We are in a situation where EVERY American should be observing extreme sanitary practices.
Certainly. Wash your hands with hot water Check. Social distancing. Check.
Masks?.... Up to the individual
Pence wearing a mask would've been an example of LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.
Its no different from Obama visiting the Gulf beaches swept clean of tar balls during the BP Oil spill crisis. Its about optics. Obama's gang wanted the public to believe that things weren't so bad. I guess the same applies here. instead of tar balls its covid patients.
Apples and ... fuel pumps! We are in a situation where EVERY American should be observing extreme sanitary practices. The tar balls were (and still are!) a nasty problem. But I haven't heard of anybody accidentally inhaling one or anything. I do not think that a mask would've been of much use. 😉
Part of the "magic" of the Coronavirus is its ability to go unrecognized during the initial stages. From my understanding (and I've read VOLUMES on this), it is during this early, unrecognizable stage that the virus is most contagious.
Yes - it’s very much like cancer in that respect - there is no telling & we just don’t know where & how it originates -
Have seen those tar balls b4, they are yicky alright & smelled bad too as I recall
[you can't be serious. we know the spread of the virus comes from close contact with other people. it's this type of stupidity that hurts America.
It's this lack of leadership that hurts America. The Director of the US COVID-19 Task Force flaunting the policy of the hospital in which he was visiting is not ok. Mayo tweeted that they gave him a mask; he declined. No mask. No social distancing. Contact - elbow bump. What kind of message does that send to an already-confused public?
The knee jerk reaction to defend EVERYTHING no matter how heinous or ignorant or mistaken it is makes us unnecessarily divided. We are all equally vulnerable to COVID-19. We should unanimously say "Don't drink bleach" and "Follow the guidelines of the hospital you're in." How hard is that? What's wrong w/that? Why can't we collectively agree that some actions are just wrong? It has zero to do w/politics.
I posted the lack of a mask in response to the discussion of the doctor who worked in NYC's ER, contracted the virus & survived, went back to work & it was too much, & committed suicide. There are medical professionals & hospital staff risking their lives (& sanity) fighting this. Imagine how Dr. Breen's colleagues would feel if Pence was strolling around that hospital w/o a mask, not distancing, & elbow bumping plasma donors? Anyone knows if Mayo staff has been sickened or worse?
It's callous & disrespectful to members of the forum who are either working in hospitals themselves, have family members who do so, or working to supply hospitals w/adequate resources for patients & staff.
No part of this post is directed to the troll. It's directed to anyone who can't just once look at something objectively.
Total aside: who taught Pence how to "elbow bump"? Left arm -to-right arm results in the same effect as offering your left hand to someone offering their right in a handshake. It just looked goofy!
It's up to the law at the end of the day
Which or what Law are you referencing?
If hospital policy is that everyone should wear a mask, then everyone should wear a mask.
Especially the VP
it's not like Mayo Clinic is a 2 bit operation
The VP is essentially saying to one of the leading institutions in the WORLD that either I am above your policy or I disagree with your policy or your policy is foolish.
It's not like Pence went to med school
How about shut your god damned mouth and listen to the Health Care Professionals
If hospital policy is that everyone should wear a mask, then everyone should wear a mask.
Especially the VP
Courtesy to the Hospital and its staff aside and respect given to their gallant efforts, would you take a moment to explain the difference between "Policy" & "Law"?
Thanks in advance
The lefties are all concerned about the petty while VP Pence is working to solve the problem.
Not one the lefties offers any solutions or supports anything that can help.
Yeah, good ol' Doctor Pence. Guy's a genius.
How about shut your god damned mouth and listen to the Health Care Professionals
Having a hard time accepting that the lefties are all about the petty and President Trump and Vice President Pence are getting the job done?
Get over it.
NOBODY LIKES YOU, YOU ADD NOTHING - GO AWAY.
go make your lefty - rightyy argument somewhere else
COVID-19 is killing people all over the globe from China to Sweden to the US. Everyone on the planet is vulnerable.
There are doctors, scientists, & other experts who are putting their expertise to work to find a treatment, a vaccine, fast diagnostic tests, & reliable antibody tests. There are medical professionals who are treating patients all over the world. They are communists, socialists, capitalists, monarchists, & apolitical. The form of government of their country & their personal political opinions are irrelevant. They're working independently & sharing their findings to fight the pandemic & treat the sick. It's preposterous for posters to clutter up discussions w/references to a "left" or "right" label to those experts working overtime to save their sorry asses. COVID-19 doesn't distinguish between nations & certainly not American political parties. Get woke.
Obstinance. Several sufferers of this sometimes lethal affliction here among us.
Out of concern for the ENTIRE PUBLIC - health officials (government or otherwise) put measures into place that were designed to minimize the spread of a DEADLY freakin' virus. But there are some who insist on stretching, bending or outright breaking these "rules" (rules - enacting laws would take too long) of protection. For what reason? Oh, yeah - the (apparent) Constitutional right to spread ones illness.
