You miss the point
I have missed nothing; perhaps the solution for you is to just stop trying to justify your own hypocrisy.
Solution to what? I'm not the one perseverating the BLM protests, months later, while ignoring other similar gatherings. So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis, maybe take a look at your own bias and hypocrisy.
You miss the point
I have missed nothing; perhaps the solution for you is to just stop trying to justify your own hypocrisy.
Solution to what? I'm not the one perseverating the BLM protests, months later, while ignoring other similar gatherings. So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis, maybe take a look at your own bias and hypocrisy.
The people who attended Sturgis are just as lacking in common sense as those lighting fires in Portland.
Was Sturgis a Constitutionally protected activity? If so, why bring it up? Logic says you would be on their side.
You miss the point
I have missed nothing; perhaps the solution for you is to just stop trying to justify your own hypocrisy.
Solution to what? I'm not the one perseverating the BLM protests, months later, while ignoring other similar gatherings. So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis, maybe take a look at your own bias and hypocrisy.
& on that note a good time to kibosh the exchanges, it’s run its course, the dialog stopped being interesting awhile ago - it’s gotten stale so why not call a stalemate;)
“Opening Up America Again”? W/300,000 projected dead by the end of the year? No, the economy will shut down, not open up, apace w/the business closures/death toll etc
the dialog stopped being interesting awhile ago - it’s gotten stale so why not call a stalemate;)
How does one call a stalemate on hypocrisy?
You miss the point
I have missed nothing; perhaps the solution for you is to just stop trying to justify your own hypocrisy.
Solution to what? I'm not the one perseverating the BLM protests, months later, while ignoring other similar gatherings. So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis, maybe take a look at your own bias and hypocrisy.
The people who attended Sturgis are just as lacking in common sense as those lighting fires in Portland.
Was Sturgis a Constitutionally protected activity? If so, why bring it up? Logic says you would be on their side.
Geez....The point being the Sturgis Bike Rally ignored safety precautions, so logic would suggest you would have a huge problem with that gathering. Instead you're still complaining about BLM protests that happened months ago.
Move on, seriously, the rest of the world is certainly trying to. Enough with "but the protestors!" already, it was old 2 months ago. We all want to go to concerts and a ballgame again and we all agree that protests didn't help get us to that point any faster, I'm not sure why you're still stuck on this. I think we are all more interested in looking forwards at how that can happen rather than what might have slowed the process last Spring.
The point being the Sturgis Bike Rally ignored safety precautions, so logic would suggest you would have a huge problem with that gathering.
You and your "points"!.. I have a "problem" with EVERY gathering that could prolong this virus.
Are you going to quote the Constitution in support of the people who attended the peaceful rally in Sturgis?
You and your "points"!.. I have a "problem" with EVERY gathering that could prolong this virus.
Great. Take a hint, start a thread about it and spare the rest of us from having to read about it ad nauseam.
Are you going to quote the Constitution in support of the people who attended the peaceful rally in Sturgis?
Apparently you don't know what a bike rally is.
Are you going to quote the Constitution in support of the people who attended the peaceful rally in Sturgis?
Apparently you don't know what a bike rally is.
Did they have a Constitutional right to "gather"?
Yes or No?
Apparently you don't know what a bike rally is.
Did they have a Constitutional right to "gather"?
Can you express your own opinion without a snarky question with needless quotation marks? Just make your point.
Apparently you don't know what a bike rally is.
Did they have a Constitutional right to "gather"?
Can you express your own opinion without a snarky question with needless quotation marks? Just make your point.
Funny, you brought up the Sturgis rally and I am guessing you did this in the hope that I might defend them. I did not and made my feelings clear that EVERY large gathering, regardless of the intent in all likelihood slows down the efforts being made by others to curb the spread of Covid 19. So, in your very own, unique way of evading, you have attempted to deflect in anyway possible the question put to you. I am not surprised in the least. So here it is again, pretty simple:
"Do the people who attended the rally in Sturgis have the same Constitutional rights to "gather" as those who gather peacefully in the streets"?
So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis
They are as equally selfish as those who took to the streets during this pandemic. Now, post all the links you want....But try to answer the question posed.
Funny, you brought up the Sturgis rally and I am guessing you did this in the hope that I might defend them. I did not and made my feelings clear that EVERY large gathering, regardless of the intent in all likelihood slows down the efforts being made by others to curb the spread of Covid 19. So, in your very own, unique way of evading, you have attempted to deflect in anyway possible the question put to you. I am not surprised in the least. So here it is again, pretty simple:
"Do the people who attended the rally in Sturgis have the same Constitutional rights to "gather" as those who gather peacefully in the streets"?
So unless you'd like to grind your axe about Sturgis
They are as equally selfish as those who took to the streets during this pandemic. Now, post all the links you want....But try to answer the question posed.
Dude, this isn't a trial, I'm not sure why you think you're entitled to Q&A. Just make your point like an adult. Especially when your questions don't make any sense.
Sturgis Bike Week is not a protest, it's an annual motorbiking event (a bike-themed party), and it went forward with the blessing of the city and the Governor, whom you have repeatedly praised for her approach to COVID-19 safety. As you can see from photos taken at the event, those who attended did not take any pandemic-related health precautions. The Constitution does not apply because the state and city supported and organized the event (which included a Smashmouth concert). There was nothing attempting to restrict their actions that required invoking the Constitution. So that's great that the rally also bothers you, maybe write the Governor of SD a letter. The point was not to trip you up, the point was if all public gatherings are so bothersome to you, move on from those that took place months ago. We are tired of hearing about them.
