Sleeve rolled up - arm stuck out. I'm gettin' tired of living in a box!
I've read several articles on the vaccine and I still don't understand what 90% effective means. Does it mean 90% of those vaccinated didn't get Covid, because that doesn't sound very effective at all? Does it mean 90% more effective than the placebo? I'd need to see the raw data. Were they deliberately exposed to Covid? I'm just not going to get excited until I see more.
I'm not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV. But I don't think a 100% effective vaccine is even possible. And, no - I don't fully understand what "90% effective" means. On those TV ad's for drugs - listen and read the fine print. Any/every medicine or vaccine has some chance of side effects. From where I sit - 90% sounds like some pretty good Las Vegas odds. I'm 63 1/2 years old - in pretty good physical health. I'd volunteer to be a Guinea Pig if they need one from my demographic. Between now and then I'm the masked man ... the spaced (6') man.
I've read several articles on the vaccine and I still don't understand what 90% effective means. Does it mean 90% of those vaccinated didn't get Covid, because that doesn't sound very effective at all? Does it mean 90% more effective than the placebo? I'd need to see the raw data. Were they deliberately exposed to Covid? I'm just not going to get excited until I see more.
Possibly Dr. Trump can address your question and same for Rusty. Hopefully you catch him during the increase in Covid cases in between his presidential duties in these last 70 some days of firing people that didn't lick his shoes & hitting the golf course (example - both last Saturday & Sunday). It's a good thing as he says on Covid, "we rounding the turn".
"Dr. Trump"? Puhleeeaze! I'm leaving politics outta this!
By all means - make sure it's safe. But we need this - as a society, as a nation - as a planet ASAP. And I don't give a rat's derriere who gets credit for it. I'm sure some politician will try to take the credit - but any credit goes to the scientists and doctors who have worked on it.
If we go too much longer living in isolation and being afraid to go near others we are going to suffer in ways that we don't understand.
No politics! Just a vaccine as soon as possible!
If we go too much longer living in isolation and being afraid to go near others we are going to suffer in ways that we don't understand.
No politics! Just a vaccine as soon as possible!
That's a big part of the problem. People like you might be living in isolation or near isolation and doing the right things to help limit the spread. There are millions who are not living in isolation, still think it's either a hoax or that it infringes upon their personal liberties (yours be damned), not wearing masks to prevent spread, and governors who have opened up too early & afraid to put on the brakes on in spite of increasing cases.
It is hard not to take that paragraph into account - politics or no politics.
"Vaccine shows promise" is about all we've got right now. It was developed in conjunction w/a German pharma & Pfizer. There are conflicting reports about whether it was part of the US government's operation to get a vaccine or not.
The announcement addresses a small sample (94 trial subjects, I think) w/no idea yet on long term side-effects, how long-lasting the efficacy is, & what type of person would benefit most (age, gender, other conditions).
Yes, it's great news. Something's in the pipeline, but I don't think the general public is going to roll up its sleeve any time soon so we all better keep doing what we know for certain works! Masks! Social distancing!
I work at Regeneron and the news is promising what will be getting released for Covid, but might not be until spring 2021 for use.
My wife was at her dermatologist, so not a real doctor, but they were discussing covid and my wife mentioned vaccine news and the dermatologist replied "yeah I think Trump got that started"!
My wife was at her dermatologist, so not a real doctor, but they were discussing covid and my wife mentioned vaccine news and the dermatologist replied "yeah I think Trump got that started"!
A doctor said that??? Dermatologists are MDs. They know layman don't start research - especially by Turkish doctors in Germany last March:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/europe/biontech-pfizer-vaccine-team-couple-intl/index.html
I hope your wife has found a new dermatologist by now.
My wife was at her dermatologist, so not a real doctor, but they were discussing covid and my wife mentioned vaccine news and the dermatologist replied "yeah I think Trump got that started"!
A doctor said that??? Dermatologists are MDs. They know layman don't start research - especially by Turkish doctors in Germany last March:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/europe/biontech-pfizer-vaccine-team-couple-intl/index.html
I hope your wife has found a new dermatologist by now.
I know crazy! She also said she would take the vaccine since China didn't have anything to do with it. I mean, I wouldn't want a China vaccine either, but I don't know what pretense somebody would say that, as if there was some "news" or something that China was developing a vaccine for US deployment?
It's just people, our fellow citizens, people who should be informed...people who are going on believing whatever.
It uses the never-before-approved technology called messenger RNA, or mRNA, to spark an immune response in people who are vaccinated.
Their Covid-19 vaccine approach uses genetic material, mRNA, to trick cells into producing bits of protein that look like pieces of the virus. The immune system learns to recognize and attack those bits and, in theory, would react fast to any actual infection.