Yeah - it's called obstinance. We've got several candidates for poster child here among us.
Just do the world a favor and sign a waiver for a ventilator for when your number gets called.
With the masks or face coverings, I see it as a respect for others thing, a courtesy.
Ohio will mandate that businesses about to open, and the ones that have been open, must have their employees wear face masks (although there are some specific exceptions). He first said everyone must wear a face covering, but then came back and said customers aren't required to wear one instead saying it is simply strongly encouraged.
So I see it two-fold, if the employees going to work have to wear one, I'm going to wear one when I'm in their store. And...I don't know if I might have it sometimes, they don't know if I have it, so you wear the mask out of an abundance of caution and courtesy for people around you.
Stuff is weird right now, we just have to get through it.
Stuff is weird right now, we just have to get through it.
What we don't have to "get through" is the labeling by trolls & posters of anyone outside the world of this board. I'm insulted by being labeled myself & just ignore them. I'm more than what some forum poster who's never met thinks I am.
Nebish, you're a reasonable guy. Masks, social distancing, no contact aren't "courtesies." Some are mandated, some are voluntary, & some are the policy of institutions/businesses. When the Mayo Clinic - ranked the #1 hospital in the US by medical & watchdog organizations, says masks, social distancing, & no contact is THEIR HOSPITAL's policy, DO IT.
Forget that Pence is VP. He's the Director of the US COVID-19 Task Force designated by the president himself. He has an obligation to provide Americans w/leadership. That means following the hospital policy of American's #1 hospital administration, especially when he appears on camera. Otherwise, he looks like he's above the virus, other humans, & certainly mere medical experts. He also looks just plain stupid. His response as to why he didn't wear one - that he is VP of the US & gets tested regularly - was even more stupid. As director of the task force who meets Fauci/Birx et al every day, he should know the basics - people can be asymptomatic & have the virus, there are false negatives, people w/COVID-19 can get it again, & no one of any age, race, gender, or nationally is immune.
I saw the clip as it happened on mute so I wasn't influenced by any reporter narrative. I'm an adult. I've been paying attention. His lack of mask & other actions were so incongruous w/what anyone else was doing, it stood out. I then got phone calls from friends & colleagues in Europe who actually asked if Trump's sanity had tipped if he was advising experts to test bleach & light injections on patients & his back-up man is clueless.
So, as thoughtful as most of your posts are, I disagree w/you on this one. What ordinary citizens do is their business & if they want to go against a hospital policy, they will be denied admittance. Our leadership owes us more.
Pence should've worn a mask.
I was talking about myself and what I do, how I look at my actions towards others.
Pence should've worn a mask.
I was talking about myself and what I do, how I look at my actions towards others.
But it's not a courtesy. It may not even be your call. Depending upon where you are, it can be anything from an entry requirement to local mandate.
Researchers at the Woodstock Institute have reversed an earlier recomndation. Their new stance, “Go ahead and take that brown acid, its worth a try”. Thus a possible end to this global pandemic...
Bruce! Wow it’s been a while eh?
Cyclone, I am talking about where I am.
I went into Ace Hardware this week. I wore a mask. I was the only person in there to have one on out of 4 employees and two other customers. Maybe the mask helps me a little, but really it helps them, I wore it so other people would feel more comfortable around me.
Soon here, those Ace workers are going to have to wear a mask too or some kind of face covering. So if they have to I think I should too, we’re in this together.
Our Governor felt requiring customers to wear one was problematic. I would’ve rather he just mandated it. Sure some people wouldn’t have done it, I think most would’ve. It wouldn’t be enforceable and businesses were concerned about enforcement. I think it sends a wrong message to say it’s important for employees to wear a mask, but not customers.
In the end, with asymptomatic spread I think me wearing a mask makes others feel more comfortable. And it’s like, you’re doing it, I’ll do it to.
This is me in my area. I’m not talking about Mayo or some other state or location.
Pence should've worn a mask.
I was talking about myself and what I do, how I look at my actions towards others.
But it's not a courtesy. It may not even be your call. Depending upon where you are, it can be anything from an entry requirement to local mandate.
What LAW is that?
How about wearing masks as a gesture of courtesy and respect to all the over-worked hospital staffs in the country? They've literally got bodies piling up, they're running out of masks and other supplies and some are even committing job stress-related suicide. Could you at least consider giving these folks a break? I mean, if it doesn't wreck all your constitutional rights and stuff.
Cyclone88, thanks for your numerous posts on this. Really well thought out, common sense stuff that applies to everyone. All very well said.
How about wearing masks as a gesture of courtesy and respect to all the over-worked hospital staffs in the country? They've literally got bodies piling up, they're running out of masks and other supplies and some are even committing job stress-related suicide. Could you at least consider giving these folks a break? I mean, if it doesn't wreck all your constitutional rights and stuff.
