The Middle East Dumpster fire rages on

Iran GOOD....USA bad
That's one way to read it I guess. I think Iran sucks. I just figured throw em a little recognition for an unusual and creditworthy response. Apparently some folks feel that finding merit in an adversary is a blanket statement of support. And that saying so is a condemnation of our side. A cozy black and white reality.
[Edited on 1/13/2020 by BrerRabbit]

Health care is a priority in every presidential election
Nope, Health Care is a "Priority" in the debates and that is where it stops.
For Republican administrations yes.....Unless you consider that they basically attack Medicare and Medicaid the minute they occupy the White House and/or take over leadership positions in Congress. They sure as hell haven't offered any true reform and improvement to our healthcare system only slash and burn.
Whereas whether right or wrong the past two Democratic administrations attempted actual meaningful reform. Clinton with his failed attempt and Obama with the ACA legislation.
I think the term "Reform" is a code-word for getting away with taking minimal action.....Most things that are tagged with that phrase need a total dismantling and rebuild from the ground up....For example: "Education reform"....we need to take a serious look at what is offered in schools, what is no longer useful and what should take its place. With everyone on the Continent armed with an i-phone, how important is Algebra?..Maybe 2nd and 3rd languages should replace that. Civics should return...and so on....

Speaking of dumpster fires @BillGraham looks like you should change thread title "Health care dumpster fire rages on".

Interesting twist with Iran admitting, apologizing, and offering reparation for the airliner downing SNAFU. Took the whole world by surprise - what, huh, honesty, responsibility, humility? WTF???
Iran GOOD....USA bad
What about Russia?

Speaking of dumpster fires @BillGraham looks like you should change thread title "Health care dumpster fire rages on".
No biggie, As long as there is interesting dialog I don't mind if the conversation goes in different directions.
Besides we live in a big dumpster fire these days don't we?
[Edited on 1/13/2020 by Bill_Graham]

haha yeah it's all the same damn thread really

Apparently some folks feel that finding merit in an adversary is a blanket statement of support. And that saying so is a condemnation of our side.
This. With rare exceptions, there's credibility to be gained for recognizing that someone to whom we're generally opposed can do something appropriate or even good when it's out of character. It costs us nothing to be objective & it elevates the conversation. It's the non-stop blind rage or blind devotion to a person or a cause that creates & fuels hate.

. . .non-stop blind rage or blind devotion to a person or a cause . . .
Which is one of the main things we find freakish and detestable in Iran's fanatic government - yet we are seeing the same behavior more and more right here. Extreme hardline religious conservatism, lockstep mob support of figureheads. We are becoming that which we fear most.

Interesting twist with Iran admitting, apologizing, and offering reparation for the airliner downing SNAFU. Took the whole world by surprise - what, huh, honesty, responsibility, humility? WTF???
Iran GOOD....USA bad
What about Russia?
Russia BAD...USA Worse

Iran GOOD....USA bad
Russia BAD...USA Worse
Nobody wants to fight and attack Americans as much as Trump and his supporters, but go ahead and project this onto one guy on the Allman Brothers website.
USA intel agencies wrong on Russia and = deep state but conventiently good and the best in the world when intel used to justify taking out Iranian bad guy.

Interesting twist with Iran admitting, apologizing, and offering reparation for the airliner downing SNAFU. Took the whole world by surprise - what, huh, honesty, responsibility, humility? WTF???
Iran GOOD....USA bad
What about Russia?
Russia BAD...USA Worse
Well pack up your rubles and potato vodka. I'm sure they'd love you there.

USA intel agencies wrong on Russia and = deep state but conventiently good and the best in the world when intel used to justify taking out Iranian bad guy.
Yeah funny how that works isn't it? Kind of like that "spiritual" base of his that only follows the parts of the bible that tell them to cast stones.
[Edited on 1/13/2020 by lukester420]

"I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job." Trump to Russian Foreign Minister
He is a ruckin fussian.

Interesting twist with Iran admitting, apologizing, and offering reparation for the airliner downing SNAFU. Took the whole world by surprise - what, huh, honesty, responsibility, humility? WTF???
Iran GOOD....USA bad
What about Russia?
Russia BAD...USA Worse
Well pack up your rubles and potato vodka. I'm sure they'd love you there.
Funny, I was, in all sincerity, wishing the best for you in your travels to Moscow. Trump isn't the Leader there.

Funny, I was, in all sincerity, wishing the best for you in your travels to Moscow. Trump isn't the Leader there.
No, but his sugar daddy Putin is.

Funny, I was, in all sincerity, wishing the best for you in your travels to Moscow. Trump isn't the Leader there.
No, but his sugar daddy Putin is.
Well, then....just flip a coin.
Good Luck

You can't project the love for Russia onto the left bro, c'mon, that's just proposterous.
Seriously - wtf is up with Russia, it has been nothing but Russia Russia Russia since the Redhats took over. Gotta be something going on there. Suddenly Russia is in our face ALL THE TIME.

You can't project the love for Russia onto the left bro, c'mon, that's just proposterous.
Seriously - wtf is up with Russia, it has been nothing but Russia Russia Russia since the Redhats took over. Gotta be something going on there. Suddenly Russia is in our face ALL THE TIME.
This will probably end up with it's own thread, but here is today's Russia news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-spies-hacked-ukrainian-gas-company-at-heart-of-trump-impeachment-trial/2020/01/13/db50b2b0-366c-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

You can't project the love for Russia onto the left bro, c'mon, that's just proposterous.
Seriously - wtf is up with Russia, it has been nothing but Russia Russia Russia since the Redhats took over. Gotta be something going on there. Suddenly Russia is in our face ALL THE TIME.
This will probably end up with it's own thread, but here is today's Russia news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-spies-hacked-ukrainian-gas-company-at-heart-of-trump-impeachment-trial/2020/01/13/db50b2b0-366c-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html
Yep. I saw that previously. How coincidental.
Next we'll here the orange guy say, "I don't know why it would be Russia", or "It's just a big hoax", or "Nobody is tougher on Russia than Trump".

Seriously - wtf is up with Russia, it has been nothing but Russia Russia Russia since the Redhats took over. Gotta be something going on there. Suddenly Russia is in our face ALL THE TIME.
This will probably end up with it's own thread, but here is today's Russia news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-spies-hacked-ukrainian-gas-company-at-heart-of-trump-impeachment-trial/2020/01/13/db50b2b0-366c-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html
Suddenly, Russia is in our ELECTIONS all the time. Using the same method as they did in 2016 to hack for email against Trump's political rival, Russia started hacking Burisma for info on the 2020 rival Biden in November (when impeachment talk was heating up.) So, did Putin step in because the Ukrainians refused? or because his "asset" looked weak? How much more obvious can it be that Russia is meddling in US elections whenever Trump is the presumptive nominee?

Just another instance of treason by our President, and the right doesn’t care one bit.
I bet a lot of em are in on it.
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