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alloak41
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After Obama victories, many posters here were not shy about telling us the Republicans had better learn their lesson! One by one, they stepped to offer a lot of advice on what the GOP should do if they ever wanted to win another election.

That was then and this is now. So...what lessons should the Democrats learn from this, and what political advice do you have to offer them?

[Edited on 11/10/2016 by alloak41]


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 10:01 am
BoytonBrother
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show me your response when you were asked that question, and if you gave an honest answer, I'll gladly do the same.


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 10:33 am
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Counting some blessings here:

First off, it is great that Trump wrangled the Republican Party back toward the center, they were really drifting off into ultracon lala land. In some ways, Clinton is more square than Trump.
We may be looking at a mega-cycle where the parties are slowly starting to switch roles again.

Trump does not support government mandated vaccination. Hillary was a vaccinazi.

The Obama-Clinton Monsanto bloc has been shaken up a little. Time to get rid of some of these Monsanto Dems who rode roughshod over states' rights in the recent GMO crimes.

Trump is open to re-examining 9-11.

The Democrats have been acting like Nazis for quite a while now, high time for the Republicans to show they are any better.

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Posted : November 10, 2016 10:41 am
OriginalGoober
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Global warming is not the biggest threat to America
Neither are gender issues
Stop whining now about the results
Get in a van and travel outside of Washington DC suburbs and meet the remaining working class people who haven't abandoned your party yet.
Just because the media agrees with you doesn't mean squat
Illegal means illegal
Freedom-Prosperity-Opportunity is better than Affirmative action - endless food stamps and welfare- Government mandates like obamacare
Rigging elections to favor outcome of one candidate over another will not be tolerated
Nominating a crook is bad
Debbie WS should be removed from office or censured
Bernie Sanders needs to speak out about how he was conned and stop pretending he is fine with all of the efforts to "grind him too a pulp" per Wikileaks disclosures.
Pledge no more debate cheating will be tolerated and will result in immediate removal
Establish a code of ethics barring any person/or charity with ties to said person running from office from accepting money from foreign governments
Any person under indictment from FBi or other law enforcement agencies shall forfeit their right to run for office until investigation is resolved.
Any person served with a subpoena shall fully comply or forfeit their right to run for any office
Any person caught lying under oath will be immediately declared unfit to run for office
Any person who seeks to utilize their office to influence either private or other government agencies to willfully obtain information otherwise not readily available without specific authorization shall be removed from office and declared unfit to run for any office.
Any person caught willfully destroying evidence deemed important to investigation shall forfeit their right to run for office and will be immediately removed from current office.

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Posted : November 10, 2016 11:54 am
BoytonBrother
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If I'm to follow our new leader, cross party lines and agree to work together as a team, then let me begin right now. We have got to do something about these Trump supporters, ok? A lot of people are saying that Trump supporters are all scum bags, have low IQ's, and trailer park trash that mooch off the system. Believe me, I'm talking to people who tell me this is going on all over the place. If I see a Trump supporter and he starts yelling things at me, I would hope someone knocks him right out. Maybe those gun enthusiasts can't do one better, huh guys? They should be quarantined on an island and then let me bomb the sh*t out of them. Quarantine! Quarantine! C'mon say it with me guys, Quarantine!


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 12:33 pm
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A few take aways from is election:

Morals no longer matter in America, so don't think that you are automatically going to win the election just because your opponent is the biggest ass on the planet.

Lying doesn't matter. Fact check sites don't matter. If you can label your opponent a lier first (and give them a catchy nickname), you can lie all you like and nobody cares.

If you can get a foreign country and the FBI director to help you pull off an October surprise, that will help immensely.

I've always thought a moderate Republican could win, and take away Trump's extreme views, much of his core beliefs are more moderate than conservative. I mean just 8 years ago he was a huge Clinton supporter, I just thought someone with such extreme views couldn't win. I was wrong.

Unfortunately I think the Democratic party is going to shift more to the left. If that happens I'm going to start to feel homeless, as the Republican party shifted to the right and left me behind. Not sure where I go from here.

I will say this. I hope that the Democrats don't't try to obstruct every single thing like the Republicans did for the last 8 years just for the sake of obstructing. There is certainly some common ground to be found should both sides work together. It would be nice to see both parties work for the good of the American people instead of being selfish children.


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 1:21 pm
OriginalGoober
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If I'm to follow our new leader, cross party lines and agree to work together as a team, then let me begin right now. We have got to do something about these Trump supporters, ok? A lot of people are saying that Trump supporters are all scum bags, have low IQ's, and trailer park trash that mooch off the system. Believe me, I'm talking to people who tell me this is going on all over the place. If I see a Trump supporter and he starts yelling things at me, I would hope someone knocks him right out. Maybe those gun enthusiasts can't do one better, huh guys? They should be quarantined on an island and then let me bomb the sh*t out of them. Quarantine! Quarantine! C'mon say it with me guys, Quarantine!

