone from a Never Trumper to being Trump's towel boy. McCain would turn over in his grave if he knew the transformation Graham has taken.
#2 The investigation into Trump, his association with Russians, and that of the corruption of his inner circle is far from baseless. Look at those in jail or slated. This is America; not Russia nor North Korea where Trump would be more at home ruling as some dictator. He truly doesn't understand the concept of separation of powers and doesn't know what the roles of gov't agencies are supposed to be & do. We'll see what happens when Mueller's report is seen & not reported on 2nd hand. Also he will no doubt testify before Congress, and we'll see if Barr's "Book Report" accurately reflects what Mueller reported in the "unreleased" report.
However, I must ask how even Trump's congressional enablers can continue to ignore the threat and not demand action. it's not as if they can't appease dear leader and understand the threat from Russia at the same time.
The GOP enablers aren't going to acknowledge the threat. The Dems aren't doing anything except hoping criminal charges will be brought against more of the Exec inner circle as if that will be useful to governing.
The ONLY good thing going on right now is IF the Mueller report is being circulated to the appropriate agencies to identify & redact classified information as McConnell claims, that means the agencies see the actual report & any info that may indicate specifics as to HOW the cyber attacks happened & how to stop/prevent them. They don't need permission to do their job. However, they do need funding & some of that may be re-directed to the "national emergency."
Wouldn't it be nice if members of both parties went to big donors who said "Nope. Tap is turned off until you insure that my $$ isn't going to be spent on a campaign/election that won't be co-opted by a foreign government."
I truly hope Trump launches multiple investigations into the corrupt Dems and the corrupt FBI. He'll look like a complete idiot after it nets nothing compared to what Mueller just netted.
Wouldn't it be nice if members of both parties went to big donors who said "Nope. Tap is turned off until you insure that my $$ isn't going to be spent on a campaign/election that won't be co-opted by a foreign government."
Patriotism? Dude. We're talking about making money here. What's patriotism got to do with cash flow?
We have a much bigger problem if you are saying voters can get swayed by internet memes and conspiracy sites.
We have people in our society who eat detergent pods.
I personally know three people that believed the Pizzagate theory. As a matter of fact, they still do.
And then there's Florida.
Patriotism? Dude. We're talking about making money here. What's patriotism got to do with cash flow?
I was thinking less about patriotism than return on investment. If someone's tinkering, the odds change.
Its a drag to admit it but Mule and Goob were right, i was wrong. 😉 
Trump unloaded on Hannity tonite -a full hour... His administration will be looking at anyone who knowingly advanced the false narrative and the dossier and make sure the penalties will be so severe that no one will attempt this kind of orchestrated baseless attack to derail a Presidential candidate and ultimately the sitting President. Lindsey Graham will be key in this planned investigation as head of the judiciary committee. This should be done in a very thorough and nonpartisan way.
Trump committed to strengthening the voting infrastructure to prevent foreign influences. He favors paper ballots.
What a joke.
#1 It was Lindsey Graham who advised McCain to turn the dossier over to the FBI. Graham has gone from a Never Trumper to being Trump's towel boy. McCain would turn over in his grave if he knew the transformation Graham has taken.
Lindsey is quite the political animal..... I do think its genuine like hes been converted since the Cavaniauwe smear hearings.
