I can accept your opinions just fine, but whatever you think of AOC's "daily life" is not an opinion.
Evidently, you can not. Please give me your definition of just exactly what an opinion is.
Here is the word opinion as defined by Websters: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
Now once again for clarification, here was the original statement and my retort:
"Unfortunately having academic degrees and even translating that to a successful professional career take a backseat to practicality and common sense
Example: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
What exactly is is your issue with this? You believe this applies to Mr. Cain and I feel it is more than appropriate in describing the Congresswoman.
Absolutely. This is one thing that Trump foresees - real estate worldwide is going to tank big time & the lenders, paper holders, and investment banks are going to take massive hits. It's one thing when the 3 largest tenants in NYC pay the penalty & have early terminations of their leases because they've discovered it's more efficient & cost effective to have employees working remotely. That's just one side - contraction in office space.
Landlords & homeowners are used to thinking it's a seller's market. Not so fast. If people aren't working, they're not going to afford rent/mortgages. Already, there are trends from cities to the ex-urbs for those who still have jobs but work remotely.
Retail was already dying & now, w/the closing of the small businesses that were tenants of shopping centers, stand-alones, and even major malls are officially shuttering them. Think of the small real estate investors as well as the biggest mall owners who suddenly have empty property w/no prospects. How do you re-use/adapt a mall at such a high rate that it's going to cover the mortgage?
When Trump says "back to work," he doesn't mean it. He means "back in the office" & shove the kids in school so the parents can occupy office space. Get them traveling to stay in hotels.
Remember 2008 when the real estate market in the US collapsed? New towers in Miami and NYC remained vacant. But they still sold, foreign investors scooped up US real estate for a fraction of the price and it created a black hole in available real estate to urban residents. Rents went up and people who couldn't afford it moved out. Shops closed and chains moved in. But now chains are collapsing.
Malls will be interesting, they take up an insane amount of acreage. Lots of people still like to shop in person and browse the mall, but I remember empty mall storefronts in the late 80s and it didn't end well. Same thing with universities, will students go back? Will employees work from home or their jobs get eliminated completely? New York University has been buying up Greenwich Village for the past 2 decades, without students they are just another broke developer. A friend of mine who trades cattle said gold is going up and it's not good. Investors want something tangible.
Now you're triggered by the word "trigger"
Hilarious. I had to defer to an "Urban dictionary" to find a "definition" of this P.C. term!..Hahaha. Where it is defined as a : "when someone gets offended or gets their feelings hurt, often used in memes to describe feminist, or people with strong victimization"
Offended?...So, once again, having an opinion (yet another term you seem to have difficulty with) that differs from yours and expressing it automatically defaults to being "offended"?
How old are you young man?
I can accept your opinions just fine, but whatever you think of AOC's "daily life" is not an opinion.
Evidently, you can not. Please give me your definition of just exactly what an opinion is.
Here is the word opinion as defined by Websters: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
Now once again for clarification, here was the original statement and my retort:
"Unfortunately having academic degrees and even translating that to a successful professional career take a backseat to practicality and common sense
Example: Alexandria Ocasio CortezWhat exactly is is your issue with this? You believe this applies to Mr. Cain and I feel it is more than appropriate in describing the Congresswoman.
Oh goody, semantics!
First, it's not my quote so I never stated to whom it applies. You cited Cain's MS degree to legitimize his intelligence:
he also graduated with a Master's degree in computer science from Purdue University more than likely making him just a bit smarter than you
However, you contradicted this then when you agreed that "academic degrees...take a backseat...to common sense", citing your opinion of AOC.
So which is your opinion? I will gladly accept either opinion, or both since opinions don't have to be "based on fact or knowledge". But don't kick dirt because they contradict each other. Everyone can handle your opinion, you just can't handle anyone pointing the serpentine logic that got you there.
Remember 2008 when the real estate market in the US collapsed? New towers in Miami and NYC remained vacant. But they still sold, foreign investors scooped up US real estate for a fraction of the price and it created a black hole in available real estate to urban residents. Rents went up and people who couldn't afford it moved out. Shops closed and chains moved in. But now chains are collapsing.
Malls will be interesting, they take up an insane amount of acreage. Lots of people still like to shop in person and browse the mall, but I remember empty mall storefronts in the late 80s and it didn't end well. Same thing with universities, will students go back? Will employees work from home or their jobs get eliminated completely? New York University has been buying up Greenwich Village for the past 2 decades, without students they are just another broke developer. A friend of mine who trades cattle said gold is going up and it's not good. Investors want something tangible.
I go all the way back to the 1987 S&L debacle when the government ended up w/empty real estate from government-backed loans. It took years to dig out of that one. Some places - like suburban Las Vegas - never recovered.