I know its going to be a hard transition, but if you are prepared help out your neighbors face reality.

WOW! Obama Staffers Seen CRYING As Obama Congratulates President-Elect TRUMP on Historic Win


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 4:35 pm
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I was thinking about today how Michelle Obama and later Hillary used the saying "when they go low, we go high"...maybe instead they should've fought fire with fire. I guess a Democrat wouldn't want to stoop to Trump's level with regard to insults, half truths and mocking behavior...and maybe it wouldn't have mattered. But "going high" didn't work. Like it seemed there was a new Trump controversy almost weekly, and often it seemed the Clinton camp just let it stew hoping it would boil over on it's own rather than coming out and really stoking the flames. Let him hang himself right? But in hindsight maybe they should've gone low and twisted that knife rather than hoping he would bleed out on his own.

Makes me wonder what we are in store for from this point forward in US elections. Maybe next time it will be a shit show on both sides?

2112 summed things up well.

I think that Bernie hit a nerve and when Hillary tried to pick it up and run with it the connection was lost. Next time, be genuine and be believable. Obama was both, Hillary was neither. Don't promote a establishment candidate in a change election cycle.


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 6:01 pm
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WOW! Obama Staffers Seen CRYING As Obama Congratulates President-Elect TRUMP on Historic Win

People get really invested in this. And the kind of person Trump has appeared to be makes it worse for them.

I think that Obama has been nothing but gracious and professional to the highest degree. Not that I expected different, but to see it play out...you know it is difficult for him. While it is difficult for many to accept, the President is setting the example.


 
Posted : November 10, 2016 6:06 pm
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Something I just realized today, is that maybe Trump will bring more internal peace to this country. I'm ok with Trump being President. I never worried that he would actually do what he said he was going to do. I worried that so many people loved the ideas. I believe Trump will be a moderate President. We will never hear him mention anything about building a wall, or banning Muslims, because President Trump will be different than campaigning Trump. As for the peace he will bring, I'm just looking forward to not seeing my family and friends frown, curse, and blame the government for their unhappiness. It was difficult to be around for the past 8 years. Obama did this, Obama did that, he's a socialist, blood on his hands, he's ruining everything, wah wah wah. Talk about Debbie Downers. I learned a very valuable lesson, and that's the lesson of what not to do.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 6:57 am
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I concur BB

as a 55 yr old white male business owner with no children, there is nothing Trump can do that will hurt me. I will continue to have empathy for those less fortunate.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 7:11 am
OriginalGoober
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Something I just realized today, is that maybe Trump will bring more internal peace to this country. I'm ok with Trump being President. I never worried that he would actually do what he said he was going to do. I worried that so many people loved the ideas. I believe Trump will be a moderate President. We will never hear him mention anything about building a wall, or banning Muslims, because President Trump will be different than campaigning Trump. As for the peace he will bring, I'm just looking forward to not seeing my family and friends frown, curse, and blame the government for their unhappiness. It was difficult to be around for the past 8 years. Obama did this, Obama did that, he's a socialist, blood on his hands, he's ruining everything, wah wah wah. Talk about Debbie Downers. I learned a very valuable lesson, and that's the lesson of what not to do.

Its time for a little self-reflection exercise, boykin. Ask yourself how or why the same people that voted Obama into office in 2008 and 2012 abandoned the democrat party and voted Trump. You cant believe that it was because of what you want to believe as a "racisit" homecoming, do you?


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 8:33 am
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Something I just realized today, is that maybe Trump will bring more internal peace to this country. I'm ok with Trump being President. I never worried that he would actually do what he said he was going to do. I worried that so many people loved the ideas. I believe Trump will be a moderate President. We will never hear him mention anything about building a wall, or banning Muslims, because President Trump will be different than campaigning Trump. As for the peace he will bring, I'm just looking forward to not seeing my family and friends frown, curse, and blame the government for their unhappiness. It was difficult to be around for the past 8 years. Obama did this, Obama did that, he's a socialist, blood on his hands, he's ruining everything, wah wah wah. Talk about Debbie Downers. I learned a very valuable lesson, and that's the lesson of what not to do.

Its time for a little self-reflection exercise, boykin. Ask yourself how or why the same people that voted Obama into office in 2008 and 2012 abandoned the democrat party and voted Trump. You cant believe that it was because of what you want to believe as a "racisit" homecoming, do you?

People are not frozen in time. They respond to stimuli and Trump agitated existing tensions by claiming people's despair could be attributed to immigrants and foreigners. This is not a new phenomenon. It is happening in Northern Europe where prior super liberals are turning over night into racists.

A better example here is to compare the political strategies of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, who were trying to appeal to the same population. It is certainly true that there are poor disenfranchised whites whose plight has for the most part been ignored. But Trump mobilized this group with racist rhetoric and other forms of divisive tactics, while Sanders for the most part did not. The obvious winner is Donald Trump. Clinton, as we have seen, was very vulnerable in this area, but Sanders did not capitalize on it.