On Tuesday he said he believed the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine "will not be the only vaccine" against Covid-19, noting that a number of Phase 3 vaccine trials are ongoing.
Sounds great!
I wonder with more than one vaccine, will they have to figure out which one might be most effective on a certain individual...or which ones might have undesirable side effects on some people? Or perhaps some people might respond unfavorably if they have specific things wrong with them or unique conditions vs most other people. All over my head, I just trust they are figuring all that out.
My wife was at her dermatologist, so not a real doctor, but they were discussing covid and my wife mentioned vaccine news and the dermatologist replied "yeah I think Trump got that started"!
Must be a Dermatologist thing. I posted a couple of months ago - I took my aunt to see her Dermatologist - who is right across the hall from my GP. Entering the building, you are scanned with a thermometer and told to wear a mask while in the building (as I was at my week before visit with GP). While in her office, only my aunt and I were masked. When I inquired, she told me -"we don't get "sick people" in here." "Dr. Pimple-Popper!" (Seinfeld)
You're right. People believe crazy things. There's plenty of accurate news out there if people would take the time to read beyond the headline. As far as the public knows, vaccines are being developed all over the globe, but the one that seems most "promising" is the one developed in Germany by 2 Turkish doctors using RNA. They started working on it last March! Pfizer is a partner in distribution.
Adults should know that vaccines & medications take time to be developed, then there's clinical trial period on humans that has to be long enough to determine efficacy as well as side effects, & then there's FDA approval before something hits the market. Wherever the drug is developed (US, EU, China, Russia), it can't be used/sold in the US w/o FDA approval. The only way anyone would get a "China drug" would be go to China & carry it back illegally. Doctors - dermatologists or not - should encourage their patients to keep themselves informed w/FACTS not 4-word headlines & not make flippant remarks to their patients.
When the defecation wasn't even hitting the ventilation I had a dermotogy procedure to remove some skin cancer. I asked the practioner what she thought about the seriousness of the newly reported virus.
"Media overplaying it."
250,000 dead people, real important to so many families later, uh, overplayed? Not so much.
"Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?"
I had a physical with our family doctor last month. We talked at length about the virus at the end. He echoed and reinforced everything about the masks and avoiding crowds and distance and hygiene, all pretty commonsense at this point. Talked about the vaccines and the timetables of when the general public could expect availability. Everything he said was what I have been hearing from the likes of Fauci and Gottlieb. He also said the percentages are good, most people who get it will have a mild case, won't need hospitalization and will recover, but then there are the others who won't and we need to be careful for those people. He's a real doctor, what I consider a real doctor. Dermatologist might be a real doctor as well technically, as skin doctor, but I wouldn't seek or take any kind of advice...I mean a plumber might be a licensed tradesman who could offer advice on wiring up a back up generator but I wouldn't put much stock in their words.
I went in for a dental appointment recently and he asked me if I wear my mask (when I wasn't in his office), I said yeah in public...he said 'good, can you believe it some people don't think it's important to do that' - the Pence/Trump people.
One of the Dr.'s I follow on You Tube who works with Covid patients has said that the vaccines from Pfizer and Astra Zeneca do help you create antibodies but the antibodies do not provide long lasting immunity and you can get re-infected.
He also said even if you get Covid and recover the antibodies your body will naturally produce do not provide long lasting antibodies and re-infection is possible there too.
Regeneron will provide immediate antibodies that's what the formula is pure monoclonal antibodies to stop the cytokine response from happening. That plus big dose steroids will stop the inflammation that happens when the cytokine storm hits. Anyone starting to get sick should demand this right away. Once the cytokine storm hits you are effed.
I myself got sick the day after some guy in Stop and Shop was coughing and complaining he could not stop. This was last February. I got the sore throat, congestion, Pain and exhaustion, low fever. But we had raccoons in the attic. I thought an exterminator came and I was allergic to whatever insecticide was sprayed. Came to find out later they never called one because the raccoon was not there when they looked so they just covered the hole with wood and a tarp. I was coughing non stop for a week 24 hours a day. I went to Chinese restaurants to get hot soup and food, drank tons of echinacea and ginger tea, took wild oregano, cortisone, advil, but it was not till I got some type of skin in the bottom of my chicken and broccoli in garlic sauce that went down my throat before I could stop it I realized it was not seaweed or big garlic. I think it was pangolins from pictures I have seen. That night I stopped coughing and my congestion cleared.
I now think I probably did have Covid. I stayed home from work for the week since we were having an audit. My boss gave them my office to use.
So it worked out. This was February New York was not even shut down yet.
I don't know what was in that chinese food but it was some kind of skin with a gelatin like stuff under it. That stopped my cough, cleared my congestion and I got well.
So I think I have some antibodies I probably should get tested for antibodies.