This problem is unique because it's global. Granted, there are oligarchs & Bezos of the world, but we don't have the big syndicates from the UK, Germany, Singapore that can buy US properties for pennies. They've got their own real estate to deal with. And really, who wants something that is never coming back? Residential will eventually right itself because people have to live somewhere, but all the others are a crapshoot. Isn't it Buffett that has had his $$$ in cash for the past few years? He got burned w/outlet malls a while back.
How old are you young man?
MULEMAN has returned! 😉
Besides, you're the one using "OMG" regularly 😮
But seriously, dude, this is some petty nonsense. It's a discussion you're taking way too seriously. I never once said you can't have your own opinion nor am I offended, I simply disagree with your opinion and stated why. It's not personal. I've got a lot of friends from HTN alone with whom I disagree politically, it's always about the exchange of ideas and information.
I noticed a new graphic on Ohio's coronavirus website today, they are showing hospital capacity.
As has been the case the last 4 weeks, we are averaging anywhere from 1000-1100 patients in Ohio hospitals on any given day. These patients account for 4% of our total bed capacity. Non-covid patients make up 64-70% of our capacity depending on the day. Today we have 28% bed capacity remaining for all patients who need admitted.
Covid patients only make up 7-8% of our ICU bed capacity. Today they reported 340 covid patients in ICU and 2,569 non-covid ICU patients. We have nearly 32% of our ICU beds available.
Seems like Ohio has reached a plateau. Not sure if it will hold, but after days upon days of new highs for 7-day, 14-day and 21-day rolling averages, they have dipped slightly and have gone down 5 days in a row.
And the weekly numbers in my county had been higher Sunday-Monday for 4 straight weeks, except for last week they were down 20%. Numbers are still high, but a sliver of good news, I'll take it.
That's certainly promising, nebish. Any daylight feels good these days. Florida had its first decreases in cases, which is a promising trend. We drove through Miami last week and everyone outside was wearing masks.
I noticed a new graphic on Ohio's coronavirus website today, they are showing hospital capacity... Numbers are still high, but a sliver of good news, I'll take it.
Great. Maybe people are beginning to take things more seriously. Did you happen to notice if the graphic was from the Johns Hopkins data that Fauci has been using since Day 1 or if it was something from Trump's new HHS database?
It looks to me it is just something the state of Ohio has added to their existing data charts.
You take the cursor over the shaded areas to get the percentages. Edit, the image cut off the labels on the graphs. The first one is total impatient bed capacity, then ICU bed capacity and finally ventilator capacity.
Another day of Ohio ticking ever so slightly lower on all the 7, 14 and 21 day averages. They are modest decreases, but atleast it is a 6 day trend now.
[Edited on 8/6/2020 by nebish]
One new case in Ohio getting a lot of attention - our Governor!
It looks to me it is just something the state of Ohio has added to their existing data charts.
Good. It's from OH hospitals to the OH health dept. Who knows what gets sent to Trump. And another republican governor has Covid19... discovered while waiting to greet Trump deplaning. Don't these guys get that emulating his not wearing a mask is stupid unless they're getting the same VIP treatment he does - daily testing & vetting of people allowed to breathe the same air.
Dewine had been very supportive of masks, although had resisted a statewide mandate until just the last few weeks. Other than his delay for the statewide mandate, Dewine has walked and talked the part of precaution. So much so that there was a backlash when he first tested positive some people were saying "I thought masks worked" (because Dewine always wears one), "see told you this was all a joke about masks don't prevent you from getting it, look at Dewine he got it". Dewine says he got some "texts" (?) that were not so nice saying things about masks not making a difference. Not sure people actually texted him with his cell phone number, it's Mike Dewine, not the most hip or tech savvy guy so I don't know what platform he read those comments on.
So Dewine may be a Republican, but on the mask issue he hasn't been any kind of partisan in that respect. Everyone is open to criticism, Dewine is no different, neither is everyone's hero, Cuomo. Everyone can do better and has had questionable decisions. But Dewine has widely been praised nationally for his approach by many different and varied media outlets.
As for the positive test, his antigen test he was given before meeting the President revealed a positive result. Then he got a PCR test, those results came back late last night and it was negative. They ran the PCR results twice and negative both times. He's going to get another PCR test today or Saturday just to confirm. How many damn tests does a person need to get?
I don't try and stir the pot up on this stuff, but false positives and false negatives and all this BS with different tests is just another reason I no longer follow news on coronavirus other than some of the data in my state or where I may travel just so I know which way the wind is blowing. Everyone else can argue about tests and masks and right vs wrong. I'm just going to be me and keep avoiding most of all that.
How many damn tests does a person need to get?