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See, that is all fine and dandy, using the phrase. "courtesy and respect"....but if I choose not to because of whatever reason and whatever the consequences are of people needing to label my choice...What LAW are they going to enforce to make me?
I mean, if it doesn't wreck all your constitutional rights and stuff.
"and stuff" ....See, my belief is that if you really feel tis way, you, are part of the problem
"Stuff" - because you keep asking about a particular LAW regarding wearing masks -as requested and suggested by people like SCIENTISTS, shop owners, fellow human beings ... and stuff. Do you even know how a LAW becomes such? Do you understand the process and the TIME that it takes to get legislation in place? By the time an actual LAW could be enacted, we could lose great numbers of people (taxpayers ... and stuff).
Just sign that ventilator waiver!
"Stuff" - because you keep asking about a particular LAW regarding wearing masks -as requested and suggested by people like SCIENTISTS, shop owners, fellow human beings ... and stuff. Do you even know how a LAW becomes such? Do you understand the process and the TIME that it takes to get legislation in place? By the time an actual LAW could be enacted, we could lose great numbers of people (taxpayers ... and stuff).
Just sign that ventilator waiver!
Yes, I do understand, thank you! I will wear a mask when I see fit, not because it is a courtesy, not because I've been told, or it has been mandated or requested.
You do you and I will do me.
Cyclone88, thanks for your numerous posts on this.
I didn't intend to be a crusader, but labeling the acts of wearing masks, social distancing, & contact as "left/right" when it's a worldwide health issue is ludicrous. My comments started w/Pence - not in his position as VP but as the leader of the US COVID-19 Task Force - rejecting the policy of the #1 US hospital administration. I don't care what political party he is. Right now, he represents the US response to COVID-19 & he defied the hospital's well thought out policy. Hearing from Mayo that he refused a mask he was given is incredible to me. The refusal to distance & elbow bumping a plasma donor surpass incredulity.
Liberal-shaming people who're complying w/guidelines & policies is counter-productive to mitigating a deadly virus.
It all seems like a catch-22, the longer you shelter in place, the longer you need to shelter in place. May not be true, but certainly has that feel to it.
As far as essential workers go, maybe Friday and Saturday nights Bars, Casinos and Stripclubs are open, and grocery stores close? Just a thought. As a great philosopher once said “Unless they are paying your nut, no one has the right to tell you how to make a living”. That philosopher of course, Christopher Moltisanti.
This is a geezer disease, 3 out of 4 fatalities are over the age of 65. If you’re under 40 the odds of dying are extremely small. So, the older you get, the closer you are to dying. Nothing new. Is it wise to shut down the workforce (65 and under), to protect those over 65? Are we doing the senior citizens any favor by slowing the spread? I understand keeping things tightly wrapped until hospital capacity is brought up, but keeping economy wrapped after that? Officials have some ‘splaining to do. Certainly in favor of extra money being spent on nursing homes. But in general, I think us geezers can fend for ourselves. We need the younger generation out there making some bucks so they can pay our social security checks.... We all know how that works, right?
So we just have to be patient with our slowcoaches. They will tire of being laughed at eventually.
Interesting theory and attempt at making it seem as though it has already been accepted in the annals of time as being the right thing to do.
"The World Health Organization and the CDC have repeatedly said that most people do not need to wear masks unless they are sick and coughing."
I believe this falls under the guise and sheep mentality thought process that "Doing something, is better than doing nothing".....
Have you seen that person, driving in a car by themselves, wearing a mask? I think there are an equal amount of examples of people reacting solely because of the immense amount of time they are spending in front of their TVs reacting to the fear being sold by the media.
Follow the money.
It all seems like a catch-22, the longer you shelter in place, the longer you need to shelter in place. May not be true, but certainly has that feel to it.
As far as essential workers go, maybe Friday and Saturday nights Bars, Casinos and Stripclubs are open, and grocery stores close? Just a thought. As a great philosopher once said “Unless they are paying your nut, no one has the right to tell you how to make a living”. That philosopher of course, Christopher Moltisanti.
This is a geezer disease, 3 out of 4 fatalities are over the age of 65. If you’re under 40 the odds of dying are extremely small. So, the older you get, the closer you are to dying. Nothing new. Is it wise to shut down the workforce (65 and under), to protect those over 65? Are we doing the senior citizens any favor by slowing the spread? I understand keeping things tightly wrapped until hospital capacity is brought up, but keeping economy wrapped after that? Officials have some ‘splaining to do. Certainly in favor of extra money being spent on nursing homes. But in general, I think us geezers can fend for ourselves. We need the younger generation out there making some bucks so they can pay our social security checks.... We all know how that works, right?
One of the most f*cked up posts I've ever wasted 20 seconds of my life on.
Researchers at the Woodstock Institute have reversed an earlier recomndation. Their new stance, “Go ahead and take that brown acid, its worth a try”. Thus a possible end to this global pandemic...
They found out that it's just brown sugar and cinnamon paste.