If I got sick again I would ask for the Regeneron monoclonal antibodies, intravenous vitamin C, steroids, and Remdesivir. The Remdesivir works best if the Covid drugs.
Everyone needs to "mask up" all the time when out of their house. I have since that awful week in February. I do not make unnecessary trips anymore, if people are closer than 6 feet I say 'please social distance I work with someone who works directly with Covid patients', he has two jobs, his other job is working in a Covid unit. He is careful, has a new baby at home. You do not know who has been exposed. Cover yourself with a mask, wash your hands and social distance.
We have been thru bad Covid in NY the rest of the country has not till now.
It's a serious thing.
That’s awesome Gina, yep Chinese food is well known for solving more than just hunger - good for the mood too & that could be half the battle
Yes the news is promising on a vaccine
less promising are reports-by-experts of covid descending into Plague-level casualties over the winter months - supposedly will set grim records well into 2021
what enables its deadly-swift spread - there’s no answer to it
pollen gets in the air, people have allergies like hay fever, asthma etc, sicknesses like bronchitis, flu bugs, runny/stuffed up noses etc come along
Covid 19 is a grotesque outgrowth of all that & then some
pu pu platter w/egg foo yong & a fog cutter please🤝👽
Should anyone in this thread wish to be enlightened about Covid from someone who has followed it since its beginning, check out the article from Ed Young, a science writer, in the recent edition of “The Atlantic” titled “How Science Beat The Virus and What It Lost in the Process.”
He’s on Fresh Air with Terry Gross at present and, wow, very informative about the worldwide effort by scientists to research and develop the vaccine collaboratively, the costs, funding, Trump’s lackluster and frankly incompetent response to the entire pandemic, etc....
The interview will be available to rebroadcast probably tomorrow on the Fresh Air website....
Check it out if you’re curious...
You do not know who has been exposed. Cover yourself with a mask, wash your hands and social distance.
We have been thru bad Covid in NY the rest of the country has not till now.
It's a serious thing.
None of those things have done any good tho (mask/6 ft apart/hand sanitizer) - whatever
Serious it is, it’s a tug of war which if the rope ends up snapping in the middle, could spark a more widespread war
one side, The Vaccine Is Here
the other, is it just a finger in the dike given what’s reported to be coming this winter
can enough be mass produced to get it to where it’s so immediately needed (which is basically everywhere)
What if someone is vaccinated, but they get covid later on - is the new serum compatible w/all blood types - indeed, do we know for sure that this is the sure-fire cure & the end of covid
gotta feeling that loss of life will accompany the learning curve to this new remedy
thx for that headsup chain, will chek it out
@stephen How can you tell or measure infection spread that might have been prevented? The virus continues to spread like wildfire - but suppose that masks, distancing and self-imposed solitary confinement (i.e. - self quarantine) had not been practiced by an appreciable portion of the population? We could be wading in a deeper puddle of doodoo.
🤙I hear ya Rusty, it’s crazy to think of what a worse situation than we’re in right now, would be like - not-good
but it’s not a certainty either, & what if we’d at least kept masking/distancing/sanitizing/quarantining -
...but stayed partially open for business, ie ballparks concerts restaurant/bars, national parks....also a relaxing of quarantine restrictions etc
would that have had unleashed an infectious monster scarier than now
a few woulda couldas in the equation I suppose - but if not it’d be return to partial normalcy & economic boost -
covid is stinko👎
None of those things have done any good tho (mask/6 ft apart/hand sanitizer) - whatever
The evidence and data says otherwise. Cases went down during quarantines and after mask mandates. Masks have kept health workers from contracting the virus at a significant rate compared to their potential exposure. Cases have gone up in places where these restrictions were relaxed or eliminated. It's not that they had no effect, the practices were simply abandoned by many.
Another informative interview by Terry Gross and her guest Ed Young, Science writer for The Atlantic:
Took my aunt to her Neurologist this morning. Most of the doctor's in the hospital system have been or are being vaccinated. First responders (Fire, Police EMT's and others) are next - followed by nursing homes staff and patient/residents. Rank and file super-seniors like my aunt aren't likely to be eligible until March. Maybe I should stuff her into an old folk's home about right now?
Took my aunt to her Neurologist this morning. Most of the doctor's in the hospital system have been or are being vaccinated. First responders (Fire, Police EMT's and others) are next - followed by nursing homes staff and patient/residents. Rank and file super-seniors like my aunt aren't likely to be eligible until March. Maybe I should stuff her into an old folk's home about right now?
If you want her to stay free from COVID, do not put her into a nursing home.
I will probably eventually get the vaccine but first I want to research it more, see what the side effects are, which of the three or more vaccines is most effective, etc. I don't want to be a lab rat.