That's a new issue, isn't it? I read an article about a celebrity who felt awful for months but her symptoms didn't quite match Covid19 & her various tests came back negative; she finally got a positive antibody test after she felt the worst of the symptoms were over. We're 6 months into this & it seems there still isn't a reliable test unless the symptoms are obvious or it's after the fact or post-mortem.
I didn't realize the OH governor had been pro-mask. Of course, what we keep hearing is that the mask doesn't protect US, it protects others from us.
How many damn tests does a person need to get?
That's a new issue, isn't it? I read an article about a celebrity who felt awful for months but her symptoms didn't quite match Covid19 & her various tests came back negative; she finally got a positive antibody test after she felt the worst of the symptoms were over. We're 6 months into this & it seems there still isn't a reliable test unless the symptoms are obvious or it's after the fact or post-mortem.
I didn't realize the OH governor had been pro-mask. Of course, what we keep hearing is that the mask doesn't protect US, it protects others from us.
Alyssa Milano?
If so I watched her on Chris Cuomo last night alongside Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt Hospital. She detailed the testing scenarios & outrcomes of her situation. Dr Schaffner, professor of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University filled in the blanks. Good info.
Alyssa Milano
Last time I checked, she was an actress. Is she now a Doctor?
Alyssa Milano
Last time I checked, she was an actress. Is she now a Doctor?
Yes, an actress. Not necessarily a good one, but probably as qualified as any politician to speak on covid.
Alyssa Milano? If so I watched her on Chris Cuomo last night alongside Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt Hospital. She detailed the testing scenarios & outrcomes of her situation. Dr Schaffner, professor of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University filled in the blanks. Good info.
Yes. I'd never heard of her, but her testing story was disturbing. And now, we have the asymptomatic OH governor testing NEGATIVE. Apparently, the test that takes longer is more accurate than the 15 minute one that he took on the tarmac awaiting Air Force One that was positive. The message: we're not getting accurate tests unless they're a particular type that may/may not be offered in our area.
Yes. I'd never heard of her
You never saw Who's the Boss with Tony Danza?
After she grew up she was kind of a big deal for a minute.
Alyssa Milano? If so I watched her on Chris Cuomo last night alongside Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt Hospital. She detailed the testing scenarios & outrcomes of her situation. Dr Schaffner, professor of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University filled in the blanks. Good info.
Yes. I'd never heard of her, but her testing story was disturbing. And now, we have the asymptomatic OH governor testing NEGATIVE. Apparently, the test that takes longer is more accurate than the 15 minute one that he took on the tarmac awaiting Air Force One that was positive. The message: we're not getting accurate tests unless they're a particular type that may/may not be offered in our area.
Yes, her medical conditions with Covid, testing history, and the results were disturbing as you stated. She detailed the various tests and contradictory results. She's an articulate and very bright lady. Her case is a proxy for the problems that exist with testing. The USA needs to do a much better job of testing. This far into the pandemic we should be further along.
[Edited on 8/8/2020 by MartinD28]
You never saw Who's the Boss with Tony Danza?
I don't have a TV, but I did see Tony Danza on Broadway a couple of times.
Our local casino/race track posted their best July ever in terms of dollars/credits played on the video lottery machines. I'm not sure what that says, but it says something.
Saturday, August 8, 2020 Staff
Hollywood Gaming Posts Best July Ever
AUSTINTOWN, Ohio – Despite the coronavirus pandemic, Hollywood Gaming Mahoning Valley Race Course posted its best July ever in terms of credits played on video lottery terminals.
In total, bettors played $115,900,340 last month, according to the Ohio Lottery Commission, narrowly edging out the July 2019 total of $115,702,015.
After being closed March 14 through June 19 because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Austintown racino reported $43.91 million in wagers in the 11 days of play June.
Winnings in July totaled $103,093,019 – a payout percentage of 90.26% – up slightly from last year’s figure of $102,961,741, a payout percentage of 90.64%.
Penn National Gaming Inc., which operates Hollywood Gaming, received $7.47 million, up from $7.16 million in July 2019.
The Ohio Lottery Commission’s take was $3.78 million, up from $3.63 million.
Of the seven VLT sites in Ohio, MGM Northfield was the No. 1 site with $196.16 million in wagers.
Our local casino/race track posted their best July ever in terms of dollars/credits played on the video lottery machines. I'm not sure what that says, but it says something.
I think it says people are worried about money and/or their jobs & for some, the lottery odds are better than of finding a replacement job for a while.
If people can protest "safely"...Why can we not attend sporting events and concerts ..."Safely"?
Because protesting is protected by the Constitution, watching a ball game in person is not.