Sturgis Bike Week is not a protest, it's an annual motorbiking event (a bike-themed party), and it went forward with the blessing of the city and the Governor, whom you have repeatedly praised for her approach to COVID-19 safety.
At ANY point, did this gathering result in violence?..Looting?...Burning and destruction of private property? You are so intent on quoting the Constitution in defense of "peaceful gatherings" just wondering if you were willing to extend the same olive branch to Sturgis. Let us not forget that it was you who brought Sturgis into the conversation.
Move along, nothing to see here....
You might want to think about just ignoring my posts....
2 entirely different circumstances, try to wrap your head around that fact.
Explain that fact to the gentleman who brought Sturgis into the equation.
Still holding this plateau of new cases in Ohio with some declines. Our 7 day average is down 17% off the 7/30 peak. 1109.7 new cases a day is the rolling 7 day average right now. Our 14 day average is down 13% and the 21 day average is down 10% from those respective peaks.
After 18 straight days of new cases in the 1000-1700 per day range, we have now had new cases below 1000 5 out of the last 10 days.
So definitely some positive movement here, but we still have a ways to go in order to get down to our "good" "low" mid-June figures (a low of 381 per day).
And after 21 straight days of 1000+ patients hospitalized for covid, we have had 3 straight days below 1000 now. We've had spikes in hospitalizations and ICU usage, but covid never represented more than 4% of bed use and ICU use by covid patients has always remained below 10% of total ICU capacity.
Things are about the same in my own county, about average...a plateau.
Some improvements happening here, although we need and of course want more.
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2 entirely different circumstances, try to wrap your head around that fact.
Explain that fact to the gentleman who brought Sturgis into the equation.
The Sturgis event was way more wreckless and dangerous for spreading Covid19. 250,000 people without masks or social distancing a concert, bar hopping, and camping. way more wreckless then a BLM protest.
Are both of these events capable of spreading the killer virus?
If your answer is yes, then both of these actions go against common sense, so please do not try to give me the "Lesser of two evils" argument. We are talking about a Virus that kills, making all attendees of either circumstance equally guilty.
The people who attended Sturgis are just as lacking in common sense as those lighting fires in Portland.
Ok then.
At ANY point, did this gathering result in violence?..Looting?...Burning and destruction of private property?
Ah, back to that again. That was quick.
You are so intent on quoting the Constitution in defense of "peaceful gatherings" just wondering if you were willing to extend the same olive branch to Sturgis. Let us not forget that it was you who brought Sturgis into the conversation.
I can shake my head at the actions of those in Sturgis on their own, I don't need a qualifier. You can lower the bar for simply not setting fires (or because you once championed Gov Noem's approach - you've grown up so much since "one size doesn't fit all" days!). As I explained, Sturgis isn't a protest, it is a week-long festival with concerts - the 1st Amendment doesn't need to ensure Smashmouth concerts when the local government has already approved it. Your repeated question regarding the Constitution was ignored because it only proved you weren't familiar with the event or situation.
I brought up Sturgis up because it's a reckless event from a public health standpoint (more so than Trump's anti-mask Tulsa rally which is you defended). Sturgis is the type of unsafe event you've been furious about when it suits you (if Herman Cain had attended, you'd respect his educated decision). So please, do carry on. It's a nice change of pace from your "protestors" broken record.
I brought up Sturgis up because it's a reckless event from a public health standpoint
Just like protesting during a pandemic
Things are about the same in my own county, about average...a plateau.
Some improvements happening here, although we need and of course want more.
That is certainly promising. New cases seem to have slowed here in FL over the past 2 weeks or so after a rough June and July. Hopefully the trends continues downward.
I brought up Sturgis up because it's a reckless event from a public health standpoint
Just like protesting during a pandemic
Yes, similar except one is promoted and organized by local officials with no health precautions which we know upsets you.
I brought up Sturgis up because it's a reckless event from a public health standpoint
Just like protesting during a pandemic
Yes, similar except one is promoted and organized by local officials with no health precautions which we know upsets you.
Yes, Fires, looting and violence do upset me.
Retail was already dying & now, w/the closing of the small businesses that were tenants of shopping centers, stand-alones, and even major malls are officially shuttering them. Think of the small real estate investors as well as the biggest mall owners who suddenly have empty property w/no prospects. How do you re-use/adapt a mall at such a high rate that it's going to cover the mortgage?
Regarding commercial real estate that we were discussing last week, chains are abandoning Manhattan in droves. That's such an about-face from just 6 months ago when chains were invading as far out as Coney Island it will make your head spin.
Without tourists shopping while on vacation, there's no point in paying high rents just to have a space in Midtown NYC anymore. Rents will go down, but enough to attract small businesses? What kinds of businesses will even want to open brick and mortar retail? Without workers in offices, there's not enough take out businesses for the Chipotles and even NYC's own Shake Shack. Something will come back, it's NYC after where theaters will eventually reopen, but there will need to be fresh incentives for businesses that survive this.
I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.
That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.
Here's you assignment: do some thorough research on efficacy of masks, at three different sources, then report back to us this Friday with your finds,with sources noted.
May you can settle the argument with some information rather than allusions,inference And obstinacy.
Speaking of assignments and the efficacy of masks, the consensus opinion on this board is that masks are not only a sign of courtesy, but do a "good enough job" of placing America in the position of opening up if everyone wears them in their attempts to return to "normal".
Open up the schools and have children, administrators, teachers, janitors and everyone anywhere near the students wear masks. Wipe down surfaces regularly, practice social distancing in the classroom and on the playground and a lot of parents can get back to work.
Or is the mask theory only applicable in certain scenarios?