People are angry about their lives and that their children have no real futures. To give them a real explanation as to all the forces responsible for their economic condition takes work and time. It is simpler to take the lazy route and just shout racist invectives.

It is now President Trump's responsibility to defuse the tensions that he lit up during his campaign.

The Democrats are not blameless here either. But Hillary is not president. With power comes responsibility.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 9:43 am
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Nominating a crook is bad

Any person who seeks to utilize their office to influence either private or other government agencies to willfully obtain information otherwise not readily available without specific authorization shall be removed from office and declared unfit to run for any office.

Maybe your buddy should look in the mirror. Energy Transfer Partners...? Ring a bell?


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 10:32 am
JimSheridan
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I'm told Trump actually received fewer votes in this election than Romney got in 2012.

Hillary got the popular vote, right?

These suggest that Trump is not some unstoppable juggernaut.

My advice to the Dems:

Don't run such an unpopular candidate. Even if you think it's not fair, Hillary has been wildly disliked for years. She had plenty of baggage. Run someone less weighed down.

If popular sentiment holds, run a change candidate. Be sure you have someone whose passion is infectious.

Run someone with a sense of decency. Many Americans will be tired of Trump' s lack of it.

Have a message.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 3:39 pm
nebish
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My advice to the Dems:

Don't run such an unpopular candidate. Even if you think it's not fair, Hillary has been wildly disliked for years. She had plenty of baggage. Run someone less weighed down.

If popular sentiment holds, run a change candidate. Be sure you have someone whose passion is infectious.

Run someone with a sense of decency. Many Americans will be tired of Trump' s lack of it.

Have a message.

Sounds like Elizabeth Warren. Bernie's message in a "new" national candidate. Without knowing what Trump's first term will look like it's hard to say, but considering what we know to date from the campaign trail, she could take him to task. Many wanted her to run this cycle, but seemed as if she stepped aside to allow Hillary her run? She'll have bunches of passion and the left will be wild with enthusiasm and she may appeal to more to the masses than Hillary.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 3:48 pm
JimSheridan
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Yes, I think Elizabeth Warren would be a very popular choice. She fits the bill exactly.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 5:43 pm
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Hillary Clinton’s corruption, crimes and habitual lying along with her empty resume did her in.
DWS and Brazile’s corruption and elitist attitudes coupled with their engaging subcontractors to run voter fraud and violence did them in.

Donald Trump’s message of economic growth, real jobs, controlled immigration and national security were very appealing to the working class who have been completely ignored and abused for the last eight years.

Donald Trump has a proven record of leadership. The Democrats offered no real solutions to the problem the people were suffering under for years.

The Democrats led by Obama and Hillary Clinton kept telling the American People they were racists and conducting a war on women. They insulted the American People with those lies. It didn’t seem to dawn on them that they were talking down to the people they wanted to vote for them.

The Democrats defeat was self-inflicted.


 
Posted : November 11, 2016 7:22 pm
alloak41
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show me your response when you were asked that question, and if you gave an honest answer, I'll gladly do the same.

SELL LIBERALISM for a change! Point out it's successes, it's successful policies and explain why. Explain why they're the better choice and point out examples. I don't need a political party (or it's participants) telling me who hates who. I'm not interested in hearing mental health appraisals of those who might not agree with them. Nor am I interested in their opinion of the intelligence level of others.

Stop the fixation on race, race, race. Stop the identity politics. Stop aligning with groups like BLM. Get more in step with issues people really care about. Stop forcing diversity, sexual deviance, and political correctness down people's throats.

If they spent half the time selling their policy ideas than pointing out how much their opponents suck as human beings they might win more elections.

None of this is likely to change, however. We know this because nothing is EVER their fault. Election losses are NEVER tied to their own behavior and/or job performance. Rather it's blamed on voters being mean and stupid, being racists and bigots, uniformed, mentally unstable, "scared and confused," unhinged, hayseeds, brainwashed, too many excuses to hardly scratch the surface....

They will probably just continue to double down, and many of us are grateful for that.

[Edited on 11/16/2016 by alloak41]


 
Posted : November 15, 2016 10:38 pm
OriginalGoober
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If they don't get their way, they are famous for changing the law. Abolishing the electoral college is in the works with a Boxer bill.


 
Posted : November 16, 2016 9:57 am
BoytonBrother
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Wah wah, get over it already.


 
Posted : November 16, 2016 9:59 am
Muleman1994
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If they don't get their way, they are famous for changing the law. Abolishing the electoral college is in the works with a Boxer bill.

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That would be the very soon to be former Senator Boxer.

Her bill doesn't have a chance. It would take a Constitutional Amendment to alter in any way the Constitution's mandate of the Electoral College.


 
Posted : November 16, 2016 10:29 am
BrerRabbit
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I'm just looking forward to not seeing my family and friends frown, curse, and blame the government for their unhappiness.

Same here. And refreshing not to have everything in the world be Obama's fault for a change!


 
Posted : November 17, 2016 11:52 am
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