Once again, you've conveniently hidden behind that old excuse of being protected by the Constitution. It is not the issue, never has been. Your hero Dr Fauci has stated on so many occasions that we've lost count that he recommends staying away from gatherings and crowds be they indoor or outdoor. The virus loves crowds. Do peaceful protests qualify as a gathering?
I would say they do.
I've got to admire your true spirit of the WP. Making a point and re making it endlessly.
I'll try again
No one said you should to protest. The media sites said if you are going to protest, this is how to reduce your risk - wear a mask, avoid tight spots, keep moving, keep distance etc.
No one charged admission for protests
As far as sporting events, MLB is a failure based upon the number of players infected. The NHL is doing it right.
Indoor gatherings are potentially dangerous - crows to get into the venue, go to the rest room, buy a dog or a beer.
Some venues in NE have been having concerts. The 1st drive in shows were in NH. They weren't name acts, but it was live music. I will be going to see Marcus King at a drive in over Labor Day weekend. It won't be the same as sitting (or standing) in a theater, but it will be live music.
There were fans at the New Hampshire NASCAR race last weekend. I don't know how many were there, but they were allowing up to 19,000 to attend. With that said, looked like a decent turn out all things considered.
It's local, as it should be. People close to their specific situations should determine what is and what is not ok.
I do get BigV's point. Such as breaking up a house party and arresting people, turning off utilities that are paid for because of hosting party? I'm for arresting out of hand protesters too, but people who are hosting people in their own house? I guess this is what we have in the era of covid. I just don't care enough to get really involved in the topic.
I've got to admire your true spirit of the WP. Making a point and re making it endlessly.
I'll try again
Try all you want or feel the need to, the welcome mat is out. I just find the hypocrisy to be just this side of hilarious. The same people standing behind the Constitution as a means of protecting those who choose to gather in huge crowds are the same ones screaming that the viral explosion is due to everyone not wearing masks and not following CDC guidelines. OK, I am assuming this means you want the virus to go away just like the rest of us?...Dr. Fauci and the CDC guidelines consistently preach that gatherings are not a good idea... but the left will counter with its being a Constitutionally protected activity. Got it. Now, how does the left feel about gun ownership?...Just another Constitutionally protected right, correct?...Well, kind of...you see, the left knows for a fact the the forefathers could not have possibly known that guns would evolve , so therefore, the left feels the Constitution is a good thing as long as it is applicable to their agenda and certain guns are very bad.
How about Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, pertaining to the Electoral College?. ..Well, according to the left that is outdated and unfair..Who gets to choose what parts of the U.S. Constitution are applicable, sure looks the whining left does. And when a Peaceful Protest turns into rioting, looting and burning?..No way could that violence be traced back to the Law abiding, Constitution respecting citizens..Those are the terrible people!....
They are the ones gathered in the streets who refused to wear masks!
The Constitution...just pick the parts that work for you!
By saying that protests are constitutionally protected doesn't mean that they were something safe to do.
And no one here was defending rioting and looting. We were defending the peaceful protesters, like this one
Not agreeing with the constitution is not the same as not abiding by it. IMO, the constitution should be amended, again.
When the constitution was written, the only people who could vote were white men. Slavery was allowed. Were the people that changed that hypocrites? What about the fact that the original constitution said that state legislators vote for electors for pres and senators, not the public? Disagreeing with some parts of the constitution and agreeing with others does not make one a hypocrite, IMO.
One of the principles this country was founded upon was the right to disagree with the government and protest peacefully. Rioting and looting are not protected, protesting peacefully is. I've not heard anyone saying rioting and looting is protected.
ymmv.
[Edited on 8/10/2020 by stormyrider]
If people can protest "safely"...Why can we not attend sporting events and concerts ..."Safely"?
Because protesting is protected by the Constitution, watching a ball game in person is not.
Once again, you've conveniently hidden behind that old excuse of being protected by the Constitution. It is not the issue, never has been. Your hero Dr Fauci has stated on so many occasions that we've lost count that he recommends staying away from gatherings and crowds be they indoor or outdoor. The virus loves crowds. Do peaceful protests qualify as a gathering? I would say they do.
You miss the point, once again you're are looking at this superficially. Protestors typically don't need municipal approval, people organize and gather, and if it's peaceful and safe, cops aren't likely going to throw a match on the situation and attempt to arrest hundreds of people who are exercising their rights. Currently many public squares or urban centers are not off limits, however, there are recommendations to stay away if you can. A ball game at a stadium has a lot more wheels in motion - needs approval, security, employees, there are shared facilities, etc. It's recreational, it's not a right. Just because people voiced their outrage at murder in public doesn't mean all other types of crowds magically get the green light. It's a false equivalency that ignores legal priority.
You miss the point
I have missed nothing; perhaps the solution for you is to just stop trying to justify your own hypocrisy.
